Most of it is about controversy of each film, and how The Mandalorian isn't.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2019/11/30/star-wars-fans-arent-arguing-about-the-mandalorian-and-its-weird/
That's because Favreau made The Mandalorian visually resemble the original trilogy that every fan likes. The prequels and sequels don't even bother trying. They look like shit.
shareThe sequels have too much visual resemblance to the OT.
shareThat's what it really is. Fans wanted to see the OT with All the rest of the movies ....this show is ok....but not that great....lots of fan service ...from OT Stormtroopers to the yoda like character.....
Theres also little to none injected SJW/Feminism so far, its just a western in space, what Star Wars excels at.
shareKnocking on wood, knocking on wood...
shareEvery female character in the show criticises the Mandalorian's choices at some point or another.
Three words "rebel shock trooper", who we've never seen (all the rebel troops seen prior to this looked like wimps "Help us!!" ) are the "good writing" that prevents the usual dudebros from getting their panties in a knot at the first female recurring character kicking Mando's ass the moment they meet.
Good point, I wrote that 2 months prior and only a few episodes in I believe.
shareJust goes to show that all the "diversity" complaints are just from people who can't articulate why they didn't like things. If they like things they don't praise the diversity of the cast. But if they don't like it they blame diversity. And then all the twats who can't wait to have a go at "diversity" join in.
Morons.
The truth is that Mandalorian is close to the ST than just about anything else in Star Wars, the OT included. But that doesn't compute with them so "Diversity!!!!"" Grrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!
I can think of at least three factors at play here:
1. The show is on Disney+, so most of the people watching it aren't anti-Disney, as they are paying for Disney's streaming service. By itself, that doesn't eliminate the chance for controversy, as plenty of people will hate on a movie or show they've never seen, but it at least eliminates some of the insta-haters from the discussion.
2. The lead isn't female or black. True, he's Chilean, but that's white enough for a lot of people, and the mask goes a long way in keeping him neutral. This may sound funny, but when it comes down to it, nearly all the hate for the new films has been based on females and non-whites in lead roles.
3. It's excellent in a retro way. The Force Awakens is undeniably a masterpiece, at least in the same way the earth is undeniably round. Some people will deny anything. But The Mandalorian is excellent in a very 1970s way that harkens back to Star Wars, albeit with more action set pieces and better special effects.
The black lead and female lead thing is utter nonsense, Sci-Fi fans have enjoyed black leads and female leads prior to Force Awakens for DECADES, no one made race an issue when the likes of Snipes or Smith starred in Sci-Fi films back in the 90’s, no one made gender an issue when the likes of Weaver or Hamilton starred in Sci-Fi films back in the 70’s and 80’s.
People have issue with the politics injected into today’s movies, its nothing to do with race or gender, back then we enjoyed movies for the story and spectacle, it didn’t matter to us what colour or sex an actor was unlike later generations who see identity politics everywhere.
The hate for the new films comes down to forced unneeded politics, disrespecting the old characters and stories whilst giving all the glory to a Mary Sue who did little to earn it.
We live in different times. When a movie like Alien came out, a female lead in an action film was such a novelty that no one batted an eye. Something like that, or Blade, or any film with a non-white or non-male lead was a rarity, and something that happened once every few years, if that often. When it did, it was seen more as tossing a bone to "those people," not something expected, and it was certainly not the case that anything remotely close to equal representation was happening.
Consider what you wrote-- you claim it isn't about the color or gender, it's "forced unneeded politics." What politics have you seen in the new Star Wars films? There haven't been any politics injected into Star Wars, but saying that sounds better than saying "injecting all the girls and blacks into Star Wars."
When the first trailer for The Force Awakens dropped, the response was overwhelmingly positive. The only negativity one heard was from the same small, loud contingent that's still complaining today, and their complaint was "you can't have a black stormtrooper!"
And of course you bring up the soundly debunked Mary Sue nonsense. If you want to talk about respecting old characters, what better way than to have Rey's journey parallel Luke's. Sure, we've been given a much deeper look into who she is and what makes her tick than we ever got with Luke, she has a backstory that makes what she does far more sensible, and we've seen her undergo far more rigorous and intense training than he ever did, and her initial foray into the Force was more believable than his, but for the most part they're the same-- someone who know little (Rey) or nothing (Luke) about the Force, but in whom it was strong, and who was able to harness it and do amazing things while still a novice.
