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You really aren’t to bright are you?
Again no shit they are using some of it. The stuff they are using then becomes canon but only for how it is done in the shows and movies and books created by Disney, not how it is done in the EU.
Also of course that’s what I’m using as canon because that’s what is canon, even on the shit you linked me too they have canon and then legends that you can select, clearly showing the two different versions of the Star Wars lore.
So yes force healing is canon now but only in what has been shown in the movies and tv show, not anything else.
No shit Sherlock but the only mention in the link YOU provided was about the books not the cartoon. It mentions the clone wars but that part of the description was talking about legends not canon.
Actually I am and I did know that but it has no relevance to the discussion at hand because EU is not canon.
Because that’s the stuff we are talking about you absolute Buffon. We aren’t talking about Star Wars force healing in the overall we are talking about it in regards to the Disney shows and the canonical Star Wars movies nothing more nothing less.
Step off your high horse there mate because nothing you have said has had any relevance to the discussion.
Force heal is a major ability, and it's not just rare, it literally has never been used before and there is no history for it until Rey and Ben use it. The only other time was in the clone war series when the essentially force gods transffered their life into Ashoka to bring her back to life, a being that was essentailly a god in regards to the force was needed to do what Rey and Ben did.
No if we follow my logic we will see how it's bad storytelling and bad movie making, there are plenty of movies I have seen where an out of no where power emerges and it makes a lot more sense and is done way better.
No it was pure deus ex machina. Never mentioned before, suddenly appearing out of no where, brings a dead character back all that jazz, pure deus ex machina.
Healing is a stretch because it has never been an established power outside of the games and legends canon, with the only time it appearing in the series prior was as I mentioned before, a freaking god of the force doing it.
It is true it is not a "if that is true" it bloody is you can google it and see it. So yes they have completely messed up their on premise of it potentially making some sense for Rey and Ben by them wanting to push it that it's a legit ability Jedi have and it's not special and that at the very least high level Jedis should be able to do it.
In some books yes but reading the synopis for those books it seems up in the air on if this was just Jedis who were healers aka doctors or if force heal was actually used. It's seeming more likely they were just doctors and didn't use the force to heal. Everything else was legends and other searches I have done don't mention these books as times force healing was used.
Those books and games aren’t canon.
In the canon series force healing is only just now appearing.
Force healing has been around for years but this is the first time it’s being used in a canon series. Doing so has created massive issues for the series and hurts the series a lot in terms of it not making one single bit of sense that this power has never been mentioned or seen until now in the canon series.
Also spoilers here for the mandorlorian.
But thanks to baby YODA we now know force healing is just a legit Jedi power. Rey didn’t do anything special. Baby YODA healed someone.
So Disney are legit now trying to make force healing a thing even though it flys in the face of years of Star Wars lore and damages not only past Star Wars movies and shows, but also their own Star Wars shows and movies.
Honestly it’s just easier to believe anything that is set after the OT is not canon and is just Disney’s version of the EU. So much of their stuff is making no sense with the Star Wars history.
The mandorlorian one makes it even worse.
At least the movies were trying to excuse it as a special thing between Rey and Ben.
Thanks to Baby YODA it’s now established it as just a legit force power that no other Jedis have ever done before.... because reasons.
Force healing never should have been introduced.
I agree with the other guy commenting.
You are making massive leaps here to try and justify something that can’t be justified.
Force heal suddenly appearing like it did, makes no sense and is very much a dues ex Machima that really damages the entire Star Wars series.
There have been plenty of characters that were way closer than Rey and Ben. Obi wan and Anakin, Ashoka and anakin, Qui Gon and obi wan, Luke and Vader. And many other masters and their padawans. Not to mention thanks to the Mandorlorian we now also know that there doesn’t even need to be a deep bond to do force healing. So that whole reasoning is now out the window.
Bringing force healing into this just completely damages the series. Hell we saw so many war time injuries thanks to the clone wars series that should have been healed thanks to force healing.
Why as peacekeepers of the galaxy didn’t the Jedi have force healing specialists?
Its all just a bloody mess now and just shows even more how rushed and damage control and not thought out this movie was.
Ok weirdo
Oh look it’s your other account. How lame.
Nah your family friends and you are lying to yourself. All my friends family myself strangers and people not yet born have agreed it’s a boring non-fun movie.
Nope it definitely wasn't
Except its not FUN. I've seen plenty of FUN mindless dumb movies, transformers, fast and furious series, freaking sharknado. So many actual fun dumb movies. This is not fun, it's horrible. There is little action, what action there is doesn't make much sense and is really hard to follow, the storyline is piss poor, the characters are one dimensional and overall it's just not good. The people highly rating it likely barely watched the movie and had it on as background noise and saw the few moments of action and thought of yay explosions.
This defence is a weak one and this isn't about a movie being fun, it's about a movie being boring, crappy and not making a lick of sense if for a Michael bay movie. The only ones with any sticks up their ass are the people desperately defending it going "Oh but it's a fun movie" it's about as much fun as having a root canal and a colonoscopy at the same time.
Yeah it was defs an all over the place movie that did not care for continuity at all.
It really is that bad.
3/10
I know right?!?!?
Such basic stuff and yet couldn’t even get that right.
I should have stopped watching at that point as well. But I had hope it would get better. Spoiler it doesn’t.
Yeah it’s completely stupid.
It honestly makes no sense and considering how highly trained he is, there should have been massive red flags that all this evidence was so easily found like he’s some rank amateur.
The dark web folder is really the only thing I can believe someone of his skill set would make a mistake on. Everything else was so obviously pointing to mike that it should have been like ah hey why is this so easy. Throw in the last two movies events and they should be thinking “yeah what makes more sense, that someone is playing us to chase the wrong leads and destabilise us by going after one of our top people, or the most heroic person out of all of us who has saved the president twice who is in line to be director Decided that he would throw it all away and kill the president for $10mil and almost get himself killed too.
Just it’s really badly done. Even trying to make it seem the medical stuff is a potential reason, it’s like he would still get decent money and retire and potentially go into the private sector and make shitloads in a desk job if money really was an issue.
Very dumb.
They easily could have replaced him as this movie is set many years later and it's been done in shitloads of other movies.
Or they simply make it that they take a page from T3 and have it so John stayed under the radar and went into hiding, especially after everything that happened in T2.
His mum splits from him because she never feels the battle will be over, and lets her name pop up every now and then so if anything does come back, she potentially gets targeted rather than john.
She keeps her ear to the ground though about any information and thats how she gets involved in this movie. She hears about stuff going down and sounds like another terminator so she goes after it.
If they want Arnold to be a part of it, he's Johns personal bodyguard from the future that has been with him for years and is the only one of his kind, he is sent back to help protect the new leader of this new resistance that is fighting against the new version of skynet as the future changed enough that John is like a 2nd in command or specilist or something.
John doesn't need to stay being the leader, he was the big threat to Skynet. Skynet lost. So someone else could be the new head for the next resistance that is fighting against this different threat.
Agreed and it's how a lot of people are viewing it. With some maybe accepting T3 as well but most have just accepted that T1 and T2 are the sole terminator movies in the canon terminator timeline. With everything else being Alternate timelines.
Never said it was canon, and after dark fate was annouced as the true sequal to T2 a lot of people don't consider it canon.
My point was how a lot of fans who would have seen that movie and seen John corrupted into the very thing he fought against, would have been numb to John dying in this one.
Had this been the only other terminator movie, then I imagine there would have been loads more outrage, I know there has been some though.