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Andrew Tate slams hypocritical Muslims


Andrew Tate says something reasonable.
https://x.com/AFpost/status/1820204080352166217

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islam is one big lie and should be made illegal in the west.

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I'm not religious, but we are in desperate need of Christianity. Abandoning it has left us vulnerable to the Islamic threat. Secular Liberalism has weakened our societies.

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I doubt that not having christianity around has left anyone vulnerable to an islamic threat. The multicultural liberals are too afraid of being seen as prejudiced or bigoted against anyone or anything non-white, or non-western. That's why they won't speak out against the islamic religion.
They don't want to offend it's adherents from the middle east,Africa or Asia.
Anybody else not blinded with this bias can clearly see what the islamic religion is like and what it means to live under it.
Look up Douglas Murray on youtube. He has plenty to say about this. He's an agnostic.
And so does Christopher Hitchens an athiest.
One doesn't need to be a devout christian to see what a threat islam is. Any athiest who values his/her freedom to be one should clearly see what an anathema this religion is.

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I am familiar with both Douglas Murray and Christopher Hitchens. My point is that secular liberalism weakens society. It assumes that different religions can coexist peacefully in a multicultural society, leaving it vulnerable to a religion like Islam, which will spread and take over. A society that remained Christian would be better equipped to keep Islam at bay.

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Again I disagree. Secular liberalism from what I understand doesn't believe in promoting any religion at all in society. That goes for christianity, judaism, islam or any other religion. I'm a secularist myself and I don't want to see any religous influence in society, especially the islamic religion.
Being a secular liberal means you want a religion free society or country.

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A secular liberal society allows for the practice of any religion, including Islam. However, Islam is incompatible with a secular society. Combined with mass immigration from Islamic countries, the result will be that Islam gradually takes over, turning a secular society into an Islamic state.

As an atheist, I used to believe that a secular society was ideal and that religion was harmful. However, with the decline of Christianity, we see it being replaced by Islam and other secular ideologies like "wokeness," which I find worse than Christianity. I am slowly coming to realize that the West was a better place when it was predominantly Christian.

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Religion itself is one big lie. Did you know Satan = God? He needed a boogey man to do the things he needed to do, a scapegoat if you will. Hebrew bible never mentions the devil, only an adversary, rest was pagan nonsense.

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Judaism believe the yetzer hara (evil inclination) and yetzer hatov (good inclination) are internal forces within every person. No need for an external Devil.

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Amen. Everything I've read about that cult is evil. I've never believed a word they said about being a "religion of peace," considering they treat their women like crap and have been the single most common religion terrorists of the past 20 years have been following.

If you ever wanta motivate girls into NOT marrying Muslim men, show them "Not Without My Daughter." It'll reveal the true psyche behind Muslims and how they treat women and westerners.

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Fascinating.

Looking forward to the next update on your boyfriend Tate.

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I'm not really fan. The reason I posted this was because it was a surprisingly good take.

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Well I didn’t read but I have no doubt it’s amazing, if anyone is qualified to pass judgement on a religion that subjugates women it’s Andy Pandy.

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It's just a short video and he's talking about Muslims invading Europe.

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It could be a ten second video and I would still have less than no interest in what that fuckwit says.

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A broken clock is accurate twice a day. It would be a disservice to yourself to dismiss people, even the ones you dont like.

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I like the adage man, but Tate has spewed enough bile for me to feel comfortable with a dismissal. I’ll live with any disservice brought upon me by not listening to his Neanderthal ramblings.

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Tate has the uncanny ability to say something that i can start to get on board with then completely fuck it up by him continuing to elaborate.

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I listened to it. Can't disagree with it. But your not missing anything important by ignoring it.

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This is one topic where I generally split from my fellow liberal/leftists.

I learned everything there was to know about Islam over 20 years ago. I spent months reading about it, and this was back before you could find things like "TOP 1000 REASONS ISLAM SUCKS - BY RUSH LIMBAUGH." Almost all of the available essays at the time were very dry and academic. Mostly, I just went straight to the source. I read the Quran. I read the Sira. I read three separate volumes of Hadith. A lot of it was totally benign, but then a lot of it was fucking horrifying. It's the very definition of oppressive conservatism. Lefty liberals who defend Islam have no fucking idea what they're doing.