The only negativity one heard was from the same small, loud contingent that's still complaining today, and their complaint was "you can't have a black stormtrooper!"That was due to the misconception that all stormtroopers were supposed to be Jango Fett clones than anything to really do with race.... share
It’s rather naive to view any opposition of political correctness in movies as racist, people of many differing creeds, sex and race can and do oppose political correctness in films and pop culture.
Mary Sue Rey has not been debunked, that’s just your opinion, not fact.
I'm not equating political correctness with racism. I'm pointing out that there is no political slant or agenda in the new Star Wars films. What you are identifying as "forced politics" is casting a woman and a black man in starring roles.
shareNo that's in your head, forced politics in new Star Wars is not casting a woman and a black man in starring roles, I did not state that anywhere.
Disney Star Wars uses its badly written female lead to the detriment of all other characters, crapping on old established characters along the way, and being perfect in every way, she is not disliked by many because she is a female lead but I and others view her as a near perfect Mary Sue pushed into Star Wars by third wave feminism.
Twice I've asked-- what politics do you see in the new Star Wars films? It sounds like you're saying the politics are a female lead, even though you just got through saying the problem isn't the female lead.
shareNo you havent asked you just assume, re read my last post, third wave feminism in answer to your question, but you don't see that yourself.
shareAgain we're back to your complaint being "female lead."
shareYoure a broken record, its not that she's a lead.
shareThen what is it? Where is this "third wave feminism" you think is being forced on audiences?
shareDisney Star Wars uses its badly written female lead to the detriment of all other characters, crapping on old established characters along the way, and being perfect in every way, she is not disliked by many because she is a female lead but I and others view her as a near perfect Mary Sue pushed into Star Wars by third wave feminism.
The goalposts are just going to endlessly move...thats the problem with these morons. It's only about the narrative or else.
shareThe morons moving the goalposts are those trying desperately to justify their hate for the new films without admitting that it stems from their inability to accept females or non-whites in lead roles. There's no narrative, there's no politics.
shareHe was talking to me kid, You really are a special kind of stupid, people have enjoyed black and female leads in action/sci-fi/horror films for decades, but lets not let facts get in the way of your flawed logic, just repeat the same crap over and over until more of us ignore you.
You’re like a record player stuck in a loop. A hateful moron.
Notorious, you'll probably be surprised to hear that you, with your pseudo-argument, are the real moron here.
"badly written female lead"
"crapping on old established characters"
"being perfect in every way"
If you don't have solid examples, this is where you are supposed to shut up.
Yeah, he acts like a teenage boy refusing to listen to any opinion other than his own, shouting down anyone that differs from his set opinion, a mad lefty in the making. His hatred of white males is quite disturbing actually.
shareYour hatred of anyone else is revolting.
shareI've just wasted 30 mins reading your hateful posts, I tend not to use the ignore button too often but for you I gladly will, welcome to Movie Chat...and goodbye!😁
sharemrbnk is racist. That is all that needs writing.
share... said the cry baby who thinks only white male protagonists are entitled to do amazing things in movies.
shareI am here to stay, you are free to go :)
shareAssuming Rey is a "badly written female lead," how is that feminism or politics? That would be poor writing. Are male-led action films that feature overly powerful or poorly-written male leads examples of male-centric politics being forced down our throats?
Moreover, I think you're grasping at straws. Rey is not badly-written, or perfect, or, to use the favorite nonsense term of the detractors, a "Mary Sue." She's a very deeply fleshed out, well-written character with strengths and weaknesses, flaws and fears, and doesn't fit what you're saying at all. The fact that you ARE saying it demonstrates that you have a problem with her gender, plain and simple. One must look no further than Luke Skywalker to find an underdeveloped, poorly written, everything-goes-his-way, whiny lead character, but I doubt you'll say Star Wars was forcing a political agenda because of it.
There you go again, stated your opinion as fact but with no examples to back it up, that Rey is a very deeply fleshed out, well-written character with strengths and weaknesses, flaws and fears is absolutely hilarious, thanks for the laughs kid!
