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can shills FINALLY admit


this MSheU has been an unmitigated disaster? who would have guessed poorly developed, Btier characters, with horrible performances like from Brie would not be nearly as popular or well loved as the previous phases! it turns out shitting on men isnt a smart strategy! who woulda guessed it!

the only actually decent MCU movies recently have all be past well developed male characters (spiderman, Guardians). that must be mens fault too?

https://www.gq.com/story/the-marvels-trailer-brie-larson-backlash-trolls

"Of Course Men Already Hate The Marvels"

Even back in April, men had to be blamed and shamed.

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I don't think anyone is denying it at this point, if you look around online the response to this movie is overwhelmingly negative.

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They are just milking it for all they can before it goes tits up. That's just normal business.

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it is just weird because they CAN develop amazing characters, men and women, and do an astounding interconnected storyline.. which has made them far far more money.


its like they care more about proving a point than making money.

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Name all the times Marvel 'shit on men'.

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you get none of my intelectual effort and time after lying about me then running away when called out.

it doesnt matter what anyone says anyways, the response from you is always "you are just an incel right winger"

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You can't name one instance of Marvel 'shitting on men' and you know it.

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you are the left wing version of TVfan. you name call slander. and after saying horrible things about people you simply flee.

https://moviechat.org/tt10545296/The-Hunger-Games-The-Ballad-of-Songbirds-and-Snakes/64e6540b9ca8854609ae2939/Are-people-gonna-hate-brigade-this-because-it-stars-Rachel-Zegler?reply=65492b5b4bafc912fed2dbdf

just like you did here. it is far easier to name call and say disgusting things about people when you arent accountable?

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that is their best/only offense/defense because they are blinded to true reality in life and live in their dilusionary safe space that isn't even real. its so sad and pathetic. and we all need to stop enabling them, before reality eats them up and spits them out. then again, maybe that will be what it takes.

"Progressive" now means hypocritical blinders. and they don't even know it. one would think when enough people parrot these same truths at them, they'd get the hint and re-evaluate. but no.

normal people "dont touch that stove it's hot"
progressive "DON'T YOU RESPRESS MY FEELINGS
[SSSS! Burns hands on stove]
Progressive "YOU ARE A HATER INCEL! WHERE'S MY SAFE SPACE AWAY FROM THES VIOLENT WORDS?

bunch of pussies. the world will eat them alive. oh well. we tried.

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"you are just an incel"


This is one of the most overused buzzwords by your typical low-IQ leftist soyjack online.

The funny thing is, nothing makes a woman's pussy drier than simping male feminists like HelloSidney. I'd bet my last dollar that the last time he touched a pussy was when his mother was giving birth to him (although even that is debateable, since he's so full of shit, he could've come out of her back door instead).

People like HelloSidney get off more from getting pegged or watching their woman (if they ever get one) get ravaged by real men. Can't say if it's sad or funny (probably equal parts of both) that they simp for women who despise them.

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According to GQ, men won't like this movie simply because it has female leads. Can you imagine the backlash if Expendables 4 blamed man hating women on its poor performance? Everyone would laugh at the notion, and certainly a fairly major website wouldn't even entertain putting an article out there.
https://www.gq.com/story/the-marvels-trailer-brie-larson-backlash-trolls

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i am consistent when it comes to these things and would condemn both (if that happened for the expendables)

unfortunately i am surrounded by partisans and extremists like HelloSIdney who will just slander anyone who dares not follow the same script as themselves.

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yeah, I've already called out hellosidney for their obvious pandering to a flawed product and actress. They didn't feel inclined to reply for some reason.

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https://moviechat.org/tt10545296/The-Hunger-Games-The-Ballad-of-Songbirds-and-Snakes/64e6540b9ca8854609ae2939/Are-people-gonna-hate-brigade-this-because-it-stars-Rachel-Zegler?reply=65492b5b4bafc912fed2dbdf

it appears Hellosidney loves to say disgusting things about people then leave. they to slander others and scream "incel" at anyone who slightly disagrees just like tvfan screams "woketard". they are one in the same. just opposing sides

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I guarantee it's a previously banned account. There is some familiarity to their posts.

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The difference is;
- Women have never cared for macho action flicks.

- Women aren't actively celebrating or hoping for those flicks to fail. They're simply not on their radar at all. Did you see a bunch of radical feminists complaining about Expendables 4?

- Everyone knows who the target demographics for those movies are and there is no active misandrist campaign against those movies. So of course if they blamed women everyone would laugh at them because everyone knows the movie isn't marketed for women at all.