EDIT: And for the record, like Filmtenk, I didn't bother to click on the Andrew Tate link. Because fuck that ridiculous POS whether he agrees with me about Islam or not.

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I am a leftist. I do not defend Islam at all. I am in favour of faith schools of all stripes being shut down, all Saudi funding into mosques and related religious institutions. An affirmation, publicly, of secular values - and that "blasphemy" and LGBT rights are non-negotiable and they will have to put up with our civil liberties.

Many of the steps Denmark has taken.

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Nice, at least there are two of us.

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But, religious freedom in itself is a right. The people that are here, and British citizens, are here.

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The only thing I will not tolerate is intolerance itself. A free country that allows anyone within its borders to practice Sharia is a paradox.

The liberals who support Islam know absolutely nothing about it beyond what they see on twitter and tiktok i.e. Muslim Brotherhood propaganda.

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Conservatives can be ignorant too but liberals can be far worse.

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Anyone can achieve the height of ignorance. In general, liberals tend to be educated. Conservatives tend to be hillbilly trash who perhaps barely squeaked out of high school.

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If some of the liberals were really that educated then they should realize that the muslim faith would be an anathema to whatever they believe in. They (liberals) aren't as educated as they are brainwashed. Or indoctrinated.
There is nothing liberal or secular about the islamic religion. This is a faith that would make Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson look like left wingers.

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Are you even reading my posts here? Like the first thing I did was admit liberals have a blind spot specifically when it comes to Islam. It comes from their tendency to be tolerant and inclusive. At least it comes from a good place of well-meaning kindness. But in this case it even more so comes from ignorance on a specific subject because they've never bothered to do any homework on it. They hear someone they trust say "Islam is a religion of peace" and think "OK, case closed then" without lifting a finger to actually learn anything about Islam.

Here's something that chaps my hind: people who take a hard stance against something like evangelical Christianity but then demand tolerance for Islam. That's the absolute height of hypocrisy.

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What is it that "The liberals who support Islam" are missing?
and what does it mean to "support Islam" ?
I'm happy to let them kneel facing mecca and pray 5 times a day if thats what the y wanna do .
I wouldnt be happy if they demanded I do it , but I dont think they are .

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But they are, muslims right now even in places like france and germany are "only" about 8 or 9% of the population. but the thing is you can find small towns, for example in italy, i can't remember what the town is called, but theres a town in fruli, not far from venice...

well a major percentage of the population is muslim, so much so they've elected a muslim mayor and in doing so implemented islamic teaching in the schools, halal food in the schools, the kids get ramadan holidays there. certain events...

so what happens when they really get their numbers up? and remember demographics are key, westerners aren't having babies, but muslims are. so it's a question of time.

Do you think if/when muslims get to be a majority in some countries of the west (not in our lifetime and maybe thats why you don't care that much) that they'll be tolerant? loving? not force anything on us?


Every religion has a basis of it's ideology, with christianity it's Jesus, with islam it's the caliphate, in other words worldwide islamic dominance. the basis of their religion is to control the world, and thats not my theory, thats the koran...

it is hard to imagine something like that in the west now, but it's not impossible and we're already seeing little "clues"

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Islam is based on Judaism and Christianity, therefore it has Jesus, Mary, Moses, Abraham and others from both religions.

No, the Koran does not say to replace Judaism or Christianity. Both religious groups have lived peacefully in Muslim-dominated countries for centuries. Mohammed admired and studied both Judaism and Christianity.

Historically, Muslims have been more tolerant than Christians. Jews fled to Muslim countries from Christian persecution and terror.

You should learn about Islam before commenting about it.

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you're mentally ill

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Your comprehension of Islam is surface level and elementary, the sort derived from the likes of the tedious articles that you link here.

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it's not elementary, it's lies. it's fictionalized leftist nonsense about islam, about peaceful and loving it is.

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I don't disagree, not completely anyway.

Note that Keelai won't respond to the Islamic texts I referenced but is instead rehashing generic, elementary talking points.

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Anyone can copy/paste. You're a clueless Islamophobe!

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That you're saying that about something I wrote is probably the closest I'll ever get to a compliment from you, Keelai.

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Then, you're delusional, also.