When we first met Luke, he's an idealistic farm boy living on a desert world. He knows how to do basic repairs on droids and more advanced repairs on vehicles and farm equipment. He's also got a speeder he knows how to drive and, we're later told, can fly air vehicles that are similar enough to an X-Wing that he's able to fly those, too.
He knows nothing of the Force, but after a series of brief conversations with Ben, he's able to get hit less often by blasts from a training sphere.
By the end of the movie, facing defeat, he learns to trust the Force and blows up the Death Star, saving the day. He's a hero to the rebellion.
By the time Empire rolls around, he's become a bit cocky. Thankfully, the whole movie is a series of defeats. He gets captured and severely injured by the wampa (escaping only after using the Force, and again in a life or death situation, and only barely using it). Then in the Battle of Hoth, he's shot down, his co-pilot dies, and he barely escapes.
The action moves to Dagobah. There he's twice humiliated by Yoda (first for his presumptive attitudes, and second after whining about his X-Wing). Then he ignores Yoda's advice and goes into the Cave of Unpleasant Visions. Finally, he ignores advice from Yoda and Ben, goes off to Cloud City, and gets his ass handed to him by Vader. By the time this movie ends, he's missing a hand, missing his best friend, the Rebellion is in tatters, he never finished his training, and he's learned that Vader is his father.
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By contrast…
When we first see Rey, she's living as a low-grade salvager on a desert planet. We're told she can fly things, and she seems to have some very basic mechanical skills. She can speak with BB8 and have conversations with it. We find out that she's got some ok combat skills, using her staff as a weapon.
Soon she's on the Millennium Falcon. The ship has been sitting derelict for years, but she's able to get in and fly it in ways that would make Solo envious. Further, she's able to conduct some fairly impressive repairs, despite the ship's systems being a challenge for Solo and Chewbacca.
By the end of the movie she has, with zero training, learned how to use the Force sufficiently to manipulate someone's mind and hold her own in a lightsaber battle against a trained, though inured, opponent.
When we meet her again, she starts her training, but immediately begins doing so well that Luke finds it frightening. She starts very quickly doing things most Jedi (apparently) never could. She has her own Cave of Unpleasant Visions moment, but it doesn't seem to make much of an impact.
Soon she leaves and ends up with Kylo who takes her to meet Snoke. Within a few moments, the two of them have killed everyone in the room (again, with her having minimal training), and survived a Force-off with Kylo.
By the end of the movie, she's saved her friends, lost basically nothing other than a mentor she didn't much like, suffered no real personal setbacks, and though the Resistance is in tatters, you'd never know it from her happy attitude.
So over the course of two movies, Luke goes from nothing to a hero to significantly humbled, and has lost nearly everything. Rey goes from nothing to a hero to still a hero, and hasn't really lost anything.
Luke has a character arc. Rey is just kind of there. There hasn't really been anything for her to overcome, other than Kylo being vaguely creepy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha_Fsc3h3w4
Whiny farm boy finds old monk, learns to blind-swordfight laser beams in minutes, and in no time flies military aircraft in the largest battle against the empire, blowing up their planet destroying super weapon. Yep, so unlike Rey.
The only difference, and the reason you are so furiously protesting, is that Rey is female and that there are now people of different ethnicities in Star Wars movies.
Not even close to what he said, that is because you didn't read it. You are prepared with your standard, you hate woman reply.
If you are not Filmbuff then you are his clone.
An example. Rey is a poorly written shallow character, has no flaws, has not suffered defeat, can do everything better than original counterparts. Thats what fans say.
What you and Filmbuff see = IThey must hate woman, no matter what is written, what is explained, what arguments people put, whih is complete nonsense. Fantasy, scifi movies of past prove this is nonsense but you don't wanna read that, you just wana keep pushing the same narrative. All you see is "Rey is a Mary Sue, that must mean they are sexist and hate woman". Which you know because both of you might as well be trolls is completely untrue and unfounded.
the type of responses I am seeing from some of these defenders such as this mrbnk are truly disturbing. It is like they are not even listening to counter points and immediately go to the most extreme of interpretations of deeply sexist and racist motivations being behind any criticism.
The funny thing about it is; every time they do this they reinforce the critics' argument. For example we say we don't like the identity politics we are seeing in Star Wars, to which they reply with some degree of 'that is because you are sexist and racist'. Which is an identity politics based charge, thus proving the critic right in the claim that identity politics is present in the films.