Contrast that to;
- Marvel being a big franchise, popular amongst everyone, including men. Many men profess to love superhero/comic book movies. So why does one movie having women as the superheros bother them so much? The answer is blatant. Misogyny.

- Men actively hoping this movie flops because it's 'woke' or 'shitting on men' (how???). Many are now celebrating it's upcoming box office flop. Name me one time women online collectively wanted a movie to flop because it was a movie made for men. The only times I've seen women collectively want a movie to fail is when it stars an actor who has serious sexual abuse/assault allegations against him. Even then there is no brigading done (spamming 1/10 ratings on IMDb and so on).

- Men crying that Marvel is now the 'MsheU'... outright openly complaining about women being in Marvel movies. Yet people will claim they're not misogynists when their sole critcism for this movie is that it stars women.



People who can't see the difference in how men react to movies made for women and vice versa, are being purposely ignorant. It's not women running around the internet shitting on anything made for men, complaining that movies feature men. It's always the alt right incels who complain when a movie stars women, non-white people or non-heterosexuals. It's a one way conflict. Misogynists/racists/homophobes complaining every time a movie isn't made for straight white men.

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I don't take you seriously in the slightest. I've already seen your obtuse logic at play. I certainly didn't read this diatribe, because you've shown you can't have a balanced perspective, so it simply would be a waste of time.

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"It's not women running around the internet shitting on anything made for men, complaining that movies feature men."
Are you serious :D

Theres soooo much complaining about too many men or white men in movies or not enough women in this and that movie and blabalabala intersectioanality and joker was about an angry white man and this woman didnt have enough lines in The Irishman or Margot Robbie didnt have lines in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood yadi-yadi-ya...

Obviously you ignore all that in your feminazi bubble ;)

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A woman didn't have enough lines in The IRISHMAN?? Jesus, it was what?? 4 Hours long??

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/DFEVkzON0U8

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facts

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It has less to do with female characters and more to do with the fact that the quality has decreased significantly.

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If that's what people were complaining about then fair enough but all the complaints seem to be centered around the 'MsheU' and inane ramblings about how Marvel is for boys and that girls will never like it, that Marvel is 'woke' and pushing a feminist agenda and so on.

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thats what they've been complaining about this entire time.you probably coulndt hear it over you constantly screaming "incel!" at them! thats what my post literally says. and instead you had to strawman it.

lets list off new characters. with a straight face please tell me they are even 1/2 the quality of the previous MCU heroes.

-SHe hulk
-Monica Rambeau
-Captain Marvel
-SHuri
-AMerica Chavez
-Riri Williams
-kate bishop
-G'iah

notice how all the old actually well developed female characters are still largely loved and praised like
-Gamora
-Scarlet witch
-Black widow

Even by these people you call incels! its incredible they can turn their sexism off like a switch and like strong female characters! but when they dislike poorly fleshed out new ones they are all of a sudden mysognists

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Difference
- gross generalization about women how dare you! thats sexist according to you no?

- movies like the expendables, and male actors, do not come out and shit on women. These people have drummed up their own controversies and reep what they sow.

-again they do not come out and attack women. if male actors said even 1/2 of what Brie or Zeggler or Elizebeth Banks did against women of course they would.


COntrast
-no one has ever said this once? you are strawmanning what peoples issues are

-yes see my comments above about reeping what you sow and male actors not saying things about "horrible women" the way these controversial acctresses have. Also Johnny Depp? your memory that bad?

- yes i am complaining almost every single good character has been replaced. Show me the amazing female MCU characters they have created? which ones? its not because i dislike women, i love women. its becuase you gave us crap and then called us mysogonists for not liking crap.

people cant see the difference because you strawman, misrepresent and purposely evade real criticism in favor of setting up what others say to fail. of course you cant see it!

oh and there we do again

"Incels, non-white people or non-heterosexuals.Misogynists/racists/homophobes , straight white men"

fit as many buzzwords as you can in there! thatll subsitute for an actual arguement!

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Did you even read the GQ article you linked? It doesn't say what you seem to think it says. The point it makes is inarguably true: there are a number of men who hate the new MCU film The Marvels simply for what it is. They haven't seen it, and never will, but they are lashing out at it for purely political reasons.

Of course, your post makes it clear you are one of those angry men. Why? What about the film bothers you so much that you feel a need to post diatribes against it? And while I'm asking questions, what exactly is this "MSheU" you mention? The Marvels will be the 33rd MCU film, and only the 3rd with a female protagonist. Is that really so bothersome to you?

