just received an imdb newsletter and saw the poster featured.
That universe was softly ruined by Bethesda and I can't wait for this show to be a (final?) nail in its coffin.
and thanks to the creator of this site (moviechat) for still keeping this up. thank you and +1 for the good old times on imdb boards.
It's difficult to create art and so easy to tear it down. Bethesda has put out some great art that has given myself and many others hours of fun!
shareused to be good - then it became a legit corporation
From what I gather, CD project red is on the same path - they even released a DEI hiring video very recently - and you know where that goes :)
When I saw Bethesda in the opening credits I thought fuck here we go, and yes, I didn't have to wait long for the woke shite to appear! I got as far as the part where the confused man, or was it a woman! helped the black guy up off his arse after he took a beating from others in the military camp, and I just sighed.
Fuck is there no end to this fucking woke crap?!!!!!
Suffice to say, I pressed the stop button because that was my lot with that shite.
Oh you poor bigot. How dare anyone challenge your long held views?!
This is a TRAVESTY!! A travesty I tell you! It's almost as bad as that butch chick in Aliens! How dare they confuse us, yet again, with a butch woman.
So sick of this shit, next thing you know they will make us watch women as leaders instead of having them show us their tits!
the butch chick was not a main character.
back then they knew the movie would fail if that was the case.
What are you talking about she wasn't a main character? That's stupid. Of course she was, just as much of a main character as the butch 'chick' was in this show. Jesus, she was in like one episode.
sharetoo bad you wont let yourself enjoy it , well at least you can write some "angry white man with persecution complex" posts while the rest of us do
shareoh dear...
shareWhite people aren’t the only ones tired of woke slop, and “persecution complex” is more of a leftist thing.
shareSo far it's little more than "female lead don't like female leads" nevermind that in all of the games you could be a female lead.
shareThere’s having female leads, and then there’s being misandrist. People have a problem with the latter, among other problems plaguing the show.
shareHow... is this being misandrist?
shareI’ll have to see for myself, but considering Hollywood’s track record the last several years, I don’t blame people for being cautious.
sharePretty sure you're just out of touch with modern TV
shareUnless things have improved and writers rediscovered common sense, I doubt I’ve missed much with modern western tv.
shareHere's some TV shows:
Warrior, Dark, Chernobyl, The Expanse, For All Mankind, Foundation, The Last of Us, Reacher, The Bear, Succession, Severance, Better Call Saul, Mare of Easttown, Andor, One Piece, Dahmer: Monster, Beef, Silo, Good Omens, The Terminal List, Black Bird, What We Do in the Shadows, Maid, Unorthodox, Raised by Wolves, Yellowjackets, Dopesick, The Gentleman, Slow Horses, The Diplomat, Shogun, The Great, Devs, Tokyo Voice, Babylon Berlin, Gangs of London, The Gilded Age, Masters of the Air, Bad Sisters, Evil
How many of these have you seen?
Still listing The Last of Us, dude? And last time you dumped your list on me, you included Watchmen too, both of which make me question your awareness of the situation.
But you’ve got some good ones in there, so at least your taste isn’t totally shot.
Yes, TLOU is a highly rated TV show. Also I haven't watched all of those shows. It's not a list of my personal favourites. But they are all highly rated TV shows.
How many of those have you watched?
>But you’ve got some good ones in there, so at least your taste isn’t totally shot.
You know nothing about my taste.
I’ve seen quite a few of the shows you name-dumped, as for those I didn’t watch, they simply don’t appeal to me. Even if they’re not woke, I currently have no desire to watch them.
Not everything is made for me, and that’s fine.
But the shows and movies that do appeal to me, which consists of various genres, have gone woke, and that’s why me, and many others, are calling Hollywood out before it spreads any further than it already has.
>I’ve seen quite a few of the shows you name-dumped, as for those I didn’t watch, they simply don’t appeal to me. Even if they’re not woke, I currently have no desire to watch them.
What ones have you seen?
Sure. But I don't watch lots of shows either because the synopsis does not appeal to me. But pretending that they suck, and that all modern media sucks because of my preferences isn't smart.
>But the shows and movies that do appeal to me, which consists of various genres, have gone woke, and that’s why me, and many others, are calling Hollywood out before it spreads any further than it already has.
And what "shows and movies" specifically, in terms of style, appeals to you?
