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Vaccines are simple to understand, I don't understand Anti-Vaxxers


As I've always understood it, a vaccine injection introduces a weakened version of the virus so that your body's antibodies (defence mechanism) can fight it easily and LEARN HOW TO BEAT IT, so that if your body gets invaded by a stronger form of the virus, they're better able to defeat it because they've had experience with the weakened form in the vaccine already.

So why do Anti-Vaxxers not understand this? Why do they think it's a form of population control and to cull a proportion of the population? It's just silly to me.

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Because it is all about politics for them. It has nothing to do with science or even reason. If Trump were still president and pushing for the vaccine they would all be up for it.

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Exactly. Even Trump got the vaccine but he's not publicizing it because he doesn't want Biden to get the credit. Which also makes no sense since it was funded under his administration.

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Kinda like when Kamala and Joe specifically said they wouldn’t take it while Trump was president.

Your ignorance is showing. Time to pull your head out of your ass lemming.

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Trump is now extolling the virtues of the vaccines. He's even requiring the employees of his company to get it. Apparently no one is allowed near him until a doctor clears them. The doctor is on staff specifically for this purpose.

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Which virtues of the vaccines? The crap is not working. There are as many people getting infected since the crap appeared as in the year before.

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any company over 100 employees is required to get the vaccine, thats from dementia Joe. Trump has to follow the law given by dementia Joe.

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You mean like how Kamala Harris and several blue check marks on Twitter refused to get the "Trump Vaxx" then as soon as Biden was installed they changed their tune?

I don't care who the President is my position hasn't changed, I'm never getting the vaxx

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Curious are you “two new members” sitting in the same basement. I think moms calling.

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The covid vaccine doesn't have covid in it at all.

It's an experimental vaccine and it's screwing people up. They don't show these reactions on the news. Video link.

https://sp.rmbl.ws/s8/2/s/C/l/b/sClbc.caa.mp4?u=0

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Speaking of viruses, that link set off my Norton antivirus so I shut it down before seeing it.

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Dude Norton anti-virus? You didnt watch it because you are comfortable in your belief the vaccine is safe. They live. You sleep.

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Idiot! Norton detected malware. The mods should delete the posting.

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Norton anti-virus is just giving you a caution warning. It's a program with limitations.

Paste the link and see what Google thinks. In fact, you can check the link on many other link checkers. They all say it's safe. Here try one.

https://transparencyreport.google.com/safe-browsing/search?hl=en

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Worked fine on safari. Stick with your Windows XP 🤡

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Funny the link plays just fine on my iPhone. Maybe your antivirus is the problem.

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Some people react to vaccines. It's unfortunate, but that doesn't mean the vaccine isn't going to be beneficial to the vast majority of people.

Some people are deathly allergic to peanuts. That doesn't mean the rest of us can't enjoy a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.

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BAN ALL PEANUTS!!!!

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lol

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Yes people are allergic to things. Did you know doctors advise some of their patients not to get the covid vaccine because of current medical problems? Do you not see a problem forcing an unproven vaccine on people knowing it will cause complications and even death? It's causing these things on perfectly healthy people. Do you not see the problem here?

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That's exactly why it's so important for everyone who CAN get the vaccine to get the vaccine. Those who have medical reasons desperately need the rest of us to get it in order to protect them.

No matter what health regulations are in place, there will be some who cannot follow them. That is the entire point of exemptions. If an employer requires the vaccine and an individual has a medical reason why getting the vaccine is dangerous to them, that individual simply asks for an exemption. It happens all the time. But one of the worst mistakes we can make is to say that because a teeny, tiny percent of the population has a valid reason for not getting the vaccine, the rest of the people should not be required to get the vaccine. That's dangerously harmful to the individuals who cannot get the vaccine.

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Vaccinated people spread the virus you know that, right?

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It's not a perfect vaccine, but it's the best we have right now. So, you have the choice to take a vaccine that's less than perfect but still makes a difference and doing absolutely nothing.

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vaccine
[vakˈsēn]
NOUN
a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.


IT ISN'T A VACCINE.


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Go learn what a "Leaky" and "Perfect" vaccine is before you open your clueless mouth

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At least I'm not selfish.

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You say that like it should somehow bother me. It doesn't

Cry more

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Pfizer and Astra don't have a "weakened version of the virus inside". It's a brand new concept, not tested enough and we don't know the long term effects and reactions.

I consider vaccines to be one of the greatest inventions that mankind has made and have all possible vaccines ... but still I'm not comfortable taking a jab that was not tested enough.

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Because not all people react to vaccines the same. I got a vaccine shot one time and I started to get a shiver within an hour. It knocked me off my feet for almost a week.

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That's normal, you will feel feverish as the body learns to fight the virus in the vaccine.

I've had two jabs of AstraZeneca earlier this year, and I felt feverish and tired for a few hours after both, but it goes away. It's a small price to pay for long-term protection.

