Hate that they put the term "white privilege" into this
Really??? That exists in Gotham too?
share2 superheroes, one was born white billionaire, the other a black thief, so there is that ...
shareCatwoman was originally white, so there’s that.
shareI agree
shareoriginally? when? cause sing the 60s she has been mixed raced in various iterations. but let me guess "its da recent woke culture"
shareSince the 1940's when she first appeared, and in over 90% of her appearances since, so you guessed wrong. You don't even have to have read comics to look that up.
I don't see how her being black-washed before makes it ok now. POCs have been white-washed before and progressives never let that go.
again so it was "da woke culture" in the 1960s? she wasnt "black washed", race had nothing to do with the character in any way. it was never integral or essential to the character, hence why she's been shown as both white and mixed race multiple times>
go get triggered elsewhere with madeup victim mentality
Again, I never said anything about "woke culture of the 60s", and yes she was black-washed. I don't see it written anywhere that race-washing doesn't count if a character's skin color isn't considered essential to people like you, so that's an invalid argument.
She was white when she first appeared, and she's been white in most of her appearances; so whenever she's not white, she's race-washed. If Blade was white-washed, people who use your invalid argument would lose their shit even though technically his skin color has no baring on his character.
she was backwashed... by having 1 of the actresses play a barely established character playing her? and then subsequent writers portray her as mixed race? LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL. you do know characters change and have multiple iterations? for instance if Bruce Wayne had been portrayed first as a poor normal person, then later as a rich billionaire and he had subsequently been portrayed as both. that doesn't mean Bruce's character was "wealth washed". it just means the character has a long history of different back stories/ characteristics.
its not race washing. its a character who has a long history of being portrayed in multiple races.
"She was white when she first appeared, and she's been white in most of her appearances; so whenever she's not white, she's race-washed. "
HAHAHAH triggered snowflake mad about "da wokeness" because all his characters aren't always white
" If Blade was white-washed, people who use your invalid argument would lose their shit even though technically his skin color has no baring on his character."
NO CLOWN. if blade was 82 year old character with a long history of being portrayed as white or mixed race, no one would care or lose "their shit". only triggered people like you.
just because you mentally weak and easily triggered, doesn't mean the rest of us are. You need help for being such a weak beta male. my guess is you had a weak/ non existent father figure. and hence being triggered by cat women having been portrayed both white and mixed race for over 56 years . INCLUDING THE VERY COMIC THIS MOVIE WAS PARTLY BASED ON>
Whoo boy, you wrote a whole-ass essay, didn't you, kid? And you say I'm triggered 😄
You can project your dysfunctional family drama and low self-esteem all you want, but Selina Kyle is white, has been since her debut in the 1940s, and has been white for most of her depictions, anyone with a device and internet can look that up for themselves. Any other skin color is a race-wash. The direct follow-ups to the comic this movie is loosely based on went back to her being white, because that's what she is, and the writers knew that.
If Bruce was usually rich and at one point was portrayed as poor with no explanation, fans of Batman would criticize that. If Blade was usually black and then was portrayed as white, fans of Blade would criticize that. The fans want to see the characters they grew up with on the big screen, not strangers posing as these characters. Some changes are inevitable, but the basic details are expected to stay the same.
"Whoo boy, you wrote a whole-ass essay, didn't you, kid? And you say I'm triggered "
yes I covered the points you made........... that takes time. if I write 150 words am I "triggered"? but if I write 100 im not?
no projection, its just true. if you were raised properly you wouldn't be so weak
"has been since her debut in the 1940s,"
NOPE! I just went over this you illiterate slug. since 1940 there's been multiple mix race portrayals, from the tv show, to the animated movie, to comics!
"Any other skin color is a race-wash. "
I just went over this. reading is hard though huh?
''If Bruce was usually rich and at one point was portrayed as poor with no explanation, fans of Batman would criticize that."
it wasn't one point for Catwoman. it was many. the difference is Bruce being rich IS fundamental to his character and origin story that has become a pillar of who bruce is and why he is the batman.
whereas there has been nothing fundamental about catwomans "whiteness" that was fundamental to her character.
its why changing bruce to black is dumb. changing black panther to white is dumb. yet changing a diversely portrayed character like cat woman is normal.