What identity politics? Does the fact that some humans are female make something identity politics?
shareHaving a line of shirts that says "the force is female" means it is not male is identity politics, bragging about women dominating the executive room at lucasfilm is identity politics, putting some special prestige on the racial, ethnical and sexual orientation representation in the film when it has nothing to do with the subject matter is identity politics. Calling critics of Rey and Finn, who are both poorly written characters for many different reasons, racist and sexist is identity politics. Feminism and lgbt activism are identity politics; same as arguments about white nationalism also identity politics.
Any time emphasis is placed on any kind of group identity it is identity politics.
You really are laughable. Short answer: No they are not. Wearing t-shirts with slogans are merely publicity stunts, and everyone knows hollywood executives are of a single gender: money. Luke was even worse written than Rey and Finn. And nobody is forcing you to watch a certain movie, or is going to enslave white whiny males through making scifi fantasy soap operas.
shareA publicity stunt can't be divisive? The push to try to manipulate an increase in female interest is not decisive? Alienating male fans in doing so is not divisive? are you sure you understand what the word divisive means? Are you sure you understand what group identity politics means?
Money is not a gender.
You have to be insane to think that Luke is worse written than Rey or Finn, provide some objective criteria of how you think that is possible
No one is forcing you to defend certain movies.
I don't think any white whiny males are worried about being enslaved, I think they are worried about losing any and all forms of entertainment they enjoy, which is kind of happening.
How the hell are you alienated by female protagonists in movies? You must be one hell of a snowflake. How are you divided when you are reminded that some people may be female humans?
"Money is not a gender." - Tell that to people of any executive positions.
I already gave you examples on Luke. I can't believe you are dumb enough to think that Lucas, who farted his way into the original trilogy, gave it any good thought.
No one is forcing you to be offended at movies, and whine like a cry baby in their boards.
If you are losing your precious entertainment because some people are not white and not males, eat your heart out.
I did not say I was alienated by it, I was alienated by the bad story and the crazed defenders, such as yourself. Saying the force is female specifically identifies it with one gender and excludes another. That is group identity politics and some people don't like it and perceived it had an impact in the story.
Why are you so offended by people criticizing the film? why are you offended by people being offended and feel that entitles you to be so offensive?
You have some issues and i think you make this whole thing toxic. I am done with you. You are now on my ignore list. Try to see people as being more than their group identity and be bit more open to diverse opinions.
So, you as a male feel excluded from the force? Does it hurt?
I am a white male, and you don't hear me whining. Criticize the movie all you can, but as soon as you come with that political agenda BS, don't lash out when people point how much of an tool you are.
I don't have any issues. I'm not the one constantly whining about politics, in a movie board, of a movie you didn't even like!
You are not fans, don't try to force your way to our ranks. You are whiners. You are the clone of Notorious. Luke was even cheesier than Rey is. I posted above. If you think George Lucas wrote Luke with much more thought than the characters in new movies, you are a doofus.
shareWow you are truly being an unpleasant person. Do you think you will convince anyone of anything by being this way, if you have nothing but insults and not any arguments or if all you can do in support of the character you like is attach another character; it means you have absolutely no supporting arguments for your position. And it also makes you look very low in intelligence.
shareNo, you are simply failing to position yourself as fans, when all you have is anti-female and anti-diversity insults. Did you whine about "White male agendas" when Luke destroyed the Death Star?
shareWhat have I said that was anti female? When did I insult diversity? I do not like group identity politics. I am for diversity; when there is a common goal diversity is a good thing. If there is no common goal diversity fractures into tribalism. This is a fact and you make yourself an example of it with your comments.
Luke destroying the death star was a proper build up and climax to the story. He got beat up multiple times, was insulted and belittled, failed his first lessons, failed his plan to save Leia, had to be saved by Obi-wan, Han, R2, Wedge multiple times. He was nearly shot down twice, nearly crashed twice, others (all white males) had to give their lives for Luke to get that shot off. it was an accomplishment for sure, but it took a lot of failure and sacrifice to get there. Because of that it becomes a satisfying conclusion to the narrative.