Sci-fi, fantasy, action, horror, romance, comedy. Like I said, various genres. A lot of western shows have been infected. It’s good that there’s a sizable selection that’s not, and while I wish them all the best, as I said before, not all of them appeal to me.
shareSci-Fi: Silo, Foundation, The Expanse, For All Mankind, The Last of Us, Severance, Andor, Raised by Wolves, 3 Body Problem, Star Trek: Strange New Worlds, Devs, Twisted Metal, Years and Years, Constellation, The Lazarus Project
You speak of fantasy and sci-fi (focusing on them) as if there was some magical period of time before 'woke' where they were mostly all good. Fantasy shows, especially high fantasy have always mostly been outrageous failures and full of nonsense. For every Farscape and Battlestar Galactica, there was nonsense like Cleopatra 2525 and Andromeda.
Star Trek STD is universally bad.
My condolences if you sat through Cleopatra and Andromeda.
Back then we had Doctor Who, TNG and Deep Space 9, X-Files, and Stargate, among other shows.
>Star Trek STD is universally bad.
It does not have that reputation at all.
And the others I listed?
>My condolences if you sat through Cleopatra and Andromeda.
I didn't. But that there was plenty of trash in those days.
>Back then we had Doctor Who, TNG and Deep Space 9, X-Files, and Stargate, among other shows.
And we have had, in the last 10 years: The Expanse, Dark, Severance, Altered Carbon (S01 was great, and arguably stand-alone), Andor, Foundation, For All Mankind, The Orville, 12 Monkeys, 3 Body Problem (shaping up to a positive response), Silo
Or by "sci-fi" are you specifically referring to space shows?
How many of those shows did you watch? Since you admitted that you don’t actually watch all the shows you name-dump, it certainly explains a lot.
share>How many of those shows did you watch?
From that sci-fi list I have watched The Expanse, Severance, Altered Carbon, Foundation, 3 Body Problem (am watching), Silo, Dark.
They're all highly rated anyway. Which is why I listed them.
Don't waste your time. Skavau, moviechatterer, Kowalski, etc., are all socks of our resident woke troll.
shareWho is the "resident woke troll" you're referring to?
Are you of the opinion that literally every single person who disagrees with you are all the same person using alts?
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shareI only use this account, dude. Your argument is delusional conspiracy garbage.
shareSure, ma'am...🍆🍆🍆
shareSo no arguments. Have you watched any of the shows I referred to?
shareThank god, no. Just discuss them with your🧦.
shareWhere is your evidence that the other accounts are my alternatives?
shareI've known you for years, and this ain't court. Now run along, little missy, I wasn't even talking to you.
shareI've only been on moviechat for a year.
So you have no evidence and are just hurling baseless accusations.
D-feet, I know your entire schedule by now, you are THAT obvious.
Anyway, you got enough of my attention to get through the rest of the day. Sweet Dreams!😪
D-feet? I'm not that user, if you are referring to them. I think I have seen them around.
Do you just assume every person who you identify as left-wing on here is the same person?
"I think I have seen them around."
I admit that's kind of funny.👍
So me noting that I have seen the user you're accusing me of being is somehow an implication of guilt?
Do you just assume every person who you identify as left-wing on here is the same person?
So you saw him recently, huh? ??Probably in the bathroom mirror when you were taking a shit.
Come on, you silly goose, who do you think you are kidding?
If you feel like arguing, just go reply to one of your right wing troll accounts again. Have a nice day!🖐
What? I've seen the name on here, as I have many names. I recall nothing else.
>If you feel like arguing, just go reply to one of your right wing troll accounts again. Have a nice day!🖐
What right-wing troll accounts in particular might you be referring to?
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Well handled, Stratego 👍🏻
shareDid you genuinely rely to a 5 month old comment chain? You really are utterly obsessed with me.
I repeat my point that you honestly, truly, have mental health issues and that I really seem to live in your head rent-free.
And what is it you think is "nice-work" here? Someone calling me "D-feet" is impressive is it?
Cool story!
shareooh a new word , thanks .
misandrist
/mɪˈsandrɪst/
noun
a person who dislikes, despises, or is strongly prejudiced against men.
"the counterpart to a misogynist is a misandrist"
So I'm guessing that you think this show is the height of, um, misandrist is nous , because there is a female in a role that could have been played by a male?
(the horror!)
Two out of the three main characters are men. One of which is Walter Goggins, who's so naturally charismatic that even when he's playing an unapologetic racist, he still my favorite character.
So is this show misandrist?
Oh bullshit. Most of the people complaining about woke shit have a problem with women being leads.
Could you give an example of what you consider misandrist in recent films? Maybe you'll change my mind about these whiners.
