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Very slow and boring, I never understand why some people claim it's better than Aliens


I remember the movie being quite boring, even when I was just a kid in elementary school. Everyone knows kids have bad taste; they like garbage because kids don't see enough.

More than 20 years later I just rewatched the movie again, because I never saw the director's cut. OMG, it's more boring than I remember, it was the same story in every horror movie: a monster or psychopath kills people one by one. The movie even had the cliche: the final girl.

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I thought it was terrific when I first saw it. I still like it but I find Aliens far more rewatchable.

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When watching movies you have to think about the time period the movie was released in.

It was unique and original in 1979.

The idea of it being a space horror movie was original. The creatures were original, the way they implanted in humans was original, a female hero was original, a realistic android as a double agent was original, and so on.

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The idea of it being a space horror movie was original.

Setting a horror movie in space doesn't take that much creativity, because they are basically doing the same thing in other horror movies that are set on the earth: wandering around in a house/spacecraft. I would say that Predator needs more creativity to set the movie in the jungle.

The creatures were original.

The design of the creature isn't that impressive, because it's freaking obvious a man in a suit.

The way they implanted in humans was original.

Ok, I would agree with that.

a female hero was original

It was not a female hero, it was the final girl, and Halloween from 1978 already had the final girl.

A realistic android as a double agent was original

That plot was boring, and even Ridley Scott admits he stole the plot from 2001: A Space Odyssey, an AI cares more about finishing the mission than human lives.

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Moronic responses.

Alien came out two years after Star Wars, which was a huge hit. So, people went in expecting a movie about aliens, adventure, etc and got an intense horror film, and that was original.

No one had seen effects like the alien creature before. There was never a "guy in a suit" like that before. And, it wasn't always a guy in a suit, but it had unique effects on the creature's head, mouth parts, saliva, and so on.

There were almost no female action characters in 1979. The character was consistently shown to be determined, assertive, and ultimately the one who defeated the enemy, so your point about her not being a hero is equally stupid.

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Original doesn't mean good. Joker 2 is original, it's the first superhero (or supervillain) comic book movie musical. Does that mean Joker 2 is good? Tenet was original, people never saw the reverse effects on that big scale. Does that make Tenet good? And... no, there were no "female action characters" in Alien, the movie was horror not action, you got your memory mixed up with Aliens, which had a female action character.

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Moronic on an autistic level.

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Lol! Dude, no want went to Alien expecting an "adventure" film.

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Were they expecting a romance...not an adventure film?

Almost all science fiction films are adventure stories.

Learn how to think.

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Stop being a prick. Any movie goer knows what is meant by an "adventure" film, such as Romancing the Stone or any Indiana Jones movie. And for you to try to pick a fight over Alien being an adventure film is downright ridiculous. It's horror, first; science fiction, second; and adventure, well, only inasmuch ad every movie is an "adventure." Now fuck off, you have been canceled.

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Stop being a moron and look up words.

You are using the word "adventure" incorrectly because you don't know what it means while being dead sure you do.

That's uneducated, arrogant, and idiotic.

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Def agree with this take, plus sprinkle in some nostalgia. I still think it's a good film, but it was viewed as incredible at the time of its release for all the reasons you listened.

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Yes.

I love movies including classic films from the 30s and 40s.

Only an idiot watches a film from 1940 and says they have seen the plot a million times or that it looks like they filmed i ton a stage instead of location!!!

Why was it in black and white....they had color film...what garbage!!

There was nothing like Alien when it came out.

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You are wrong, it's a well-known fact Alien got bad reviews when it was released, even Wiki said that:

Critical reaction to the film was initially mixed. Some critics who were not usually favorable towards science fiction, such as Barry Norman of the BBC's Film series, were positive about the film's merits. Others, however, were not; reviews by Variety, Sight and Sound, Vincent Canby, and Leonard Maltin[b] were mixed or negative. A review by Time Out said the film was an "empty bag of tricks whose production values and expensive trickery cannot disguise imaginative poverty". In their original review on Sneak Previews, critics Gene Siskel and Roger Ebert gave the film "two 'yes' votes." Ebert called it "one of the scariest old-fashioned space operas I can remember." Siskel agreed that it was scary but said it was basically a "haunted house film" set "in a spaceship" and was "not the greatest science fiction film ever made." Siskel gave the film three stars out of four in his original print review, calling it "an accomplished piece of scary entertainment" and praising Sigourney Weaver as "an actress who should become a major star," but listed among the film's disappointments that "[f]or me, the final shape of the alien was the least scary of its forms."