"If Blade was usually black and then was portrayed as white, fans of Blade would criticize that. The fans want to see the characters they grew up with on the big screen, not strangers posing as these characters. Some changes are inevitable, but the basic details are expected to stay the same."
I already went over this retard" should I explain it for the 7th time? or did you magically attain literacy?
I just went over this. reading is hard though huh?... I already went over this retard
Yes, you went over stuff, and I countered them. Now you must go over new stuff. You must be new to discussions, huh kid?
since 1940 there's been multiple mix race portrayals
The first case of black-washing Catwoman was over 20 years after she debuted. Since then, there were a few instances of black Catwomen, and some weren't even of Selina Kyle but other original characters instead. Again, Selina was white when she started, and has been white for most of her existence. We already went over this, just because she was black-washed back then, and just because some writers seem to persist with that portrayal with her for some reason, that doesn't make it ok. share
No you didnt. you said "see its race washing!"
again a first iteration isnt set in stone. its not as if Catwoman generations fter generation after generation has been white and only recently she's been shown as mix raced. its old and been done before
"The first case of black-washing Catwoman was over 20 years after she debuted. Since then, there were a few instances of black Catwomen, but those are in the minority, and some weren't even of Selina Kyle but other original characters instead. Again, Selina was white when she started, and has been white for most of her existence. We already went over this, just because she was black-washed back then, before wokeness as we know it came about in the 2010s, that doesn't make it ok."
yes and? she has since been portrayed multiple times as mixed race. the original debut isnt set in stone. the first ever appearance isnt how a person will always look
HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH doesn't make it okay? this in charge of the show and writing the comics, who have ti as their artistic prerogative thought it was okay and it was. vs you? who are you again? you work for DC comics right?
sorry they didnt know it would trigger you so hard decades later. again, weak father figure raised a weak bitch
again a first iteration isnt set in stone.
It's the original iteration that went un-changed for over 20 years, and has been the primary iteration for 80+ years as of this post. Any change to that iteration, in this case her skin color, is a race-wash. It's ok if you don't mind the race-washing, but it is a race-wash whether you like it or not.
who are you again? you work for DC comics right?
I'm one of many loyal fans who have supported DC comics for years. People like me are the reason DC was a giant in entertainment. Without us, DC is nothing, and that's where it's heading, into nothingness, while it gets beaten at its own game by the Japanese and their superior products. share
its the first. yes and then it was changed, for the next 60 years of its existence. so 25% only white. 75% mixed race.
" and has been the primary iteration for 80+ years as of this post"
oh great so you can admit there are multiple iterations of characters that are accepted. great :) you conceded. its not race washing. its a part of its long history. 75% of that long history. again thank you for conceeding.
"I'm one of many loyal fans who have supported DC comics for years. People like me are the reason DC was a giant in entertainment. Without us, DC is nothing, and that's where it's heading, into nothingness, while it gets beaten at its own game by the Japanese and their superior products."
im sure without your individual purchases DC would be nothing. im sure since the first portrayal of cat woman as mixed race in the original show in 1967, one year after WB bought DC comics, the batman comic book sales dried up and hasn't existed since
"thats where its headed"
LOL SINCE WHEN? since 1967 you mean clown. hahahhahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahaha.
by the owners and producers of DC content who decided cat woman is white or mixed race. the owners who get to decide what happens. VS YOU. a nobody weak easily triggered loser
so 25% only white. 75% mixed race
Other way around, bud.
thank you for conceeding
Conceding what?
im sure without your individual purchases DC would be nothing
It's not just me that's abandoning DC, though. Their sales are in the toilet, which forced them to have major staff layoffs and downsizing their offices. They may decide what happens, but it doesn't matter if we're not there support them. share
wrong buddy. try again. she has been ONLY WHITE for 25% of her existence. the first 20 years. the next 60 years she has been portrayed as white or mixed race
https://www.gq.com/story/the-batman-zoe-kravitz-black-catwoman-history
LOL math is hard for you huh?? if I never owned a car for twenty years.. then I bought a car and owned it for 60 years. have I owned a car for 80 years? are you this retarded?