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LOL It is not normal to get bedridden sick after receiving a vaccine.

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I wasn't "bedridden", just felt slightly feverish. And it IS normal, that's been my experience of vaccines all my life.

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I was. Wow.

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"long-term protection"

You are aware that the vaccines are only good for ... what's the latest from St Fauci? ... 8 months? I had no bad reaction to J&J but I will not get another boost. I regret being part of the experiment for the 99.89% survivable "plague"

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A few years, from what I heard. I know flu jabs and tetanus jabs don't last indefinitely, but long enough.

If you want to take your chances without a second set of jabs, that's up to you.

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Actually 6 months.
And it doesn't work vs the variants ... no thanks. Once was enough. Learned my lesson.

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Don't blame anyone else but yourself when you're breathing your last in a hospital bed, then.

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You are brainwashed heavy. Watch my video link above. These are immediate side effects that happened to normal people and even people in the medical field. The shot is messing people up and killing many! We don't even know the long term side effects yet. You shouldn't hope for death on people like you are. Wake up.

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I'm not clicking on such a dodgy-looking link that set off someone's antivirus, you might be trying to infect me with malware.

"You shouldn't hope for death on people like you are"
I've got a problem with people I percieve as stupid existing at all.

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Well you can't upload it to YouTube. It will be deleted. Just like any doctor who speaks against the agenda. This link is actually now banned in YouTube comments. They know about it. Stay asleep if you want bro.

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What's the point? I've had the vaccine, nothing I can do about it now.

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Pray over your body. Research yourself and don't believe corrupt people in power. Question everything. Educate others on your findings. Pray over yourself.

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No, thanks.

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Why would I? Same to you, pal. Enjoy Morlock class.

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It does not offer long term protection a very good study came out about this and the vaccines which are classed as the most efficient pfizer/moderna for delta and omicron they last 30 days with people who have had them that get infected they tend to have worst case then an vaccinated person would also if you have already had the virus then get the vaccine terrible side effects even reports of healthy people now having many different health issues.

If you look up Christian Holm Hansen you can find the study it is a dutch one which was not funded by anyone tied to big pharma.

Astra one is a complete joke lots of report of blood clotting issues which have been dismissed also they lied about how efficiency it was its around 60% max which is why you are now seeing them mix vaccines for boosters.

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Vaccines are simple to understand

No, they are not. And you seem to be confused, because Pfizer et alii use the name "Vaccine" for the ineffective trash they are selling.
The only one real vaccine on the market against Covid is the Chinese one produced by Sinovac. This one really uses a weakened version of the virus to stimulate the immune system.

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Idiot! Chinese one is least effective.

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Who are you calling an idiot?

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I've not heard anyone say they are refusing the vaccine because it's a form of population control. The arguments I've heard have been as follows:

1. The vaccine isn't a vaccine, it's a treatment. A vaccine has a medical, and legal, definition, and the Moderna and Pfizer mRNA products commonly called vaccines do not meet either definition. But vaccine sounds better, so that's how they tout it.

2. These are the first mRNA treatments ever used on humans. They think it's safe, but it's never been tried before, and this wouldn't be the first time something was considered safe, used on humans, then later recalled. Thalidomide is a famous example. AZT is another, which, by the way, was rushed through FDA approval in the 1980s at the insistence of Dr. Anthony Fauci, primarily to help pharmaceutical companies make big money, before being recalled after many deaths.

3. Treatments like hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin have been used on humans for decades without serious side effects, and have been shown to work well in treating covid. However, their patents have expired, meaning no pharmaceutical company stands to make billions from them. Some would rather try something proven safe, and potentially effective, than gamble on an untested treatment/vaccine.

4. There is a general distrust of the government and "Big Pharma," and a belief that if there are billions of dollars to be made, people will lie to make them. Scientists said for years that smoking was safe, primarily because the tobacco industry paid them to say it. The idea that politicians and the billionaires who own pharmaceutical companies would conspire to make a fortune at the possible expense of average citizens isn't far-fetched.

5. The vaccine/treatment/whatever you want to call it does not seem to be effective. Vaccinated people are contracting covid at the same rate as unvaccinated people, and can spread it just as easily. There are conflicting reports of how effective it is at preventing death from covid, but it's clear that vaccinated people are still dying from covid.

6. The vaccine is hurting and killing people. There are 10,000+ VAERS reports, and many more anecdotal stories being shared, about deaths, strokes, Guillain-Barré syndrome, thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome, myocarditis, and other issues after being vaccinated. The rampant censorship in the media makes it impossible to know what’s true or false, but the sheer number of reports is alarming.

7. Regarding censorship— if the vaccines really were safe and effective, why would such strict censorship be needed? If the government/Big Pharma has nothing to hide, why are they working so hard to hide or obscure data?