Proper build up? He learned to use the force in minutes. Rey was also saved several times, she had an even more difficult training than Luke ever had, most of the first movie was her escaping and barely avoiding death. Being a white male does not automatically make you the only owner of amazing feats.
shareWe actually do not know how much time elapsed on the falcon and he did not "learn the force in minutes" Name one identifiable force power he uses in the first film.
On the other hand Rey never recieved any training in TFA far less training in TLJ then luke had in Empire strikes back and yet in the first film uses several high end force powers and out lightsaber duels and trained opponent.
I am not white btw, I am Filipino born in Germany. If you are trying to prove that you and the the new star wars are not identity politics driven I think you just failed.
No i have not. This makes your whining even more miserable because you will never achieve what you believe is superior to your condition.
Luke learned to blind-fight on their way to Alderaan. We haven't seen much more superpowers, but force superpowers was not a thing back then. All we saw was that a farm boy not even let to Mos Eisley yesterday destroyed a planet killer superstation the next day.
You don't really believe a 70's flash-gordon rip-off is more fleshed out than today's capitalist mega industry. You are whining because the protagonist is out-performing a white male. If Rey and Luke was switched places in movies, both with still be as dumb.
Sophistry.
sharePretend I'm an idiot and please explain to me how the Mary Sue thing was debunked? Explain to me with references how and when Rey received more extensive and rigorous training than Luke? How Rey's first use of the force is more believable than Luke's? And how her backstory is more effective and providing motivation that the audience is supposed to understand?
shareI've typed this out before, and it's too much to take the time to do again. Search my old posts if you like. The short answer is-- watch the films. You see Luke wake up one day with no knowledge that the Force exists, then blow up a Death Star before bed, and later magically summon light sabers using the Force without any training whatsoever. We see Rey do what exactly? She grew up alone, fighting with a wooden staff so it isn't a stretch that she'd have basic combat skills. At one point, the light saber flew to her, seeming to have chosen her, rather than her doing anything to summon it. Along the way she's knocked out, kidnapped, rescued by Finn, and she is barely able to fight a severely wounded Kylo to a draw, when he's out to subdue her rather than kill her. Nothing she does is in any way out of line with what we've been told the Force is about.
shareST apologists are somehow worse than PT apologists.
But in the end, it is a matter of taste, not reason.
So we see Luke do some on screen force training with Kenobi, we are unsure if he received more training off-screen between scenes in the film. A point of dialogue is put in the film to show Luke is starting to learn the force. In the film we see him able to move two objects in the form of the bombs into the Death Star port, he didn't blow up the Death Star with the force he moved two objects with the force. We then see hime receive much more extensive training in ESB which we know continues off-screen.
Rey we are aware is able to fight without a strict disciplined style with staff weapons, however this seems to magically correlate to being able to fight with a bladed weapon against a trained opponent (as you said yes she might have basic undisciplined combat skills, Ren has much more than that, wounded or not that fight was much too easy for her). There is also indication that she somehow used the force to win that fight. We also see Rey, who having literally just heard about the force and having no idea what it is, use Jedi mind tricks on storm troopers, move objects and other such abilities, in the OT for specific example we see using the force is difficult and requires disciplined training.
I think this is a big problem for her character as we don't see her struggle, we see her succeed immediately and at everything. How can an audience identify with that? There's no struggle or tension with her character (or really any of the good characters in the films). So you still haven't really answered my question, you also seem to have not really paid attention to the films as we see Rey without training and having just heard about the force use multiple force abilities with a comedic ease, we see Luke with minor training move two objects into a hole with greta concentration.
We then see hime receive much more extensive training in ESB which we know continues off-screen.
Just for clarification because I think you might've misunderstood me. That is what I meant. Also just to further clarify my point (this bit isn't necessarily in response to you however but I guess you could clarify for me), does he also not receive training pre-ROTJ? Further increasing the gap in training and abilities between Luke and Rey?
share"The short answer is-- watch the films."
That's comically ironic, since you obviously didn't.
"You see Luke wake up one day with no knowledge that the Force exists, then blow up a Death Star before bed"
He was already a good pilot (he was "the best bush pilot in the Outer Rim Territories" according to Biggs) and he was already good at hitting small objects from a ship ("It's not impossible. I used to bullseye womp rats in my T-16 back home. They're not much bigger than two meters.")
On top of that, he did have some training from Obi-Wan and he also had guidance from Obi-Wan's ghost, not to mention help from Han Solo who eliminated the ship that was about to blow his ass up.
