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He did help write TFA. I thought it was the best star wars since ROTJ maybe even ESB but hey just me.
Great find again!
So just skimming through this the public draft (I'm assuming the production draft) is miles ahead of what Brackett had.
The only problem is we don't have any indication who wrote what... All we do know is what Brackett turned into Lucas... It's kinda convoluted who did what after that. But I guess that's how this process works probably lots of notes back and fourth input from Lucas Kasdan Kershner if not more people maybe even Marsha Lucas.
After seeing the prequels I have a hard time believing the Fourth Draft is primarily Lucas's work.
Fourth Draft and Public Draft are pretty much the same for the most part.
I don't know I find it hard to believe JJ asked for Kasdan's help on TFA(especially Han Solo's dialogue) if it wasn't publicly if not business insider info that Kasdan was heavily influential in ESB and ROTJ.
1. Whether the words are from book or movie it doesn't make them any better or worse and if they are good movies because of great dialogue taken from a book whats the difference?
2. Not trying to discredit anybody Star Wars would never be if it wasn't Lucas and certainly ESB wouldn't be as good without Kershner. Many talented and hardworking people had an impact on Star Wars. I'm just trying to say Kasdan's script additions also lift the movies' quality and the lines from ESB and ROTJ are what makes those movies on top of everything else great.
That's why I have hope for Han. Howard is a talented experienced director and Kasdan is an excellent screenplay writer... So there's a lot of potential.
Good find!
Like I said Brackett laid the story framework but Kasdan's dialogue changes really up the quality IMO.
Okay, cool cool. But your comment insinuated that having Kasdan on board wouldn't help because he was also involved in TLJ(which he wasn't) and TFA.
1. Han is treated with disrespect
-I disagree I thought his character was well used with great dialogue (That's not how the force works! It's true, the force, the Jedi, all of it) and I along with many others thought it was the best we have seen from him since ESB. Personally found Han to be much better handled than they even did with ROTJ
2. Villains were unintimidating.
- Again disagree. I found Kylo, Hux, and Snoke to be very interesting new characters worth exploring. I thought Kylo was a great complex villain with a past we wanted to know more about, his relationship with Snoke and Hux, and why he speaks with Vader's mask, the spin of a strong light side character trying so hard to turn to the Dark.
3. Heroes were shallow with no motivation.
- I think it's perfectly clear Fin's motivation is to get away from the first order and will do anything to accomplish that and that's how he gets started on this adventure. Poe's motivation is to get BB-8 so they can get the map that leads to Luke all while fighter the first order as part of the resistance. Rey is brought along on this similar to how Luke was... it found her. Journey is to find out who she is and what her purpose is a theme everybody shares in life.
4. Subplots that went nowhere.
-And these are?
5. Action sequences were forgetful
- Personally I don't think you could say Rey and Kylo's duel is forgetful. The Falcon scene on Jakku is one of the best action scenes to date with ground breaking effects. The scene made the Falcon feel like a real thing, a spaceship interacting with it's environment pretty cool stuff that I don't believe has been done in live action.
Everything is subjective and if you don't like TFA that's fine I won't try to change your mind. However, I think strong arguments can be made for it's qualities and Kasdan's positive contribution.
I agree the trailer failed to impress me as well... but i'm still holding out hope. Word has it they rushed frantically to get a trailer ready for the Superbowl. I'm hoping this was just the best they could throw together due to all the reboots and extended post production.
I remember the very first trailer for TFA gave me a terrible feeling... but then a well organized trailer in post production blew me away... So here's hoping it happens again.
Care to share why you feel that way about TFA? Or why specifically Kasdan is to blame?
I mean there's no doubt, Lucas is a Genius! As far as creativity and world building goes Lucas is your man. However, I think there's easily an argument made that Kasdan's screenplay greatly improves the universe and ESB ROTJ and even TFA wouldn't be the movies they are if it weren't for him. I would harshly disagree that dialogue IE the words people say in a movie can't make a movie great. How many times are direct quotes from good movies pulled?? I believe most great movies are reference directly by lines involved including classics such as Gone with the Wind, The God Father, Wizard of Oz.
My whole argument is that Solo stands a good chance of being good simply because he is involved and I personally view( and I believe the majority would agree) the episodes with his contribution to be better than the ones without. Your statement was that he didn't have a large impact on those movies but you have failed show any evidence that would support your statement.
Well I would say that the dialogue especially Han's and Vader's in ESB is what makes it great. So I would give most of the credit for how ESB along with ROTJ turned to Kasdan. I think that disproves your point about Kasdan having very little impact and being a 3rd round writer for those movies.
Also, the idea to rehash a New Hope came as a direct order from Disney as they wanted a "Retro Movie" as JJ KK and even Lucas testified. JJ specifically asked Kasdan to help him write the screen play for the Force awakens and JJ himself gave all of the credit for Han's lines to Kasdan.
Regardless of anything else I see Genius in Kasdan's writing and can clearly pick-out his contributions in ESB ROTJ and TFA. That's why I have hope Solo will turn out well.
I was always under the impression Lucas was unhappy with Brackett's script and that's why Kasdan was brought on to rework it. From my understanding Brackett did provide the basic structure of the story and the big events but the dialog its self primarily Han and Vader's lines were the work of Kasdan.
here's a link that sheds some light on Brackett's contribution.