Anyone can take religious text out of context and misinterpret it. Or it can be interpreted differently by various people especially when they have an agenda.

Muslims aren't homogeneous anymore than Christians or Jews are.

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"Anyone can take religious text out of context and misinterpret it. Or it can be interpreted differently by various people especially when they have an agenda."

It really sounds like you're projecting there, because those are the standard theological and academic interpretations of the texts I referenced.

"Muslims aren't homogeneous anymore than Christians or Jews are."

No one said there were.

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There is no "standard".

"justification for Islam as an "empire."

Now do Roman Catholic since Spain wanted the Americas to be "empire".

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There is. I suggest you perform research of primary and secondary sources here beyond the random source mined articles that you deliberately encounter.

There's a monumental difference between the two, actually. Are you trying to conflate Divine Right European monarchy with the inseparability of church and state inherent in Islamic civilizations?

Trust me, you're trying to bullshit the wrong person about this particular topic.

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Not really!

Pope Alexander VI bequeathed the Americas to Spain and ordered them to make it Roman Catholic.

Now do Roman Catholic since the Pope through Spain wanted the Americas to be "empire".

You're acting as if there was no inseparability of church and state inherent in Christianity throughout most of its history.

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Nowadays the Jews flee muslim lands and go to Israel if they can. Or somewhere else.

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Palestine/Israel is Muslim land.

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That's a trap I'm not falling into. I did the homework assignment over 20 years ago. I spent a lot of time reading boring shit when I could have been watching movies or playing video games or whatever. I learned as much as I could about Islam. And right now I could type out everything I learned. You'd be getting straight solid facts, but they'd be coming from some random anonymous person on the internet... who for all you know could be bullshitting when he claims he's a lifelong liberal lefty. And you could then just dismiss everything he said as "probably" a bunch of b.s. conspiracy theory crap from some jagoff who's probably really a right wing conservative prick and everything he said probably came from 4chan or Qanon or whatever. Just a bunch of lies that come from pure ignorance and bigotry.

No. That NEVER works. You need to do the homework yourself. Don't listen to me. Don't listen to Bigmike and don't listen to Keelai. But don't listen to any Muslim either. Read Islamic texts for yourself. The Quran, the Sira and some Hadith. If you don't want to buy them from Amazon (which is what I did) then your local library probably has them. Do some digging. Look into the Muslim Brotherhood, what they stand for, what they're working to achieve, and what they've been putting into their internal documents for over 100 years.

I've met a few Muslims in my lifetime, and honestly, every single one of them has seemed like a sweet and kind person. This isn't about them. This isn't about Jeff and Carol Abdulla who have lived their entire lives in Madison Wisconsin and "just want to obey the 5 pillars and mind their own business and have a sandwich" as Ben Affleck put it 10 years ago. This isn't even really about "religion" per se. It's about a political ideology that has existed for 1400 years and is taken very seriously by very serious people around the globe.

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Excellent commentary.

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Thank you sir.

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"This isn't even really about "religion" per se. It's about a political ideology"

Nonsense! You just lumped ALL 1.9 billion Muslims into a single ideology. You're stereotyping.

It seems you learned nothing in 20 years. You should have just watched Star Trek reruns.

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My comment about "Jeff and Carol Abudulla in Madison WI" was my way of acknowledging that there are plenty of Muslims around the world who are more 'casual' about their religion, and I'm not concerned with them. I'm only concerned with the core ideology of Islam, and the HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of Muslims around the world who do take it very seriously. The ones who are willing to admit to Pew Research that they think the Taliban, Al Qaeda, ISIS, Hamas etc. are good organizations that do good things in the world.

I'm not in favor of taking any actions against Muslims. Trump's Muslim ban was overreaching bullshit. All I'm in favor of is people becoming more aware of what Islamic doctrine says and what it does in the world. There are too many people like you who think, "Oh shut up about ISIS and all that shit. Christianity has Fred Phelps's Westboro Church, same thing."

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There isn't one type of Islam. Some sects are much more liberal than others. And Taliban, Al Qaeda, ISIS, Hamas are not the same thing nor have similar goals. You're basically oversimplifying and stereotyping.