"and later magically summon light sabers using the Force without any training whatsoever."
I like how you glossed over about three years with the word "later." And yes, he did have some training from Obi-Wan in the first movie, plus a few years to practice what he'd already learned, and he still didn't have an easy time of it. Mary Sue Rey on the other hand, overpowered the "force pull" of powerful dark side force user (one powerful enough to casually hold fired blaster bolts in midair) with her own "force pull" the very first time she tried it.
"She grew up alone"
That in and of itself is extreme Mary Sue-ism. In reality, she would have been claimed as a slave pretty much instantly.
"fighting with a wooden staff so it isn't a stretch that she'd have basic combat skills."
You're an idiot. A tiny chick is no match for anyone other than another tiny chick or a child, regardless of whether she has a stick or not.
"Along the way she's knocked out, kidnapped, rescued by Finn, and she is barely able to fight a severely wounded Kylo to a draw, when he's out to subdue her rather than kill her."
She had no training whatsoever. She had never used a light saber before. Had she not been a Mary Sue, Kylo would have cut off the hand she was holding the light saber in, immediately. Also, she had been slammed against a tree and fell about 20 feet to the ground, which would have broken bones and incapacitated her had she not been a Mary Sue.
Also, she did the "Jedi mind trick" while having no knowledge of it whatsoever, and having no force training whatsoever. Luke didn't do that until his third movie, and he'd seen Obi-Wan do it in the first movie.
Also, LOL at you liking a movie made for little girls.
When he was training, all Luke did was run, run, run jump!
shareYou are correct.
It's SAYING you're going to have a black and female lead, like you MUST accept this and there will be NO white male characters, and so forth. It's propaganda but not covert. It's people telling you you must watch and must have propaganda.
That's bizarre because that is not how you do propaganda, lol.
There have been cool and powerful black and especially female characters since the 1940s.
Also, the movies have zero cool and witty dialogue. So, you have dumb looking black guy and serious looking white female (black guy white female is a cliche) saying nothing to win us over.
The Force Awakens is undeniably a masterpiece
Can you give some examples of the divisive and racist politics you see inserted into the film. I see none. What am I missing?
shareI think what many people mean by divisive and racist politics is things like Kathleen Kennedy wearing a shirt that says 'the force is female' and making it seem like having a female lead was mandatory; making it seem like a feminism based agenda was more important than story. This is then exacerbated by the fact that Rey came across as a shallow, overpowered, immediately loved and revered, never struggling to overcome and never failing character. I don't think that it was purposefully divisive, I think that is a result of hypersensitivity on the side of those that see this as divisive. In our current heated climates, any indication of things like identity politics will get a polarizing response.
In the film itself there was some examples of this, that depending on how you interpret them can make the situation worse. For example, the scene in which Rey berates Finn for pulling her by the hand was extremely on the nose (about as subtle as a sledge hammer). Or Finn's line about 'Droid, please' also a bit on the nose, or making him a janitor, or the over exaggerated "I'm in charge Phasma, I'm in charge".
Are any of these serious offenders? No. But in the hypersensitive climate, they can be perceived that way.
So what do you want? We ban female humans? In real life, i mean? It should be forbidden to be females. Or non-white.
sharehuh? how did you come to those conclusions of my meaning based on what I said? I am not even saying I agree with the perception but I understand the hypersensitivity. Wearing a shirt that says "the force is female" because it specifically is saying it is one way and not the other, or meaning the "force is NOT male". This is inherently decisive in nature.
How did you go to such an extreme from what I said?
I'm not going to an extreme, i'm just pointing out that you are dwelling in there. You keep whining and will keep posting me back because you are so offended people of different genders and ethnics dare to show their face in a movie. One has to be quite deranged to see "political/feminist agendas" in a star wars movie.
Please enlighten us, what agenda are they trying to push through?
You did not pay attention to what I was saying. I did not say that there is an actual agenda, I am saying the marketing has created a situation in which it can be perceived as being agenda driven; and not without merit.
Let us take just one example; why would the head of Lucasfilm make and wear a shirt that says "the force is female". If you can answer me this without insults and with an actual answer perhaps your points are worth considering.