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Initial critical reviews are often negative, and often wrong about classics. Also, you have to remember that science fiction isn't held in high esteem in the film world - comic book films for example are still seen as farcical even if they have made the most money. Plus a lot of critics didn't understand that it's a horror movie set in space, not a space film with monsters, so they were viewing it in comparison to other scifi films of the time. The public loved the film, whatever critics might say, as evidenced by a lot of people who watched it at the time of its release.

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Whatever the reasons for the low rating from critics, my point remains, your assertion was wrong: "it was viewed as incredible at the time of its release." No, it didn't, at least not for critics.

And your "science fiction isn't held in high esteem." was wrong too, many sci-fi movies released before Alien got good reviews: Star Wars, Solaris, Planet of the Apes, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, 2001: A Space Odyssey...

And your assertion was laughable: "Critics didn't understand that it's a horror movie set in space, not a space film with monsters." How do you know that? Did critics tell you: "I don't know the difference between 'horror movie set in space' and 'space film with monsters'"?

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Yeah, they told me personally. Kidding, if you didn't catch that. A lot of the critics of the time panned it because it wasn't Star Wars, when it wasn't trying to be, and a lot of the criticism was centred around how it might as well be a horror movie instead of a sci-fi one - which it was, that's why I assume they missed the point. Time for example, wrote: "Unlike Star Wars, Alien has no affection for past movies of its genre; it just rips them off. Stripped of its futuristic setting and pretensions, this film is an oldtime B monster picture. Alien might just as well be about a huge scorpion loose in a haunted house, circa 1953." You hear a lot of comparison to B movies when it comes to sci-fi films they didn't think were doing sci-fi "right" or they presumed it should be done. But I'm glad I evoked a laugh from you.

Scifi as a genre has never been held in high esteem by critics - specific films have been appreciated, but the genre overall has a history of being looked down on and the entire genre is usually held up against the few films they did/do like and consider the standard.

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The critics were right; even Ridley Scott said, "Alien was a B movie with A-tier production." He said it after Alien was released decades ago, proving critics were right about Alien being a B-movie that ripped off other B-movies. Your assertion that critics didn't like Alien because they didn't like Sci-fi was nonsense, I just listed many Sci-fi movies critics like.

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Get educated before talking crap. First, the critics were polarized about 2001 upon release, Pauline Kael for example called it "a monumentally unimaginative movie".

Second, there was nothing dark about ANY of the sci-fi films you listed. They're family films or films without blood and gore at least. Planet Of The Apes might have a downbeat ending but it's still a brightly lit family film with unrealistic acting. A lot of critics were not ready for Alien. It was a completely different film. Ridley made a visually and tonally dark sci-fi film with blood and gore, and male rape subtext which had naturalistic acting - the characters are often talking over each other, speaking naturally and even on occasion reacting to real things - Ridley never told the cast what was going to happen to John Hurt for example and it's gone down as one of the most iconic scenes in sci-fi.

Critics ceamed their pants in the 70's and 80's over light sci-fi, not bleak, violent sci-fi. Ridley and John Carpenter were ahead of the curve and it took a while before many caught up. It's the reason why in 1982 ET overshadowed Blade Runner and The Thing.

As for your point about he made a B movie with A tier production? And? Filmmakers have been doing that for years. What do you think Tarantino's been doing when he takes elements from low budget martial arts, westerns, war films....?

Or Sergio Leone did with Once Upon A Time In The West which was a love letter to the western genre which mostly consisted of B movies?

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Your assertion that critics don't like Alien because it was too dark is just your speculation. Critics said they didn't like it because it was a B movie set in space, which Ridley Scott agreed with; they didn't say the reason was too dark, don't put the words in people's mouths. It wasn't just critics who didn't like Blade Runner and The Thing, the box office proved audiences don't like them either. Your examples about Tarantino and Leone were non-comparable, you said it yourself "takes elements" and "a love letter", which wasn't the case with Alien, it was just a "carbon copy" of B slasher movie set in space, that is what James Cameron did in Avatar. People love to criticize Avatar as just Dances with Wolves in space. But when critics said Alien was just a B slasher horror movie in space, people got upset.

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Nothing about how you got the critical reception to 2001 wrong then?šŸ˜‚

Nah, it was too dark and different for the critics at the time. The male rape subtext scared the shit out of them. Film historians have talked about it often enough.