ohh look her character has changed massively in this time... and ti wasnt "da wokeness"
"Since her creation in the first issue of Batman (1940), the essence of Catwoman is that of an antihero with a checkered past in burglary who carries on a sexually charged love-hate relationship with the caped crusader. But over the years, writers have penned Selina Kyle as a schizophrenic, amnesiac flight attendant; a dominatrix sex worker; a morally conflicted jewel thief; a bisexual crime boss"
I love how you ignored almost all my post utterly destroying you. what a weak loser you are. save face and go away clown
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nope im talking about its history timeline, not what percent of portrayals were what race. wow reading is hard for you huh clown?
"It's not just me that's abandoning DC, though. Their sales are in the toilet, which forced them to have major staff layoffs and downsizing their offices. They may decide what happens, but it doesn't matter if we're not there support them."
AGAIN THIS HAPPENED IN 1967 the first time. there are lower comic sales in all companies basically. You are just a loser crybaby bitch. and no one cares about you
go put your frozen pizza in the over, grab your 2L of Mountain Dew, and save face and spend the rest of your pathetic day on reddit loser
It doesn't matter what you're talking about, I'm taking her entire existence into account: comics, movies, tv shows, video games. She's been white most of the time, definitely over 75%.
Comic sales are low with Marvel and DC, among other publishers, but manga is doing very well, so it's not like people aren't into reading anymore. Marvel and DC think they're too big to fail, but they are. People are leaving their crappy woke stuff for superior and more entertaining products.
And lots of people care about this. And more and more we are rejecting woke shit. As well we should.
Here we go again. If it ain't white it ain't right.
You are a clown. Fyi Matt reeves is directing another Batman film. It has been confirmed. Choke on it.
Your racism is ugly. It is valid to complain about race flipping estblished characters.
shareIs Catwoman's race essential? What about the year one comic and Eartha Kitt? Watch you will conveniently ignore these points. Your brain malfunctions when I bring up those points.
shareI don't think that race has to be "essential" for race flipping to still be a thing.
You want more black characters, write new shit with more black characters.
In my book the race has to be essential in order to have the right to complain about race swapping. Otherwise you are complaining about nothing.
Or... There is more than one way to interpret a character. The year one comic demonstrated that. Characters go through many transitions and changes in comic books. It's foolish to think there is only one way to interpret a character like that.
We are complaining about changes to beloved characters. That you don't agree, doesn't mean our complaints are not real.
It's foolish. You realize that happens in comics as well right? You realize Batman is not the exact same as he was when he was introduced to his first comic correct? So essentially what you guys are saying is there is only one way to interpret a character. You realize how foolish that is? Who decides what interpretation is allowed you? So the artist doesn't have any freedom of what they want they have to be shackled to what you guys want?
Look I have my preference but the difference is I'm not entitled like you guys are. There are many ways to interpret the characters. Some people like Batman more grounded, some like it to be more fantasy, some like it to be dark or lighthearted. Having a preference is fine but you fault a film for it not being what you would have made. A movie is a not a damn restaurant where you order a specific food off the menu. Quit being entitled. Movies are not that specific and an artist gets to interpret it how they see fit. Don't like it? Don't support it then! Thing is you will. You pay money knowing you will hate it. Who's fault is that?
Don't try to say what we are "essensially" saying. YOu are too hostile and close minded to do that.
We said what we said. Address what we said, or don't.
Don't change what we said and then hold us to the shit you made up.