Star Wars and Indiana Jones are the two most prominent examples of misandry.
No one has a problem with female leads, we grew up with them after all. There’s a right way and a wrong way to do it, the former being Buffy Summers and Xena (among others), and the latter being Rey Palpatine and Captain Marvel.
So you are just going to throw two movies out there with no context whatsoever to what you are talking about?
lol
Okay man 🙄
Then you bring up Rey Palpatine and Captain Marvel with NO examples. You are making yourself look really foolish.
You asked for one, I generously gave you two. The first two are free, the rest you gotta look up yourself.
As for details, if you really don’t know what’s been going on in western entertainment, then you’ve been living under a rock.
You are just embarrassing yourself now.
shareHOW LONG DO YOU GUYS THINK YOU CAN KEEP THIS EMBARRASSING WHINING GOING?
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Rockaway knows he's wrong and therefore has no comeback.
I wonder how the wokels would react if every minority male was one or more of the following
-evil
-stupid
-cowardly
-hideously deformed
-weak
-annoying
-clownish
-morally corrupt
-fat
-decrepit
I am betting they would call this "racist, bigoted, nazi propaganda that should be boycotted, cancelled, and expunged from existence".
Nope, the show looks like shit. In the recent trailer, people have brand new glasses, and everything is clean looking, the scene where the BOS in power armour was being dragged around by a Yao guai was enough for me.
shareYOU SEEM SAD.
shareEpisode ratings on Imdb are high 8.X. A few 1* reviews.
share76.7% of the reviews for episode one (at this time) are 10/10. Perfect. 10/10 would make it one of the best TV shows of all time. If you don't think there's something suspect about 76% of the reviews being 10/10 then there is something wrong with you.
sharecommon sense, logic, reason, and facts are being bred out of modern people, sadly
shareIf it ain't white (male), it ain't right?
shareOP here. so surprisingly I watched the entire thing. I don't think this would've worked with a male lead. You had two or three somewhat dimwits male in that show. Her raider future husband, all looks no brains (potential lead for a male dweller); her brother, brain but.. well you know; and her brother's bestie, the tall dummy.
In either case, the last scene with the ghoul and Goosy made me realize this needed to be a woman otherwise this would've had a different tone. Well, the closest to it would probably be Luke Skywalker.
If it ain’t black (or female), take it back?
shareMale and Pale is a winning combination, in entertainment and reality.
shareMaybe don't judge all modern content by what succeeds in the marvel capeslop universe.
Fallout did very well viewing wise.
I haven't watched a Marvel film since Winter Soldier, which I was surprised to not hate.
shareOkay. Fallout still did well and got renewed.
shareI never said anything otherwise.
It has quite a bit of woke BS in it, but that is standard now.
Weird how the wokels demanded "equal representation" but they already had it in the 90s. Now, 13% of the population has ~40% of roles.
There is a very obvious political agenda afoot.
It doesn't ruin a show by default, but it detracts from what it could be.
Just write a good show. Stop trying to check all the DEI woke boxes. This show could have been good/great, but the woke crap, the bizarre constantly shifting tone, and inconsistencies/goofs/lazy writing make it okay instead of good/great.
>It has quite a bit of woke BS in it, but that is standard now.
Which is what exactly? What "woke BS" does it have?
>Weird how the wokels demanded "equal representation" but they already had it in the 90s. Now, 13% of the population has ~40% of roles.
Where is your data for this claim?
>Just write a good show. Stop trying to check all the DEI woke boxes. This show could have been good/great, but the woke crap, the bizarre constantly shifting tone, and inconsistencies/goofs/lazy writing make it okay instead of good/great.
There are plenty of good shows.
I wonder how the wokels would react if every minority male was one or more of the following
-evil
-stupid
-cowardly
-hideously deformed
-weak
-annoying
-clownish
-morally corrupt
-fat
-decrepit
I am betting they would call this "racist, bigoted, nazi propaganda that should be boycotted, cancelled, and expunged from existence".
You really need to watch more TV shows if you think every single white male is portrayed as all of those things.
shareHoly fuck you are dense as lead.
I am talking about THIS SHOW.
You are astonishingly retarded.
I feel sorry for your mother.
>I wonder how the wokels would react if every minority male was one or more of the following
There's two minorities in this show of note: Maximus and Barb. Maximus is an idiot savant who clearly has stunted moral and social development. Barb is an evil suit organising the terror Vaults.
Oh, and Betty who is clearly implicated in the Vault-conspiracy with Lucy's father, Hank.