Then you go on to accuse Marvel of "shitting on men." How, exactly? By making a movie about a female comic book character? God forbid!

I'm male, and I don't feel insulted or shat upon. If it's a great film, I'll applaud it and be happy. If it's a lousy film I'll wish it had been better and move on to the next one.

Why does a movie fill you with such rage?

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I'm a man. I don't HATE it, I just don't have any interest in it at all.
- power women doesn't fit relatability, especially when they have done nothing to earn their ability or suffered for it
- it LOOKS like a chick flick: bunch of women on the cover, some kind of silly "after school special freaky friday body switch plot"?

I, and many men, don't see the appeal.
Aren't the WOMEN suppose to step up and support this stuff? What's that? Oh, they generally dont spend as much on movies as guys do? Darn those stats, facts, and realities. What about MY FEELINGS???? We'll get them all equalized someday! :D

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exactly

they make a movie not for men (even though we are the biggest comic book movie fans. they complain "this wasnt made for you males thats why you dont like it (like Brie did)". then complain when mendont see it. and not only complain they didn't see it, and say it was due to misogny and sexism. rinse and repeat.

im damned if i do damned if i dont. according to them i have to support their utter shit, and if i dont or voice complaints, im a sexist

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And an incel. Don't forget you are an incel too. : D

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“I’m a man.” You’re assuming facts not in evidence.

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wait! are we questioning what a "man" is now? like we do with what a woman is? Are we that braindead? :)

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i dont hate it. im also a progressive and left winger.

but i can understand people sick of being told they are horrible mysoginistic bigots and the backlash. whether its by people like you, or people like rachel zeggler talking down to the audience.

where am i full of anger and rage? i called a spade a spade. when your main character comes out and complains about "old white men" and people feel insulted. and your response is "you are full of hate! how dare you!" you are just living in your own bubble.

imagine i said in any context that we dont need "I don't need a 40-year-old black woman to tell me what didn't work about etc"

its unwinnable.

they make a movie not for men. they complain "this wasnt made for you males thats why you dont like it (like Brie did)". then complain when men, by far the biggest demographic of comic book fans, dont see it. and not only complain they didn't see it, say it was due to mysogny and sexism. rinse and repeat.

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Who have I called misogynistic or a bigot? No one. I based my reply upon your post, in which, despite having not watched the film, you label it as poorly developed, and filled with actors giving horrible performances. You reference nonsense like an "MSheU" or Marvel "shitting on men," none of which has any basis in reality, and finish by linking to a GQ article that says nothing remotely close to what you purport it to say. Now you're saying Captain Marvel complained about "old white men?" I must have been using the restroom during that scene, because I don't remember that happening.

I have no idea where politics factor into this, and see no bubble around me. I'm basing my opinion on reality. Both Captain Marvel and The Marvels are fun, well-made films, devoid of any political statements whatsoever, and in no way attack men, or demean anyone. They are geared for men every bit as much as was Iron Man or any other MCU film, and most men enjoy them.

I've met literally no one, male or female, in real life who didn't thoroughly enjoy the first Captain Marvel film, and nearly everyone considers it one of the better MCU films. Yet, online there is this loud, angry minority who bitch and whine incessantly about things that don't exist, just like you're doing. To hear you, you'd think everyone hated it, despite it earning billions and overwhelming critical and audience acclaim. It's as if you think there is some battle going on, a battle you call "unwinnable," despite the fact that no one is battling back. It's you, and a handful of other angry people, shouting into a void. But there is no battle. These are films, made for anyone and everyone to enjoy. If you don't like them, watch something else.

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Of course they can't. A lot of them are stupid and have the mentality of arrogant, spoiled children that don't ever want to admit they were wrong about why these films from Disney have sucked so bad. Rather than blame the assholes at Marvel Studios for making terrible films that are badly-written and insult the paying customers, they blame the PAYING CUSTOMERS for not liking a shitty product.

Honestly, if any other business ran things the way Disney has, they would be filing Chapter 11 within a year. You don't blame customers for YOUR bad product; you throw away the bad product and make something the customers want, that's how it's always been since commerce was invented.

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^This exactly!

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This was a failed experiment, poorly done. Larson could not carry it across the finish line.


If anyone's interested, I reviewed the movie on my youtube channel. Appreciate any feedback. Trying to improve -https://youtu.be/Gg1nWcxSPcs

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