I never wrote that you should shut-up and I agree with you that people should learn about Islam (as well as other religions). I just don't believe you went far enough in your studies which is the reason for my criticism.

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Taliban, Al Qaeda, ISIS, Hamas are all fundamentalist Islamist organizations, they all implement Sharia. There might be some differentiation in the details between them, but they're all completely oppressive. Because the basic fundamentals of Islam (which literally means "SUBMIT" to the will of Allah) are oppressive.

I'd bet my lunch I know more about Islam than you do.

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"all fundamentalist Islamist organizations"
No, they're not.

"all implement Sharia"
Not really.

"I know more about Islam than you do."
You claim to have studied Islam, but you don't appear to know more than the average Islamophobe who hasn't.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA.

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Taliban, Al Qaeda, ISIS and Hamas are all fundies. Which of them aren't exactly, in your mind?

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In your opinion, what is the main goal of each?

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Taliban aren't expansionist but wish, and have converted Afghanistan into an Islamist theocracy.

Al-Qaeda and ISIS have similar goals, which is to incite Islamist uprising across as many territories as possible to establish a caliphate across as much of the world as possible under salafism principles. ISIS in particular is a deeply imperialistic group that essentially claims the entire world.

Hamas goals in terms of their organisation is the mass genocide via extermination or expulsion of all Jewish people in Israel and the establishment of an Islamic theocracy in its place.

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Israel’s literal goal is ethnic-cleansing and genocide of all Palestinians from their land to establish a Jewish-only state. Hamas is fighting for Palestinian survival. Most Palestinians want a full democracy with the right of return for all refugees instead of the open-air prison and Israeli military tyranny they live under now.

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Supposing this simplistic observation is true, Hamas also wants to genocide all Israelis.

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Reread since I added.

That's Israeli propaganda. Jews, Muslims and Christians lived in Palestine for centuries. Israel is committing genocide now. Not Palestinians who are the equivalent of Native-Americans who were slaughtered in order for Europeans to steal their land.

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>That's Israeli propaganda. Jews, Muslims and Christians lived in Palestine for centuries. Israel is committing genocide now. Not Palestinians who are the equivalent of Native-Americans who were slaughtered in order for Europsabs to steal their land.

Palestinians =/= Hamas.

Hamas is an overtly genocidal islamo-supremacist group. Do you know nothing of their history?

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/10/hamas-covenant-israel-attack-war-genocide/675602/

Can you explain what their goal was in October when they slaughtered Israeli civilians?

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Israel has massacred Palestinians nonstop since 1940s. Palestinians have zero civil rights or freedom. They can be arrested without charges and left in prison indefinitely without trial including children. Thousands held. Torture is allowed. Hamas kidnapped in order to negotiate release for thousands of hostages held by Israel illegally against international law. This practice started by Britain, first against Ireland, then Palestinians during British Mandate.

Israelis said a few years ago that they wanted to completely destroy all buildings in Gaza so Palestinians forced to leave and Jews could steal more land. Not an accident that IDF/government repeatedly ignored warnings of attack and waited 7+ hours to arrive. They also ensured that the IDF female soldiers near the border were unarmed.

Gaza is an open-air prison. Most of their targets were soldiers and police, unlike cowardly IDF that slaughters women and
children.

Are you going to denounce colonialism which your country
started on the innocent Palestinians who were minding their own business?

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None of this has anything to do with the fact that Hamas, however evil you think Israel are, are also outright openly in favour of wiping Israel off the map and genociding Jews and commit atrocities to that end.

I'll ask again: Can you explain what their goal was in October when they slaughtered Israeli civilians?

>Gaza is an open-air prison. Most of their targets were soldiers and police, unlike cowardly IDF that slaughters women and
children.

This is fucking bullshit.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67053011#:~:text=Their%20names%20are%20Shani%20Louk,held%20by%20Hamas%20in%20Gaza.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231215-israel-social-security-data-reveals-true-picture-of-oct-7-deaths

"The identities and ages of civilian victims are available via Bituah Leumi, Israel's social security agency.

Its website lists 695 people killed during the attack, with names and the circumstances of their deaths.

Among them are 36 children, including 20 under 15 years old and 10 killed by rockets.

The youngest victim was 10-month-old Mila Cohen, shot and killed at Kibbutz Beeri.