Keep proving me correct.
Good job so far.
And how did mentioning the main 3 black characters, all of whom are flawed (and two of whom are villains) somehow prove your point at all? You claimed that white people in Fallout are specifically written as flawed in a way that the black characters are not.
shareI am well aware you have no idea what is going on.
Keep going.
You are making salient points(from my POV).
So you're literally just down to "NO U" and "anything u say means I win" childish retort mentality. Your initial claim was that all the white men in Fallout, specifically are characterised with a lot of flaws in a way that black people in the setting are not. The counter-point to that is that almost everyone in Fallout is written with flaws. No-one is heroic. Except Lucy (the Lone Wanderer parallel). You don't understand the Fallout universe.
shareYou are "down to" making my point for me due to your own mental incompetence.
It is extremely entertaining.
Please, go on.
Just a heads up LA Baker. If you’re caught noticing the obvious wokification of modern entertainment the Skavau-bot gets activated and goes on a gaslighting mission to convince you there’s-nothing-to-see-here.
His basic bitch bag of rhetorical tricks include relentlessly asking stupid questions to make you run around finding evidence to prove the patently obvious until you get exhausted, and constant straw-manning of your position.
Just in case you were in danger of taking him seriously (but it looks like you’re already onto his lame routine 👍🏻)
And you're back to devoting your entire life, your reason to existing to stalking me. Do you have a picture of my profile up in my room that you throw darts at?
Tell me, have you actually watched Fallout? Do you know anything whatsoever about this series?
Do you have a picture of my profile up in my room that you throw darts at?
My profile, not me. Like a screenshot of my profile page that you've printed off.
Have you actually watched Fallout?
Let’s try again, why would someone have a picture of you… in your room?
shareOh. I meant your room. Mistake.
It should read: "Do you have a picture of my profile up in /your/ room that you throw darts at?"
And have you actually watched Fallout?
Oh. I meant your room. Mistake.
To return to this, are you implying that every single white person in Fallout has some of those characteristics, and that the black characters in Fallout are somehow portrayed as flawless? Despite this clearly not being the case at all?
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I AM NOT A GAMER...I HAVE NEVER PLAYED FALLOUT...BUT I AM VERY AWARE OF THE FRANCHISE...I AM CURRENTLY A COUPLE EPISODES IN AND I THINK IT'S PRETTY DAMN GOOD.
shareThat's no endorsement, you like everything.
Let's see how that changes your overall movie ratings for the next few days.
Do you like woke slop, though?
shareI DO NOT BELIEVE IN IT...THE EASTER BUNNY NEVER RAPES ME EITHER.
shareSeems something is going on when you have this constant raceswapping of white characters going on, including characters where it makes absolutely no sense for them not to be white. Historical characters. And then there's things like Harrison Ford ending his run as Indiana Jones getting talked down to and finally punched out by skinny little Phoebe Waller-Bridge.
A message being sent. Certain views being pushed a lot.
RACE SWAPPING IS JUST A WINDMILL TO FIGHT...PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE...SKIN COLOR IS JUST THAT..THE COLOR OF THE SKIN...ALL EASTER BUNNIES,MY FRIEND.
shareBut skin color sure does mean something if it's a non white character, no? Suddenly there's no "blind casting". You know they were only look at black actors when they were casting "the Woman King". Race mattered then, you know.
The same people making the points you are would be howling about racism if they race swapped even a minor non white character in a part where the race didn't matter much. So people feel like it's gaslighting.
ALL MAKE BELIEVE.
shareGaslighting. In recent years I've only heard of one person of color getting raceswapped to a white actor, and he was the man who raped the writer the Lovely Bones. So a rapist.
The movie got cancelled, though. It turns out Alice Sebold accused the wrong man and the hair matching methods they used during the trial were pseudoscience.
OOOH...NICE AND SHINY BUZZWORD...PERHAPS I WILL BE DISTRACTED FROM THE FACT THAT SKIN COLOR IS JUST SKIN COLOR AND EVERYTHING THAT MAKES PEOPLE WHO THEY ARE IS MUCH DEEPER....OH WAIT....IT DIDN'T WORK....SORRY.
shareOh fuck off, KOWALSKI. Gaslighting is the right word for it. LOL.
Like I've said twice before, it's NEVER done with a non white character, even a minor one. And you keep doubling down on that claim that race doesn't matter (but we all know it does when they are casting), and acting like I'm the one saying something crazy.