8. Covid itself isn’t as dangerous as it seems. The survival rate for someone under 70 who catches it is between 99.5% and 99.997%, and 94.6% for those 70+. Moreover, most all deaths from covid happen to people who are obese, diabetic, or otherwise unhealthy. The chance of a healthy individual dying from covid is tiny, so why risk injecting an untested, experimental treatment?

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And all of those are legit arguments

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I stopped reading after 3. You don't cite REPUTABLE sources or papers at all, you're just spouting conspiracy propaganda. I want to hear CREDIBLE evidence from SCIENTISTS, and I severely doubt you're one.

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That's willful ignorance on your part. You want to believe that anyone who disagrees with you is a conspiracy theorist, while trusting anything from those with whom you agree.

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I trust the scientists above all else, and you lot ultimately want to kill them. What the hell ARE you? Pol Pot!?!

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Who are these scientists that you trust? Dr. Fauci? That's your choice, but it's not a choice that everyone is comfortable making. There are many scientists and doctors who aren't in support of the vaccines.

You initially stated that you don't understand people who are unwilling to take the (so-called) vaccines. I offered the reasoning. It's primarily a distrust of the government and Big Pharma, and the belief that the entire process has been weaponized politically.

You trust the scientists that are allowed by CNN, Google, Twitter, and the rest of the mainstream media to speak. Good for you. Not everyone does.

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You're speaking from an American perspective, I'm British (actually, Welsh).

I don't know much about Fauci, but he IS an American, so why should I listen to the policy he dictates? It's not for the world.

"Distrust of the government"
Would you trust it if it were the Trump administration, still?

"Big Pharma"
Yeah, well, together with them and your hyper-expensive so-called healthcare system, your country is fucked if you have medical need, unless you're a mega-rich SOB.

"entire process has been weaponized politically"
I like to think governments act in the best interests of all people, for their own sake.

"You trust the scientists that are allowed by CNN, Google, Twitter, and the rest of the mainstream media to speak."
I trust the venerable senior scientists who were around long before those entities were, they speak from experience.

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UK data proves that nearly 2/3 vaccinated are dying over unvaccinated maybe you should pay attention to your own country's weekly covid reports

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Under the uk freedom of information act it has been revealed that only 17 thousand people have died from covid 19 this is all age groups also these people had no other underlying health issues.

It does not state if any of them was vaccinated or not.

This alone shows what a lie the whole thing has been the media are still quoting over 160 thousand deaths because of covid-19 the uk and many other countries are putting covid death because a person had a positive pcr test with 28 days of that death.

People keep saying I am anti vax far from it i state that i do not recommend these covid ones not others which have been around for decades and had gone through the proper trials for many years.

Novavax which does not use experimental methods i recommend if you must have a covid-19 vaccine if available it is one they really didnt want out there

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You can hear credible evidence all day long but you won't listen to them because they aren't on TV. They Live. You Sleep. Just the way they want it.

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You seem to be forgetting that I've already taken the vaccine, I haven't been ill, and the UK death figures have been down for months because of AZ, so it seems to be saving more lives than covid is taking.

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You nailed it bro. If they argue against your post, my username describes them.

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Conservatism is an emotionally driven ideology, fear of other (racism), fear of unknown (science), fear of new (conservative), it's irrational and can't be explained in rational terms. Don't get me wrong, it's not all bad, conservatism respects family, tradition, and sometimes it's good to slow down and think about new ideas; but the emotional component makes them susceptible to fear based propaganda. Also the covid vaccine is not a traditional vaccine made with attenuated virus, it's a newer technology that has been developed since the 90s. Back then mrna vaccines were sci-fi, very cool to seem become a reality. It's real Star Trek level medicine.

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I think you have it backwards. Right-wing thought is based on fact, while the left-wing relies on emotion.

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Yawn, another, "I know you are but what am I?" retorts by a dittohead. Followed by goal post moving, lies, and then bragging about "pissin' off the libs!" I doubt you've given a minute of thought to what it means to be liberal or conservative. (Listening to Rush Dimbaugh doesn't count as thinking)

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That is 180° from reality.

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Fits the honkey kong mentality of Jan 6th.

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Because normal drugs take 10 years of rigorous testing to be approved. Because of safety concerns. And even then sometimes they have to be pulled after FDA approval because they’re dangerous.

Like vioxx that kill 60,000 people before it was pulled.

Because we have laws that clearly protect people from being forced to take drugs they don’t want.

Understand now?

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Yeah, well, I'd say Covid is a special (and urgent) exception.

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Are you an agent or really that asleep?

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There are no exceptions in science.

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Exactly! How many years did they research Chantix and still had to pull it from the market for causing cancer? Sorry Kool Aid drinkers, anyone who blindly jumps on these COVID vaccines and then shames others for not taking it is a friggin' Grade A moron.

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