What is Moneypenny doing solving Mi6's problems? She is just a secretary. Seems to me they only included her as a major character in order to have more screen time for Black women.
shareIn this iteration she is also a former field agent.
shareThis wasn't the case before. How convenient that this became the case only when Moneypenny became Black.
shareIn the real world there are millions of these types of office jobs so the emasculated NTTD director had Moneypenny represent them by making her look more important/smart than what she would be in the real world. Which is selfish Facebook/Twitter obsessed hate mongerers. I actually ask my friends, no matter what type of job they have, if there are a few office workers who do nothing except to make their job unpleasant. Almost every person says yes, that's the case.
shareNo shit. Every movie needs to have a competent black woman and a gay male nowadays just for the sake of it...it's all so tiresome.
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shareyou've still got your extremely white , blond blue eyed nazi poster boy in the lead role ffs !
what more do you want?
No gays or nigg3rs on your tv screen right?
how many non black women and non gay men were there?
Whats the acceptable limit of gays and blacks for you?
blond blue eyed nazi poster boy in the lead role
no , he most definately isnt.
I meant he could certainly pass a crazed eugenicists test as a pure aryan if he wanted to.
To sum up: "the main character is still a white man , so why the moan about a non white side character?"
meant he could certainly pass a crazed eugenicists test as a pure aryan if he wanted to
You can't use logic and reason in internet discussions. Who do you think you are?? :)
sharewell , the OP is pretty convoluted statement
What is Moneypenny doing solving Mi6's problems? She is just a secretary.
Seems to me they only included her as a major character in order to have more screen time for Black women.
What you have there is thinly veiled (usual hate speech about blacks and women)
under the guise of questioning why a secretary is doing spy work
There was no point in him being gay and it added literally nothing to his character. No point in yet another "strong black woman who don't need no man" trope either and corny lines about ending her race made by a white guy. I have nothing against "nigg3rs" you europhobic, provoking shit, but I hate when they put those tropes for the sake of inclusion and political correctness, which are actually just covers for marxism.
The fact that just seeing a white, blue eyed man on screen makes you seethe to the point you instantly talk about him as a "crazed eugenicists test" and bring up Nazis, yet call others racist, tells me enough about you. Piss off and stop poking people with your nose.
the probem is , if they dont put black people in they wont be in .
but when they do, people like you get triggered and say :
"I hate when they put those tropes for the sake of inclusion and political correctness"
so .... when IS it acceptable for a black or gay person to be on the screen in your ideology?
Seems to me they did it to make the film, and character, more interesting, and skin color and gender don't enter into it. Plus, it's a James Bond film and she's gorgeous, so of course she's going to have plenty of screen time.
share"Seems to me they did it to make the film, and character, more interesting"
Didn't work for me, at least in Skyfall and Spectre. Haven't seen NTTD yet.
Tell me about it. Same with James Bond. What's he doing solving MI6's problems? He's just a retired agent. Seems they only included him as a major character in order to have more screen time for white men.
shareWhite men are much more likely to be field agents than Black women. James Bond is British and Britain is 87% White. You comment makes absolutely no sense.
shareIt was in direct response to what you wrote.
Your original post expressed incredulity at a non-agent helping to solve MI6's problems. I pointed out that your complaint about Moneypenny is 100% applicable to Bond. Neither he nor Moneypenny are field agents, though both once were.
One could make the point that it is more appropriate for Moneypenny to help, as she is still employed by MI6, whereas Bond has retired.
That you now realize your post was nonsense and have to change your argument from "it makes no sense for MI6 to allow non-agents to help with an investigation" to "white men are more likely to be agents than black women" is on you.
Don't say my comment makes no sense when my comment pointed out how non-sensical yours was to the extent that you had to completely change your argument. Just admit you were wrong and move on. :)
Your original post expressed incredulity at a non-agent helping to solve MI6's problems. I pointed out that your complaint about Moneypenny is 100% applicable to Bond. Neither he nor Moneypenny are field agents, though both once were.