CLASSIC GASLIGHTING>
STOP WORRYING ABOUT WHAT COLOR PEOPLE ARE...IT'S BASIC AND PATHETIC.
shareMore gaslighting. Yawn. The same people who say that when they race swap a well established white character would lose their minds if it ever goes the other way. Well, unless it's a rapist or some other villain.
We're going in circles now, so I think I'm done with this thread.
GOOD WORK...THE TROLLY TINTED WALLPAPER YOU PUT UP IS SWEET.
ALWAYS A GOOD DAY WHEN WE PROMOTE AND ENDORSE HATE AND UGLINESS.👍🏾
Look in the mirror, goofball.
I'm not full of hate for pointing out a clear inconsistency and lie.
You are really full of shit sometimes. I'm not saying you are a bad person necessarily, but you clearly have political tunnel vision.
I HAVE NO POLITICAL ANYTHING....THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH POLITICS AT ALL....PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE...SKIN IS JUST SKIN....ANYTHING MORE IS INVENTED BOOGEYMAN FOR LESSER CREATURES TO RALLY AGAINST.
shareActually, it was done in The Expanse. James Holdens Ade was race-changed from Nigerian ethnicity to white in the show.
shareI had to look that up, and it turns out that the books are science fiction and he had eight parents who shared in his DNA makeup. Kind of disingenuous to claim that he had Nigerion ethnicity, like he was fully black, and leave out the rest.
According to the Expanse Wiki, he did not have a dark complexion in the book either. Mixed race people who have a little more ambiguous situation when it comes to their appearance are pretty clearly not what I'm talking about here, anyway.
>I had to look that up, and it turns out that the books are science fiction and he had eight parents who shared in his DNA makeup. Kind of disingenuous to claim that he had Nigerion ethnicity, like he was fully black, and leave out the rest.
Ade was the name of his girlfriend. I don't mean James Holden.
She was of Nigerian descent in the books. Flipped to White American in the show.
Ok, so I found Ade Tukombo and it looks like she dies fairly early on. I imagine that played a part in changing her race to white. Someone in the comments at the Wiki pointed out it's lose lose. Either a black character dies early or they race swap a black character. I can see their point.
Her entry on the wiki is pretty small. She die early?
At any rate, you are talking about a very rare counterexample. Her being a minor character would explain why there wasn't a bigger controversy about it.
Yes, she does. But you did say: "it's NEVER done with a non white character, even a minor one."
Clearly it was.
Delving a little deeper, I see the show began back in 2015. I was talking about a little more recent history, anyway.
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YOU GOT TO USE GASLIGHTING...MY TURN....MOVING THE GOALPOST.
For god sake, KOWALSKI, of course if you go back ten years or more things were different. If you go back far enough, you can find Charelton Heston playing a Mexican and John Wayne playing Ghengis Khan. There's no goalpoast being moved. It's pretty clear I was talking about NOW.
OK, I really am done with you when it comes to this topic. Good night.
EXACTLY...GO BACK AND YOU FIND NO ROLES FOR ANYONE BUT WHITES....WHICH IS WHY WE SEE THE OCCASIONAL WHITE CHARACTER CAST WITH A NON WHITE ACTER...AND NOT THE OTHER WASY AROUND....GOOD JOB...TOOK YOU AWHILE.
NOW...WANNA SMOKE A BOWL WITH ME?...WE ARE WATCHING VAMPIRE'S KISS AT MOVIE CLUB....CRAZY SHIT!
Zarkoff, you’ve arriving at the same conclusion as does everyone who engages Skavau in good faith.
Skavau is a regime bitch and radical wokist on a mission to gaslight anyone he can into thinking that woke and regime dominance don’t exist, so that you’ll stop resisting them. Same principle as Holocaust denial.
He has a basic bitch bag of rhetorical tricks that he uses over and over, mainly strawmanning your position and then bombarding you with questions about an opinion you don’t even hold, hoping you’ll tire from all the corrections and make it look like he ‘won’.
He’ll also play The Hatchling - farting out endless questions about self-evident facts (like the race-swapping of white heroes), again hoping to exhaust you and manufacture a fake ‘win’ for himself.
As you’ve noticed, he’ll also flat out lie, providing counter-examples that don’t count (The Expanse was 2015 etc) and hoping you won’t spot the false equivalence.
He’s also a stinking hypocrite - calling others fascists and censors while he runs to the mods to have anyone who calls out his tactics shut down.
Kowalski is one of his fellow wokists and they’ll often tag-team a new target.
Just a heads up.
Another 5 month old comment you're replying to. This is genuinely utter deranged.
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