An entire family, including three children aged between two and six, were killed in their home at Kibbutz Nir Oz.

Elsewhere, two brothers aged five and eight were shot dead in their car with their parents."

You are an actual apologist for terrorism.

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Wow! White European news defending white European settler-colonialism! What a surprise!

Terrorism is conducted by European Jews, Britain and U.S. against a non-white Indigeneous people who were minding their own business when foreigners from thousands of miles away decided to invade their land and ethnic-cleanse. Palestinians are defending themselves from land theft, human rights abuse, genocide and ethnic-cleansing.

In 1977, the election manifesto of the Israeli political party Likud, which stated that "between the sea and the Jordan there will be only Israeli sovereignty". The phrase "began as a Zionist slogan signifying the boundaries of Eretz Israel.

Israel has slaughtered tens of thousands of Palestinian children and ethnic-cleansed over 50% of Palestinian population.

Israel has also targeted and killed Americans. They are no ally. Stop defending them. They routinely target and kill thousands of Palestinians in numerous atrocities throughout the Middle East. Israel is holding thousands of Palestinian hostages, also.

Israel attacks U.S. Naval ship killing Americans
https://www.history.navy.mil/about-us/leadership/director/directors-corner/h-grams/h-gram-007/h-007-1.html

When Israel tried to kill American ambassador:
"In August 1980, while serving as ambassador to Lebanon, Dean was the target of an assassination attempt, which, evidence dictated, was directed by Israel."

Btw, Israel helped create and empower Hamas:

"For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas."
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

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What the actual fuck does any of this have to do with the activities of Hamas now?

Does all of that somehow make the random slaughtering of Israeli citizens accceptable?

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Everything. Zionism is a settler-colonialism project. It's goal is to steal ALL Palestinian land and ethnic-cleanse/commit genocide against ALL Palestinians to establish a Jewish-only state. How is this different from the ethno-state that Hitler wanted for Germany?

Palestinians, the present-day equivalent of Native-Americans, are fighting for their survival against settler-colonialists Eastern Europeans militarily supported by two world powers, formerly Britain and now the United States.

Hamas escaped their open-air prison for a few hours to fight against severe oppression where Palestinians live under an Israeli military-controlled dictatorship with zero basic human rights, no freedom of movement (illegal to walk or drive on certain streets unless Jewish), no liberties where even poets have been assassinated by Israel, arrests without charges or trial held indefinitely including children and torture is routine, no right to work since Palestinians' exports and fishing, etc. are severely curtailed by Israel. Conditions are much worse than Jim Crow and apartheid!

Why do you believe white lives are more valuable? You obviously believe Israel's multiple massacres against Palestinian civilians including at Sabra, Shatila, the "Obliterated Families" project, 750,000 Palestinians ethnic-cleansed, the 40,000 genocide in Gaza is fine. Why do you support Europeans stealing someone else's land in Asia?

Btw, Israel targets mainly women and children. Hamas targets were mainly military and police.

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I do not care about the history of this conflict for the purposes of this discussion. I am well aware about all of these things. I am well aware Israel has committed atrocities. I am not here to take any position on what the geopolitical outcome of this conflict should be.

>Btw, Israel targets mainly women and children. Hamas targets were mainly military and police.

You keep claiming this and have provided fuck all evidence for this. I have provided multiple examples of evidence against this. It is well documented that Hamas deliberately slaughtered Israeli citizens, and primarily so, during October the 7th.

You are an apologist for Islamofascist terrorism.

Answer this:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67053011#:~:text=Their%20names%20are%20Shani%20Louk,held%20by%20Hamas%20in%20Gaza.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231215-israel-social-security-data-reveals-true-picture-of-oct-7-deaths

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You choose to ignore history because your Israelis are committing war crimes and genocide.

The Israeli Dahiya Doctrine is a policy that states all Palestinian civilian targets are equal to military targets, therefore can be bombed. Women and children are considered combatants even a newborn. This is a war crime!

Israel denial of food, water, fuel, medicine, shelter to millions of civilians is a war crime!

Israel is so gun happy that they have killed some of their own people in both Gaza and on Oct. 7.