Yeah, a lot of people are dumb and will stay away from a movie that doesn't get good critical reception. People wanted bright and light sci-fi instead especially in the "more optimistic" 80's after the glum 70's.

You clearly don't know what carbon copy means.

And AvataršŸ˜‚ Call it a Dances With Wolves carbon copy or not, it's still a piece of shit.

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You should defend Avatar because it was like Alien:

A monster B movie in space.

Dances with Wolves in space.

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I know why this film's too boring for you now, you should've said right at the start. There were no smurfs in it for you.

Stick to your kids films.

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And I know why Avatar was too boring for you now because it didn't have xenomorph. Stick to your b horror slasher.

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You like films with CGI blue peoplešŸ˜‚

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You like b slasher movie.šŸ˜‚

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CGI smurf aliens. There's just no coming back from thatšŸ˜‚

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I'll admit I like b slasher films. I don't happen to think that's what Alien is, not that that would make it lesser in my eyes. Either way I still contend it's a good film and was novel at the time of its release, critics' opinions be damned. Avatar, I concur with TheEndIsNigh, a pos with some great CGI.

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Aliens is vomit.

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Some people enjoy adrenaline fueled action flicks, Aliens, while some people enjoy films that ooze atmosphere and slow burning tension, Alien.

I myself prefer Alien to Aliens but that takes nothing away from Aliens, itā€™s an incredible film.

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I prefer Aliens but Alien is phenomenal.

Nobody creates worlds like Ridley, and this one is so bleak and hostile you can choke on the nasty atmosphere.

The 4K disc looks incredible and really brings out all the artistry, itā€™s pure cinema.

The unfolding mystery of the creature is superb, and even on rewatch the power of the monster and its surrounding mystery is compelling. From planet - ship - egg - facehugger - chestbuster - alien.

One thing that is diluted in Aliens is how unstoppable the creature is, itā€™s almost supernaturally powerful, like something from hell they found in deep space. Ripley blows it back out into space but we never see it die.

ā€˜Its structural perfection is matched only by its hostility. You have my sympathiesā€™

Alien is nightmare fuel.




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One thing that is diluted in Aliens is how unstoppable the creature is, itā€™s almost supernaturally powerful, like something from hell they found in deep space.


When I was a kid I thought the difference between Alien and Aliens was funny and contradicted: in Alien humans couldn't kill just one alien, in Aliens humans easily killed many aliens.

When I rewatched the first movie a few days ago, I noticed what caused the difference, and it's not contradicted: in Alien humans had no weapon, they didn't even have a handgun.

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Yeah I mean thatā€™s obvious, thatā€™s why Alien 3 reverted to no guns.

Even so, Aliens introduced the idea that bullets and grenades will blow an alien to pieces - that in itself diminishes the awesome power of the creature set up in Alien.

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I couldn't wait for the majority of the marines to die in Aliens, and it did the most unforgivable thing - it weakened the xenomorphs.

Ridley Scott's hit and miss but when he hits - Alien and Blade Runner - he's a better filmmaker than James Cameron. Not many can compete with him when it comes to visuals and atmosphere when he was at his peak.

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I couldn't wait for the majority of the marines to die in Aliens, and it did the most unforgivable thing - it weakened the xenomorphs.


If you think about it, it's the only way to do a sequel that starred Ripley. She already knew the alien and what it could do, of course, she would bring soldiers with guns.

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I'd rather have had a sequel that was faithful to the original creature than a cash cow personally. We're not gonna agree. You like the sequel and not the original, and I'm the exact opposite.

It's always annoyed me that Cameron took what was an almost unkillable monster and basically turned it into a glorified space bug. And as Ripley knew they had acid for blood it probably wasn't the best idea to be pumping bullets into them but that was another thing that Cameron seemed to hand wave away.

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Cameron was faithful to the original. As I said, humans can't kill an alien in the first movie because of the lack of weapons. They didn't even have a handgun. What did they have? A makeshift flamethrower. Of course, humans can't kill it. There were only two ways to make a sequel to Alien: either Ripley encountered another alien willingly or unwillingly.

If the sequel was unwillingly, then it will be just another rehash of the first movie, which David Fincher did in Alien 3. Do you love Alien 3 more than Aliens because it was faithful to make an alien unkillable?

If the sequel was willingly... Why would Ripley not bring soldiers with her? She already knew what alien could do. And why would soldiers worry about acid? Do you have a better way to kill aliens? As long as soldiers kill them in the distance, acid wouldn't be a problem.