So we agreed that there is not an agenda. T-shirt, as i said, may be a publicity stunt. Women don't get many executive positions, she may be trying to gain support as people in power always do. I don't know, i don't care. If she wore a simpsons t-shirt, would you whine about cartoon politics?
shareThe shirt is significant because it is divisive inheritance. You identify one group "female" and then by default exclude another by doing so "male". It may not have been the intent but it was thoughtless and can be perceived as identity politics. A simpsons shirt would not have this effect because it is not separating people by group identity. Especially in a time when people (especially white people) are hypersensitive to anything even looks like identity politics. Why at fuel to the fire? It is either because she IS agenda driven or she is utterly careless and senseless in her marketing tactics. How do you think the reaction would be if someone said "the force is white male"?
shareWhy are white people so hypersensitive nowadays? What would you like us to do to remedy that? Do you, a whiny immature scifi movie-goer, think you represent pasty white anglo-saxon males? If being reminded that humans come in different genders and colors divide you and damage your ego, you really shouldn't get outside much.
shareKeep pushing your racist rhetoric, no one is buying it.
Rey is a shit, boring character
Finn is a shit, boring character
Poe is a shit, boring character
Kylo Ren is a shit, boring character.
So am i being racist, sexist to both men, woman, white and black, that will be a stretch even for you. Plus you have no idea what race or gender i ambut go for it, twist it to match your completely one sided opinion. You are the one making it about race and gender when everyone else just states the characters are basicaly shit, boring, poorly written but in your eyes that means they must be racist and sexist.
You are a very disturbed individual.
Your clone here has been whining about identity politics and feminism and some other BS for days, and you expect us to believe your post here? Lol, you are very easy to read, and you look desperate.
"This is shit, that is shit!!1!one!1!" That is your opinion. Besides, deep, meaningful characters and lines was never Star Wars' forte, so you must've been whining for decades now.
Yeh we are clones, you have got me, how clever of you. God you are simple.
And you have been spewng your racist comments about white people back at him.
You are a vile individual. Added to ignore, you are not worth the time.
I also love the way you didn't even repy to my post because you can't.
I didn't speak of politics, feminism or aything of the sort.
I said the characters are shit and boring, end of story.
But you keep stewing in your racist rhetoric, see how far it gets you.
You had but a flimsy argument, and i replied to it the way it deserved. And, being crybabies for white male supremacy, it's ridiculous you dare call people racist.
" is shit!" doesn't deserve an answer, as it is a facade hiding the fact that you are annoyed at diversity and the fact that the protagonist is female.
"White male supremacy"
hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, you silly SJW's and your buzz words. And yes all of the characters in TFA are bland, boring and lifeless and the plot is the same damn thing as ANH, it's a bad movie and it has nothing to do with your little SJW agenda.
To introduce female leads "the right way".
Example: no one complains about Gina in the Mandalorian. Same people that complain about Rey actually cheer for the strong female shock trooper. Or the strong female mandalorian Armorer.
But you are too blind to see the difference in presentation.
Tracy Di Vincezo in On Her Majesty's Secret Service, now that is a well written, well developed strong female character. And what's even better is that she doesn't have to remind the audience of it every 5 minutes, we were smart enough to figure it out on our own.
share"The lead isn't female or black."
Complete BS, the lead is actually interesting which is why people don't have a problem with him. Playing the race card is such a cowardly move.
"The Force Awakens is undeniably a masterpiece"
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, OK now you've lost all credibility.
"The Force Awakens is undeniably a masterpiece"
Is that a joke? It's the worst Star Wars movie I've seen. I'm sure the sequels to it are even worse, but I have no intention of ever watching them; I'd rather hang out with a swarm of mosquitoes.
A movie that rehashes earlier entries in its own franchise, and which features a Mary Sue character, is obviously not even in the same universe as a "masterpiece." The Mary Sue character alone disqualifies it, and only bad writing can produce a Mary Sue character. There's no such thing as a "masterpiece" with bad writing, obviously.
Nobody talks about how f'n epic Clone Wars is either.
shareOf course fans are arguing about it. The reporters just didn't look around the various online discussion sites enough to find it.
shareMaybe because it's a good show with a decent plot, and sticks to Star Wars canon for a change.
shareFor fuck sake, I was hoping this would be an interesting topic but it went shit quickly
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