Here are the names, ages, and ID numbers of more than 6,700 of the Palestinians killed as of Oct 30, 2023 Israel's assault on Gaza.
https://mondoweiss.net/2023/10/this-is-a-list-of-the-names-of-more-than-6000-palestinians-that-israel-has-killed-in-gaza/

Dead are 40,000+ now plus 10,000 buried under rubble = genocide

"Women, children and the elderly make up 73 percent of those killed by Israeli bombardments in Gaza."
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2023/11/1/know-their-names-palestinians-killed-in-israeli-attacks-on-gaza

You hate Muslims and nonwhites so much, you even support the mass slaughter, starvation, torture of small children. There is a special place in Hell for you and your Fascist Islamophobe racist child murderers.

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Whatever Israel has done, or is doing does not justify the slaughter of innocents - as Hamas has done and embeds into all of their operations. They just do not have the tech or manpower or tactics to be able to be truly destructive.

>You hate Muslims and nonwhites so much, you even support the mass slaughter, starvation, torture of small children. There is a special place in Hell for you and your Fascist Islamophobe racist child murderers.

When did I support any of that?

You still have not acknowledged that Hamas deliberately targets innocent people, and did so on October the 7th. This is highly documents. Over 800 civilians were killed, deliberately by Hamas. Was that acceptable?

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Israel is not justified in the slaughter of innocents - as the IDF has done and embeds into all of their operations. They reject all Palestinian peace offerings since 1947 because they want to steal all Palestinian land and kill them as they have been doing nonstop.

"When did I support any of that?"

"Islamofascist terrorism" term = Islamophobe

You still have not acknowledged that Israel deliberately targets innocent people since 1947. 750,000 ethnic-cleansed or murdered. Tens of thousands more killed during Israeli bombings of refugee camps and residential neighborhoods. This is highly documented. Over 40,265 people have been killed and 93,144 wounded deliberately by Israel. This is not acceptable.

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>"Islamofascist terrorism" term = Islamophobe

Are you of the opinion that authoritarian, clerical violent interpretations of Islam do not exist?

Are you of the opinion that organisations like Al-Qaeda and ISIS and Boko Haram do not really exist?

>You still have not acknowledged that Israel deliberately targets innocent people since 1947. 750,000 ethnic-cleansed or murdered. Tens of thousands more killed during Israeli bombings of refugee camps and residential neighborhoods. This is highly documented. Over 40,265 people have been killed and 93,144 wounded deliberately by Israel. This is not acceptable.

Sure. They have. I'm not here defending Israel.

But Hamas is also not acceptable. They are an openly terrorist genocidal group, and however bad Israel was in their formation doesn't justify what they did and do.

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In the 1940s, Palestinians said European Jews could stay, but Palestinians wanted to establish a democracy in Palestine.

The British and European Jews rejected democracy because they wanted to steal all the land and kick out the Palestinians.
Half were forced out in 1947-48.

You're defending your country-s evil behavior.

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>In the 1940s, Palestinians said European Jews could stay, but Palestinians wanted to establish a democracy in Palestine.

Hamas was founded in 1987. Not sure what they have to do with anything from the 1940s.

>You're defending your country-s evil behavior.

Criticising Hamas for being Islamofascists is defending my countries "evil behaviour"?

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Why do European Jews have a right to ethnic-cleanse/commit genocide against the Palestinians who lived there for thousands of years and steal land?

Why do you believe that native people shouldn't be allowed to fight back against their oppressor who is stealing their land?

Israel law literally establishes a Jewish-supremacy state in which only Jews have rights and Christians, Muslims, Armenians, etc. have little to no rights. Why are you OK with an ethno-state that legally discriminates based on religion and denies half the population any basic civil rights?

What are your thoughts about settler-colonialism?

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>Why do you believe that native people shouldn't be allowed to fight back against their oppressor who is stealing their land?

Does fighting back involve crossing the border and slaughtering Israeli civilians?

>Israel law literally establishes a Jewish-supremacy state in which only Jews have rights and Christians, Muslims, Armenians, etc. have little to no rights. Why are you OK with an ethno-state that legally discriminates based on religion and denies half the population any basic civil rights?

What rights do non-Jews in within Israel not have?

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Does fighting back involve crossing the border and slaughtering Gazan civilians?

