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So Star Wars is suppose to be about cartoon villains, forced comedy, a story that purposefully goes nowhere, and milking sea cows?
I personally have no issues with Kennedy. I think she is doing the best she can. Making good Star Wars movies is the toughest thing imaginable even Lucas himself couldn't pull it off. JJ as well did an amazing job with TFA. That was a suicide mission and he actually pulled it off. Something Spielberg couldn't do with Indiana Jones.
Rian Johnson on the other hand. Needs to stay away from all things Star Wars from now on. That dude is a miserable piece of crap and purposefully made the first truly bad star wars movie that couldn't be enjoyed by anybody other than 15 year old Marvel fans.
Please... JJ was begged to do the first movie and I'm sure he was begged to do the next one. They should have just stuck with him the whole way through.
Not true. Writing can age as well. Movies that were a product of their time such as the Net and you got mail have aged terrible and they don't have any CGI. Those scrips are so dated and relied on tech at the time to carry their movie. Even tho written reasonably well at the time they are cringe worthy today.
I get where you are coming from tho.
Yeah TLJ was not ESB 2.0. It didn't have walkers in it. It didn't have a Dagobah dark-side scene. It didn't have a super star destroyer overshadow the whole fleet. It didn't have the antagonist ask the protagonist to join them and rule the galaxy together. Yeah it wasn't like ESB at all.
This movie is like ESB if instead of Vader being Lukes Father which is the greatest revel of all time, Vader gets shot in the head by Han because he wasn't looking when Han pulled his blaster and fired on him.
This movie is like ESB if the walkers just show up on Hoth and don't actually shot anything.
This movie is like ESB if instead of Luke training with Yoda, Yoda decides to milk a sea cow instead.
This movie is like ESB if instead of Han and Leia having a romance that lead to the "I know line" they have a corny cringe worthy "Don't fight what you hate, save what you love" moment. Oh and Han and Leia met 6 hours ago during the Hoth evacuation.
This movie is like ESB if the Imperial fleet commanders were cartoon villains made for 5-10 yearolds.
I could go on....
Trust me about 3/4 of the star wars fans feel the same as you do. I can't believe the script for this was ever approved. Kennedy placed way too much faith in Johnson.
Overall the movie is a turd with genius sprinkled and I do mean sprinkled in.. but it's like it was intentionally a turd they made these choices deliberately. I just don't get it. With the prequels there were huge problems but you could tell Lucas and Lucas film were trying to make good movies. This movie is like Rian Johnson playing a sick joke on the star wars community. He is clearing skilled at least at directing yet he is purposefully making these terrible decisions with the plot and script.
You have this story and set up in a way that you could have done anything with it yet you chose to consistently take the worse possible direction as if you are intentionally steering at ship towards an iceberg. Then you try to call it new, fresh, and unpredictable. Yeah, it's unpredictable cause nobody in their right mind would do these things... That's not a complement.
Yeah I would love to hear what JJ actually thinks of what Johnson did.
JJ: Hey Rian good luck with the next movie! I tried really hard set up some pretty interesting stuff. There's a lot of questions and buzz going around about who these new characters are. Can't wait to see where you go with it! That cliffhanger with Luke holding the light saber! What do you think he is going to say?
RJ: Oh yeah, for sure. Actually I was thinking he wouldn't say anything maybe just throw it over his shoulder. Like eh whatever.
JJ: Umm yeah I guess you could spin that. What about Snoke where do you think he is from?
RJ: Hmmm.. I'm probably going to kill him off. That will be soo unexpected. Also I'm thinking of showing some scenes with fake funny looking birds and fish people on Luke's island. Also wouldn't it be cool to see Luke milk some alien creature and drink it?
JJ: Okay, cool I guess. What kind of major battles are you going to set up. I know with TFA I really didn't have a good spot for an intense epic space battle like Endor. What are your thoughts there?
RJ: Oh i got this great idea! Snokes ship is actually like 100 times bigger than all the other space cruisers and the rebels are going to be running away from it the whole movie. Then I've got this wicked cool idea about a hyperspace bullet!
JJ: Wow yeah I really didn't expect anything like that.
RJ: I know everybody is going to be so confused and wowed by this movie. Everything is going to be unexpected.. a real thrill ride!
JJ: Okay cool good luck looking forward to seeing it! I can't wait for this meeting with Colin to see how he's going to tie it all up. Oh shoot Kathleen is calling me I gotta go.
Amen brother! I'm reminded of how great the opening dialogue is between Vader and his captains and admirals in the ESB. Then I go to what has been teased to be the darkest of the franchise and I get Poe and Hux having something that looks like it's out of a Marvel movie made for 15 year olds. I can't believe Kennedy and Lucas Film let this get to the final cut. It so out of place for a star wars movie. I get that's Poe's character but for heaven sakes are we really suppose to believe that Hux would go along with that nonsense he is a General in the Empire( I mean first order) he wouldn't have lasted as a janitor in the in original trilogy navy.
Makes me wonder how stupid and goofy the Han Solo movie was that Lord and Miller were making that they got fired.
I don't know. Those dinosaurs from the original JP still look pretty real to me and it's over 20 years old. CGI isn't going anywhere shoot it's really not even getting better. CGI from the 90's looks just as good as what is coming out today. The only difference is it took a lot longer back then. Dragon Heart, Star ship troopers and JP all took years of post to finish their CGI and they preplanned everything around their CGI shots. Today they kick out 20 times as much in 6 months.
But yes you are right Dialogue is king and far more important. I always say if a movie isn't quotable it couldn't have been very good.
Snoke's Death was far more disappointing! There was so much purposely placed mystery surrounding Snoke. He was an interesting character that many wanted to know more about and he was killed off purposefully premature and in a cheap manor non the less. All simply because Johnson had no idea what to do with an open ended mystery character.
Darth Maul while really cool and fun to watch had nothing really interesting to add to the plot. He was introduced as an agent of muscle caring out deeds for his master. Darth Maul got the duel of fates which is one of the best action scenes off all time while Snoke got a cheap anticlimactic slice. We never got to see what his power entailed while we saw all everthing Maul had to offer.
I could go on forever on how stupid Snokes death was while at the same time how awesome Maul's whole scene including his death is. The thing that kills me the most is the fact Maul was set up to die in the first movie, he was never meant to be anything more. While Snoke was clearly set up to be a character that was going to be fleshed out.