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Cameron wasn't faithful at all. You obviously didn't pay full attention to this film and here you are criticizing it. They probably did have plenty of guns on board. We know for a fact they had pistols because you can clearly see when they're wearing space suits that they have them holstered. Ridley Scott though was using logic to tell the story. You know it's generally a bad idea to have acid burning through the hull of a ship especially in space. We see what just a tiny cut did to the face hugger. The acid blood it produced went through a few floors and nearly got to the outer hull.

They're using crap weapons like the flame thrower and the cattle prod precisely because of that reason. Which goes back to my previous point. Aliens is nonsense. Ripley knew what the acid blood was capable of doing. It's got nothing to do with shooting them from a distance.

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Alien was on a spaceship, of course, they had to worry about acid because it can cause a hole in the ship. Aliens was on a planet with a breathable atmosphere, so why would soldiers worry about acid burning a hole on a planet?

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Were they out in the open on that planet?

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They were at a station. Did the station even have a basement? I don't remember. What can acid do to a station that is built on the ground? Burn through to the basement and ground? So what?

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Exactly they were at a station full of corridors and electronics. Now that I think about, why didn't they have a crew on board their main ship? Why did everyone have to fly down to the surface?

Makes no sense.

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Corridors and electronics, so what? Why would soldiers worry about acid destroying them? Your "no man on the main ship" was laughable because that was what happened in Alien: all the crews, seven of them, went down to the surface. By your logic, Alien made no sense either.

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Erm, no. The refinery in the original was always unmanned. It didn't even have life support. The Nostromo just had a tiny crew. Fast forward 60 years and you'd need even less for just a transport . One of the reasons why the food was so crap was because it was automated insta-food. The equivalent in Alien would be if they all left the Nostromo to go to the derelict.

In Aliens, having a military vessel without a captain or crew on board makes no sense. Nice try though.

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Why would leaving a military vessel unmanned in orbit be a problem? Nostromo was an expensive ship with valuable cargo. What made Sulaco more valuable than Nostromo that it must need a man on it? Ever heard the word password?

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You think that a single squad of marines would have an entire ship, an armored personnel carrier, two drop ships, and nuclear weapons at their disposal without a commander or crew on board?

Aliens is a series of contrived nonsense.

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Why would they need a man on board? Ever heard a word called radio?

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Does it piss you off that Aliens completely falls apart?šŸ˜‚

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Yes, Alien fell apart, because all the crew left the ship to land on the planet, why not leave a person on the ship?

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I bet you like Newt's acting as wellšŸ˜‚

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"I couldn't wait for the majority of the marines to die in Aliens . . . "

Amen to that. The cheesy-hokey marine banter didn't completely wreck the film for me, but puts it at a firm -- and distant -- 2nd place behind the first film.

Alien is an all-time classic.

Aliens is fast food for the on-the-go crowd.

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it was the same story in every horror movie: a monster or psychopath kills people one by one. The movie even had the cliche: the final girl.

I'm offended that you can compare this masterpiece to some "Slasher" bullshit featuring a hillbilly in dungarees and a halloween mask wondering around a forest with a butchers cleaver chopping people up.

Even though this is sci fi set in the future featuring aliens , its far more "realistic" than anything in that so called genre.

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Even Siskel said the same thing, this is from Wiki:

Siskel agreed that it was scary but said it was basically a "haunted house film" set "in a spaceship" and was "not the greatest science fiction film ever made."

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well , thats a cheap hack comparison to make column inches .
Every film can be reduced to a cheap one liner plot summary.
Did he say the same thing about Predator?

Sci fi on its own it rarely if ever the genre , its just the setting , and always has to be combined with another genre for story / plot

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I donā€™t understand how anyone can say Alien is slow and boring. Of course it starts out slow! The tension of waiting for something terrible to happen reaches skin crawling, nerve jangling intensity.

When ā€œitā€ finally makes an appearance, you literally jump out of your seat. Things slow down again so the audiences has to wait to see what really happened to Kane.

Hitchcock said it best when he described the difference between shock and tension. Shock is a bomb going off. Tension is when the audience knows thereā€™s a bomb in the room, but the characters donā€™t.


Movies like Alien rely on a slow pace and a buildup to the actual horror.For me, I was scared from the opening credits. The music and the slow pan across the alien planet while the word Alien was spelled out oh so slowly got me primed to be scared.

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The slow first half of the movie is great, IMO. So atmospheric and creepy. The world they created is both disturbing and beautiful in a way.

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