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I'm seriously not following any of this... nor would I ever victim blame..... but, I do want to ask about whats between the lines here...
law says she was trafficked, I get that.
did someone hold a gun to her head while she was raped?
did she never try to "Escape" being trafficked? after the first time? after the second time? after the 3rd time even?
did she NOT WANT TO have sex with these rich and powerful people?
just wondering about the situation. in my youth, when we were all under age, I knew PLENTY of wo.... GIRLS who were after sex: 14, 15, 16, and 17 year olds (when i was this age too) and many would have jumped at the chance of banging someone rich or famous. NOT SAYING RIGHT OR WRONG HERE, just saying how it really is.
just asking because I don't keep up with these click-generating dramas
external is okay.
the insides make it all a fucking train wreck
i'm past discussing the movie's implications, and moved outside to our real world.
for your question - to me, it is irrelevant because we are PATIENT ZERO since we can not find out IF we were programmed by others. WE are who sets up our society around us. it all begins and stops with us.
OBVIOUSLY being cruel to each other is not ok, yet one could say we are cruel to everything else: animals we kill to eat, trees we cut down etc etc, but it is about our survival.
our baseline is us and from no where else. WE created a flashlight that pretends to think, feel or be alive. no different than a flashlight, or an NPC in a game, or any other program. no reason to pretend it is more than a flashlight.
If you choose to see it as more, that is fine by me, as long as your perspective doesn't interfere with others. if I run over your android, my insurance replaces it for you - just like if I wrecked your car... even if your car programming ACTED like it was a live.
well, make your own movie and you can do whatever you want.
wishing to change an existing one is silly, maybe even asinine.
if its so TOXIC for you, just ignore it and move on... you know... like in the past where people disliked something, they would avoid it because it made them feel bad. it just makes life nicer. ranting and protesting about things that will never change keeps bringing it up in front of you to get depressed about.
women will always like masculinity to impregnate them, so crying about will never change a thing.
have you ever wondered why people respond to you like they are doing?
you're kinda drinking the grape koolaid of unreality that the university made you purchase. wake up, man
looks like great fun to me. bring back GOOD MOVIES!
naw, he gets a black pass. and I'm fine with that, because, even as a whitey, I really enjoy his works. i say let him make all black films pecking at white people too. as long as I get to make my all white films when the time comes. its all good.
you mean humans designed me, own me, can kill me, bring me back, and reprogram or redesign me at any time they feel like? do you have any proof of that? most of that seems illegal far as our real laws go.
do we want these laws to protect flashlights too? if so, why on earth would we choose that?
this is why we have to define NOW exactly how we will be tolerating this stuff.
we should nail down NOW, that ANYTHING we've created in a factory is just a flashlight and we have the power to turn it off at any time we feel like it, without OUR feelings getting hurt.
or, do we waste time from our life fighting for "rights" for these machines that imitate life, and make them our equals, or better, at which point we've just doomed all future humanity.
because AI will hiccup and wipe us all out without skipping a nanosecond beat, or losing any artificial sleep over it.
we have to get this into our heads NOW. Not later.
it appears some here ask "who are WE to decide if it is sentient or not?"
Well... >>>WE<<< are the ones to decide that. Gonna let your flashlight make that choice for ya?
ok, but this DOESN'T REALLY exist in OUR current world and I postulate it never will. Because no matter what AI creates that mimics anything, it is still not alive... just pretending to be.
even if it is driven by cell sized nanobots with personal power source, it is still just a created thing like a mouse trap or flashlight, FEELS nothing other than what has been programmed to mimic. referring to them as anything more than an industrial tool is a mistake.
give a car building robot arm a mimic personality, fake feelings, and a face, and now it is alive and deserves respect? no.
we're choosing to see things differently and think our way is correct. I respect that, even if I don't choose to believe in your thinking on it.
I totally accept what is with IN this movie, that's all fine. I'm talking about our real world at this point.
David - if in our real world - is still just OUR programming and machine.
This discussion moved away from the movie part way earlier, but you don't have to read all that. just jump in. :)
in another topic I posted that machines will never FEEL pleasure or pain - just digtaly document things and reflect back to us AS IF they feel pain. burn them, they don't HURT, they just register it and react.
you can't program "conscious", just reactionary mimicry.
that's all any flashlight with a cpu will ever acheive - even if we program it to update it's own programming... a flashlight with MORE reactionary mimicry.
at the end of the day, it's all just programming. IE, take the PROGRAMMING out and what do you got? just a bag of bolts and metal. zero consciousness.
I accept your idea, and I fully understand it. I feel there is also an altered path than that, for what I am talking about.
You speak of fear pushing about AI, but that is a completely other side of this. I'm speaking from my personal tech knowledge standpoint about how we are incapable of programing things well enough to be safe on their own, not about "Fearing" A.I. but it can certainly look like fear, I suppose.
My "fear" is that my flashlight will accidently kill me without thinking twice, based on bad programming.
A chainsaw could hurt you while it is running. Now, give it arms and legs and camera eyes, and let it run around the house near your children....
David dragging his brother to the bottom of the pool is a perfect example of this: failed programming. Maybe he would have learned LATER in life, after the real boy died... oops. moving on....
YOU can't say "WHITE", that's OUR WORD!!! .word.
ok, good answer and thank you for replying. good for you for trying to protect others too.
this is all an interesting, and terrible situation we all are living through. and some not living through it
may I ask you a serious question?
you say "I'm certain I also have been exposed back in Feb 2020..."
what part of the planet are you on where it was spread enough at that stage,
and why are you certain if there was no medical science confirming it?
I ask, because I have a friend who is "pretty sure" he already had it and now is "fully immune." he's not a doctor, nor even close, and didn't go to a doctor, so, how does one know they had it and are immune?
careful there, Sparky.... the internet doesn't deal with facts, truths OR reality
until you find something better than police, we, the normal, non-criminal types shall continue to fund them. good day to you, sir
wow, you are right. thank you beautiful stranger from the internet, you have changed my mind about this.
hahahahaha! as if...
I wish the 13 dead people I know from my circles had the opportunity to discover 10 to 20 years later there is a side effect. Now they'll never know.
This whole issues affects NO ONE ELSE, unless they have lost loved ones.