I'm not being hostile that's what you are saying. So then let me ask you flat out then. Is the only way to depict Catwoman the correct way is for her to be white? If yes why was she mixed in the year one comic book?
shareNope. Not at all.
shareOk then why is it a problem when she is not white in this film?
shareBecause it is coming from a place of hate from people like you, not a place of honest creative vision with the intent of creating a cool story.
shareProve your claim. Let's see you prove Matt reeves did that as a form of hate against white people. I will wait.
shareI can see it, in the pattern of the film, it is all told from the same ideological lens, the lens that would see such a race flip, as an insult to the "bad" fans, ie fans like me.
share"It doesn't matter what you're talking about,"
NO IT DOES.i clearly stated " yes and then it was changed, for the next 60 years of its existence. so 25% only white. 75% mixed race." because that was MY POINT. you dont get to say "no thats not true im changing what you said to mean my point instead" and change the meaning of what I said because you want to push a different point. you sound mentally unstable. you are welcome to make that other point or argue why that is more important than mine. but dont tell me im wrong because you invented shit in your head that you want what I said to mean you fucking nut job. you are this unstable buddy. its no surprise eating pizza and Mountain Dew nonstop you are a loser slob with diabetes. it would affect your mental health too.
"People are leaving their crappy woke stuff for superior and more entertaining products."
yaa people arent into reading as much period, woke or not.. many can get their superhero fix in games and movies. The Batman hit 800 billion box office. its a massive success. where's all these people leaving The Batman because some little bitch like you cried Catwoman is mix race as she's been shown to be before
NO IT DOES. because that was MY POINT
It doesn't matter because it doesn't reflect reality. And yelling about it like a child doesn't change anything either.
The Batman hit 800 billion box office
In what universe, kiddo? 😄 It made $770 million, which isn't bad, but it under-performed compared to previous movies with Batman. One of its spin-offs was cancelled, and with Ben Affleck coming back, don't be surprised if The Batman is a one-and-done. share
yes it does. its reality that for 75% of its existence beggining with Kat it has been portrayed as both white and mixed race. its also true its overwhelmingly been presented as white in comics and shows.
you are mentally unstable. you are literally denying reality because you are such a pathetic person.
whoops you are right it hit 770 million of course. see what I did there. I admitted a mistake. its called manning up, something you are incapable of doing
YA the DCEU is a mess not because wokeness, but (in a short version) because they tried to rush and get that MCU money, without understanding how the model was so successful and why it got that money. they did 1 solo film then an ensemble teacup where superman dies. thats like the MCU did ironman 1 then skipped to Endgame.
you are a pathetic little rat man. I feel sorry for anyone who has to interact with you and what a little lying bitch you are. how trash is your life? overweight and a weak easily triggered nerd loser.
Lol Matt reeves just signed a deal for a sequel to the film. Looks like there will be a sequel after all. Choke on it.
Oh and the batman has been the most profitable Batman film since the dark knight rises. Not every Batman film has to make avengers type money in order to be considered a box office success.
Eartha Kitt got to play Catwoman because of her incredibly sexy legs and nothing more but Julie Newmar will always be the real Catwoman.
sharePOCs have been white-washed before and progressives never let that go.
er, when?
When were POCs white-washed, or when did people complain about it? Both are odd questions. Unless you're trolling or being sarcastic, there's no way you've been on the internet this long without knowing about that by now.
shareUsing the term black-washed makes you sound like a retard.
shareBut not the term white-wash? Do you see the hypocrisy in that? The double standard?
share"one was born a white billionaire, the other a black thief..."
The other was born a thief?
As far a privilege is concerned, that's billionaire privilege, not white privilege.
Very few became thief because it was fun, most of them started due to poverty.
2 superheroes one was born white and rich, the other black and poor.
That is one of the quintessential examples of white privilege, besides having to worry about being harassed and shot by the police.
Ok so if he was black and rich then it wouldn't be privilege LOL!!!
share So being born a billionaire and white is a sign of white privilege? Are there whites that are born poor? Blacks that are born into wealth? It has very little to do with skin color privilege .. more to do with class privilege
I think the entire concept of white privilege is bizarre - worse yet is the examples people give of it lol
It is class privilege, but being black and poor I think is worse due to perception by the police, etc.
There is of course black privilege as well, if you were born into wealthy black family and did well in school, for example it is much easier to get in some good colleges.