No right to return.
No right to freedom of travel.
Lose home if Jews want it.
Systemic discrimination in housing, jobs, education, etc..
Lose right to run for office if visit family in Occupied Territories. Jim Crow segregation and discrimination for non-Jews.
Not allowed to have family live with them if from Occupied Territories or refugee.
No right to economic assistance and low cost housing loans.

Israel's Nation State Law clearly states Israel is for Jews only while establishing an apartheid system. 1. only Jews — have the exclusive right to “self-determination” within Israel. 2. stripping Arabic of its official status is meant to erase their identities and histories. They also say it will put them at an economic disadvantage, because Hebrew is often not taught well in schools in Arab Israeli communities. 3. law appears to create a legal right to separate Arabs from living in Jewish communities
https://www.vox.com/world/2018/7/31/17623978/israel-jewish-nation-state-law-bill-explained-apartheid-netanyahu-democracy

The Association for Civil Rights in Israel, an Israeli human rights organization, has documented entrenched discrimination and socioeconomic differences in “land, urban planning, housing, infrastructure, economic development, and education.”

Statistics from IDI show that Arab citizens of Israel continue to face structural disadvantages. For example, poorly funded schools in their localities contribute to their attaining lower levels of education and their reduced employment prospects and earning power compared to Israeli Jews.

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The Sisters are fighting!

https://moviechat.org/general/General-Discussion/66bff21be2b59409e700e862/If-Moviechat-was-Shawshank-prison

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Yup, literally stalking my comment history to find this thread.

And yet I'm the "stalker".

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The claws are out! 🐈🐈

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stop stalking melton. He's a highly respected member of this board.

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I take your point about not believing "some guy" , and research myself.
Seems a massive topic , well done for tackling it yourself 20 years ago,

But the fact that Islam seems to be the only religion that has a tradition of "Scholars" that seem to all interpret it in different and new ways every day puts me off a little : )

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I spent the first 30-ish years of my life having absolutely zero clue as to what Islam was. I always assumed it was some kind of Eastern airy-fairy religion like Buddhism or Hinduism. The only time I ever heard of Islam was in the context of "another act of Islamic terrorism has been committed on the other side of the planet." Wasn't relevant to my life so I wasn't motivated to learn more. Well, then in late 2001 suddenly it literally hit a lot closer to home, and that was when I was finally determined to learn everything I could about it. A lot of it was boring, but some of it was very fascinating.

My real position is- if one wants to defend Muslims or condemn them, they should learn as much as possible about Islam before they do either.

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AT is kind of like the Kim Kardashian of men. I didn't bother to click on what he said. I might even agree with it. Just don't care to support his platform or echo his message positive or negative.

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That is usually how I feel about him but I liked what he said here and felt like giving credit where credit was due.

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He makes a great point that leftists and anti-whites will just ignore as they always do. They prefer to come up with any excuse for third world migrants invading the west.

The lazy one is colonialism (nothing more than a buzzword) or my personal favorite "you bombed their countries so deal with the consequences" (must've missed 100 million japs moving to america after their homeland was turned into a glass parking lot in ww2).

Any excuse for leftists to bury their heads in the sand. Europe and America are not responsible for third worlders lacking the desire and intelligence to build decent societies for themselves.

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Based on your ideology, you shouldn't be living in America at all if your ancestors are from Europe.

You are the invader!

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This is the first time I've seen a reasonable statement from Andrew Tate, though I admit that I'm not familiar with him in general because what I have seen generally is unappealing.

This is a tough one for me. I can't claim to be an expert on Islam, but I do have some knowledge of commonly referenced texts within the Qu'ran and also Asbab Al-Nuzul, a class of commentaries about the interpretation and the implementation of God's will as disclosed in the Qu'ran. Here's a little history/theology lesson:

لَآ إِكْرَاهَ فِى ٱلدِّينِ ۖ قَد تَّبَيَّنَ ٱلرُّشْدُ مِنَ ٱلْغَىِّ ۚ فَمَن يَكْفُرْ بِٱلطَّـٰغُوتِ وَيُؤْمِنۢ بِٱللَّهِ فَقَدِ ٱسْتَمْسَكَ بِٱلْعُرْوَةِ ٱلْوُثْقَىٰ لَا ٱنفِصَامَ لَهَا ۗ وَٱللَّهُ سَمِيعٌ عَلِيمٌ

"Let there be no compulsion in religion, for the truth stands out clearly from falsehood.1 So whoever renounces false gods and believes in Allah has certainly grasped the firmest, unfailing hand-hold. And Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing."