One could make the point that it is more appropriate for Moneypenny to help, as she is still employed by MI6, whereas Bond has retired.
That you now realize your post was nonsense and have to change your argument from "it makes no sense for MI6 to allow non-agents to help with an investigation" to "white men are more likely to be agents than black women" is on you.
Don't say my comment makes no sense when my comment pointed out how non-sensical yours was to the extent that you had to completely change your argument. Just admit you were wrong and move on. :)
Let's just put it this way. There are more black women likely to be field agents than there are white men that can do what James Bond does. Realistic? Bond is like the most capable human being ever. And you think black women as field agents are unrealistic? James Bond taking down legions and legions of bad guys wearing a suit is what then?
And what is wrong with making Moneypenny a field agent? It change things up to keep the character fresh. Who cares if she is white or black in this regard?
Unrealistic action in the movie is necessity for entertainment purposes. Having a Black woman field agent isn't. There is nothing wrong with making Moneypenny field agent in isolation, but there are things wrong with promoting an ideology in movies. It isn't just No Time To Die. It's part of a new Hollywood pattern. It's everywhere. That's what bothers me. If it was just one movie, I wouldn't care.
shareI disagree. I don't think you speak for everyone. I think having Moneypenny as a field agent adds entertainment value. It makes her part of the team, with more interactions than just a stale character.
And I am not sure what ideology you are talking about. All those decades, you have invincible white men surviving legions of bad guys and with no issue. None of it was realistic. What ideology was it promoting then?
They could have easily had some other person being a former field agent and not Moneypenny. She was nothing more than a secretary that Bond flirted with. Interesting also she was never given more screen time until she became Black.
I am in loss of words how you pretend not to know which ideology is dominant in Hollywood. Like I said unrealistic action scenes are a necessity for entertainment value. Feminism is not.
But they didn't pick some other person because they chose to take her character in a different direction. Imo, a more interesting direction. Why is that a problem? Characters evolved. She was never given more screen time before because those Bond films chose to focus the time on other characters. Different movies, different direction, different scripts.
Feminism is not necessary for entertainment value, but masculism is? Do you know how many things in a James Bond film are not necessary for entertainment value? Practically all of it. Do they need Q and M and M16 and cars and women to provide entertainment? Nope. White characters are also not necessary for entertainment value right? Again, why do have an issue with strong female characters when strong male characters have been doing unrealistic things for decades?
But they didn't pick some other person because they chose to take her character in a different direction. Imo, a more interesting direction. Why is that a problem? Characters evolved. She was never given more screen time before because those Bond films chose to focus the time on other characters. Different movies, different direction, different scripts.
Feminism is not necessary for entertainment value, but masculism is
Do you know how many things in a James Bond film are not necessary for entertainment value? Practically all of it. Do they need Q and M and M16 and cars and women to provide entertainment?
White characters are also not necessary for entertainment value right?
Again, why do have an issue with strong female characters when strong male characters have been doing unrealistic things for decades?
Bottom line, they made Moneypenny into a much more active, interesting character than a secretary. You can bitch about political spectrum or feminism etc. The movie didn't suffer because of it. And you don't need Q and M and M16 to have a story. You have many different ways of telling a story. Having female agents are also a way of telling stories. I don't care what or why they did it. As long as it serves the story.
shareBottom line, they made Moneypenny into a much more active, interesting character than a secretary.
Having female agents are also a way of telling stories.
They could have done it with Q. But they didn't. They chose Moneypenny. You can bitch about ideology all you want. Doesn't change the fact that Moneypenny works well for the Craig films and her character is more interesting because of it.
shareYes and they could have done that when Moneypenny was White. But they didn't and only chose to expand on her character when she became Black. It's astonishing to me that people still deny the feminist and racial ideology of Hollywood.
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