[url]http://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/star-wars/251045/star-wars-leigh-brackett-and-the-empire-strikes-back-you-never-saw[/url]
As for Return of the Jedi again I'm under the impression that Kasdan wrote the meat of screenplay alongside Lucas. IF you have info that says otherwise please feel free to share.
That's incorrect. Kasdan did not assist with The Last Jedi and was not given any writing credit. The only credit for writing for TLJ was Rian Johnson and George Lucas for use of created characters. But nice try.
Also you can see Kasdan's mark on TFA there is some great character development and humorous lines in TFA.
I mean from my perspective there is nothing surprising about this movie besides the postive reviews and enourmous box office.
It gave us what it said it would. The rock being an action hero and Kevin Hart telling jokes. That along with a hollow story, rehashed themes, and shoddy action sets with cheap CGI.
Glad to see other people appreciated this! I had such low buzz on its release from my perspective. I saw it advertised once and then never heard of it again until it video release. After seeing it I'm very surprised it wasn't talked buzzed about more.
Okay, so nobody can explain what's so great about it?? I think that's clear proof that it's not all that great.
Oh yeah, I watched all the way to the end and wished I hadn't lol. I just don't understand the hype of how this movie is sooo good. I mean it's okay I'd give it 6/10 but people are raving about as if it was the best sci-fi of the decade. Everybody I talk to in person found it boring at best as well.
Is there anything about it that makes it a 10/10 movie that I'm missing? I just want a perspective that felt it's one of the best movies in the last 10 years.
I Doubt 300M. The spinoff movies were reportedly given 175M per film with three films announced. Rogue one had extensive reshoots and came in with a reported 200M.
I would say on the high-end Solo will probably have a reported 250M which means it will need 250M domestically and 500-700 worldwide to be a financial success based on other blockbusters. I don't see any reason unless it's terrible that it should gross less than 1B worldwide and bare minimum 300M domestically.
I personally loved Prometheus.
I could write for days on the positive qualities it has. But I'll be brief and just say that I was intrigued by the story and the mysterious sci-fi direction it took. I loved the characters especially Shaw and David and was very invested in their story. I'll also say much of the hate that Pro gets is from Aliens fans who were expecting an Alien movie... but in all fairness, they stated early on that it was more of a stand-alone movie set in the same universe than a prequel.
I know many people don't like lost but I personally loved that show and if it hadn't been for taking a chance on it on Netflix I probably would have never watch breaking bad or game of thrones which are some of my favorite shows and content in general. Before that, I was never a TV person. I see the same imprint on Prometheus that I enjoyed with lost I was always on the edge of my seat thinking what's next what's behind the door what is David going to do what's the black gu.
I loved Prometheus so much I had to see Covenant opening weekend..... And it was nothing, not even close to Prometheus... it was garbage, stupid, pointless, and uninteresting. I left Prometheus with so much enthusiasm and questions. I left Cov. with nothing but disappointment and grief that they messed up so bad.
Prometheus 9/10
Covenant 3/10 1 point for David 1 point for Walter and 1 point for great visuals.
I also find it strange that I felt that same about Prometheus and covenant as I do with The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi... Both had creators of Lost involved in the first installment and didn't follow up with it. Just thoughts.
You're right Luke is clearly shown unable to understand R2 as he either has 3PO translate or his x-wing digital readout. He is at best able to get the general idea of what R2 is saying while on their own.
However, I would argue Luke and R2 spent a lot of time together post ROTJ and in those years I don't think it would be a stretch to say he was able to pick up the langue to a degree that is suitable to hold a conversation without 3P0.
The overuse of CGI is definitely an issue. Lucas got old and lazy. He wanted to sit in his office and make his movies on a computer screen. He didn't want to build sets anymore and he didn't want to travel all over the world with a blockbuster size cast and crew.
The CGI and magnitude that is used was groundbreaking for the early 00's. However, I don't think Lucas realized how dated and cartoony it would look in the years to come or maybe he did and just shrugged it off as being dated is unavoidable. He also probably didn't think practical effects would make a return to popularity. We also have to remember in Lucas's experience the movies are made in post so many changes there so he probably said screw it lets makes the whole movie in post.
CGI is supposed to be a tool that can be used in filmmaking(like it is in JP starship troopers dragon heart) ... not a crutch like the prequels, hobbit, and 50%-75% of the movies made from 2000-2015.
Like most people say if Lucas had found a young hungry director for episode 2 and 3. Somebody who was willing be a diligent hardworking maniac in an effort to leave their mark. Along with a sharp writer to help him on the script side the prequels may have possibly rivaled the sequels.
I would say he doesn't miss the amount of work and stress associated with running the company.
However, I would argue that he misses the filmmaking process and having control over his creation dearly. He related his experience to a break up so you know it has hit him hard perhaps harder than he expected.
I just read he visited the set of Han Solo and stayed for 5 hours helping out with a scene they were shooting. He originally offered his service as a creative consultant and the drafts for several movies including the sequel trilogy. I think he was hoping Disney was going to ask him his opinions on this and that more often. He was probably under an impression he was going to be involved distantly but still have a large creative mark. Once they threw out his drafts he realized they were not going to make the movies he wants and they were not going to ask him for help.