This is a direct statement from the Qu'ran. It's contents are self explanatory; no can be be forced to become a Muslim.

Here's where things get tricky:

[2:256]. ...The Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, said: 'May Allah banish both of them. They are the first to disbelieve'. This was before the Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, was commanded to fight the people of the Book. But then Allah's saying (There is no compulsion in religion…) was abrogated (annulled) and the Prophet was commanded to fight the people of the Book in Surah Repentance”

This is an excerpt from Al Baqara, an Asbab Al-Nuzul (commentary on the Qu'ran) by al-Wahidi. This commentary, to my knowledge is the most frequently cited justification for Islam as an "empire."

The interpretations of Asbab Al-Nuzul are a key component of many sects of Islam; in a way, the notion is similar to canonical texts from Catholicism. Even though they are not part of the Bible, they are regarded as essential theological…

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…components of the religion.

Now contrast this with Christianity, where a commonly cited verse from the Bible is:

λέγουσιν αὐτῷ, Καίσαρος. τότε λέγει αὐτοῖς, Ἀπόδοτε οὖν τὰ Καίσαρος Καίσαρι καὶ τὰ τοῦ θεοῦ τῷ θεῷ.

“Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.”

-Matthew 22:21 (note this exact phrase occurs in three different places in the New Testament; if you’re familiar with the different perspectives offered by the Apostles, and how they often differ, then the significance here can be appreciated. It's the dogmatic equivalent of being bold, highlighted, and in caps)

This passage has been virtually universally interpreted as not only a justification, but as a mandated rationale for the separation of church and state.

So, is Islam a religion of innate theocracy? At its’ core, no but effectually, yes, at least to a large extent. If someone is willing, they can rationalize all matter of actions against non-believers AND be satisfied that their actions are in accordance with their religion. Christianity, excepting schismatic sects, does not provide such dogma as a justification.

Note: You’re cool in my book and I wouldn’t bother to type all that to someone I at least didn’t suspect was interested in reading it. Hopefully that was somewhat informative.

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Thank you for that. It demonstrates nicely how Christianity and Islam, though similar in many ways, led to different values. And different histories and circumstances of each faith have shaped how believers interpret their texts and practice their religion.

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Something crazy I recently discovered:
"'Twice as Many' British Muslims Fighting for ISIS Than in UK Armed Forces"

https://www.newsweek.com/twice-many-british-muslims-fighting-isis-armed-forces-265865

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/08/21/islamic-state-americans-british/14384045/

https://www.thetimes.com/article/hundreds-more-uk-muslims-choose-jihad-than-army-l38256qqxx3

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Thanks for those links. It's yet another reason to be concerned about the spread of Islam in the U.K. and Europe at large.

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Too many people are scared to call out Muslims extremism because they don't want to come off racist. I don't understand why anyone would be scared to be called racist for calling out Muslim extremism. There's a reason "extremism" is said.

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Yes, I'm well aware. I used to be one of those, then I decided to just lean into it and now I'm a racist and proud. I have no problem with calling out the pavement apes, the Beaners, the Heebs, the Orientals, and the Camel Jockeys. Being racist is liberating.

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Most of Europe was living in the Dark Ages when Muslim Civilization reigned. Muslims improved Spain and other parts of Europe by building libraries, increasing literacy, building free hospitals for all, adding to knowledge in medicine, science, agriculture, mathematics, etc.. Furthermore, works by Plato, Aristotle and other Greeks would have been unknown if the Muslims hadn't saved and translated them while Europeans were destroying them.

Muslims taking over Europe would likely be a vast improvement once again.

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How brave of him. He's muslim himself and I wonder how some of the other extremist muslims consider him now. Will they issue a fatwa on him for saying this?

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"He's muslim himself"

No, he faked being a Muslim for public perception due to business reasons.

“When in Rome”

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He may have faked it but other muslims may be convinced he's a real one. And for Tate that might be a potential problem.

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