Durring the last gradual increase of toxification of feminism, I have noticed the increase in women creating the exact opposite of feminist in accentuating the female parts:
- much much longer eye lashes
- much much bigger lips
- extreme defined eyebrows - there are kiosks in MALLS doing this now, where there never was before
- extreme amplifcation of ass, not just workouts and injections, but large padding inserts
- less and less clothing, also to the point of dressing like a whore being accepted and common
- breasts of course, but that was always a thing
I'm seeing more and more of women - EVEN LIVE, PERSONALLY IN PUBLIC AROUND ME - quadrupling up on these "additions" as a display of being even MORE FEMININE, and sort of working against the basics of feminism.
Is my summation accurate?
Is feminism working AGAINST females in the attraction of mate selection which is forcing this hand?
The next generation of women (Zillenials) have zero self esteem, they are full of FOMO, and will all grow up to be Karens. They obsess about their appearance, selfies, obsessively posting to social media millions of pictures of themselves from different angles in their own bathrooms or their cars, anywhere, always by themselves.
They missed the entire point of feminism , clearly, by emphasizing fake eyelashes, fake lip surgeries, etc. Weight loss drugs.... Yes, it is the total opposite of feminism, the opposite of women being confident in themselves for who they are.
It's not feminine, you're 100% right... It's just sad. They're wearing ridiculously revealing outfits for attention, yet they don't even have the self esteem to make eye contact or say hi to a stranger on the street. They are riddled with insecurities from their social media addicton.
I don't think Gen Z or Gen Y (Millenial) women have much self esteem, self confidence, or frankly any love for anything, not even themselves.
I do beleive generations usually rebel against the previous and swing back around, and the next next gen women will say, "You are all idiots, did it wrong and we are reversing this now". Real human nature always wins out in the end. Always.
That's not feminism. That's current fashion trends, which have become really whacked, no thanks to the Kartrashians. Some of the women following those trends now look like freaks, with giant bubble buts, tiny waists, huge breasts, clothes that look trashy, duck lips, cartoony eyelashes, and press-on nails that look like dragon talons. Seriously, no normal man wants to hit that!
If you want toxic feminism that's ruining females in the attractive mate selection, look no further than at the fat, ugly land-whales that don't wear makeup, shave the sides of their heads, chop their hair off, dye their hair crazy colors like blue or green, wear the most unflattering clothes for their figures, and either whine about how no man will touch them, or say how they hate men and the patriarchy in general and can't understand while their girlfriends keep leaving them.
Or how about women being made to wear boring, modest clothes in action/sci-fi/fantasy films/video games now, are "uglied up," and aren't even allowed to have well-defined breasts and butts anymore. I've heard that's an even bigger controversy than those ridiculous Kartrashian or lesbo looks these days.
ok, but what I am saying is, is the current feminist stuff CAUSING those "fashion trends"?? Why else are they trying so hard to look OVER sexually attractive? the opposite of fem manifesto of don't sexy us up (--- until we want to give birth, then and ONLY then may you fawn over us)
Aren't the women wearing ugly clothes in sci-fi etc a direct result of women screaming "Stop sexualizing us!" -- again, strangely counter to all the women self sexualizing themselves with baloony blowjob lips, flickery long eye lashes, excessive notice me how young I appear with freckles, or look at my sexy over emphasized hour glass figure with huge additional buttocks implants
It's complicated. Some women want attention from men, but the way they go about it can sometimes be skewed by popular culture. Like the women who do the ridiculous, exaggerated looks are following trends, and wanta look sexy the way the women on the tv shows they watch do, not thinking with reality in mind. That particular behavior isn't exactly about feminism, it's about trying to look confident and sexy, which fails with some of them because they're too stupid to realize how ridiculous they look with current fashion trends.
You're talking about the constant complaint some feminists make about being objectified, where a woman is made to look sexy and completely ignored by men for anything else they have to offer. Or they don't like being shown as brainless bimbo's on tv that have nothing to offer other than to be a sex object by the male characters.
Some writers on tv did a good balance of female characters that could be both sexy and smart, and they could be strong enough to get respect from their male counterparts instead of being ignored or treated like a sex object.
Keep in mind there are many different kinds of feminists in the modern world. Some want to be feminine, sexy, and are okay with hanging out with men and doing traditional feminine things. Others resent men for ignoring them (they don't want to admit it's because they're nasty, ugly people) or not allowing them into positions of power, so all they do is complain and make a mountain out of a lot of molehills, often looking stupid as a result, or are major party-poopers.
The sci-fi/fantasy desexualization thing has been a result of idiot gaming companies allowing consulting firms like Sweet Baby Inc. to bully them into getting DEI advice on how to make their games "not offensive" to the whiny, woke crowd; when all that happens is the games end up terrible and the gaming companies lose money as a result. You also have bitchy, hard-left, power-hungry bitches in Hollyweird like Kathleen Kennedy creating boring, nasty girl bosses who never lose a fight, wear boring, modest outfits, never get a boyfriend or do anything romantic unless they're lesbians, they never have to learn anything from a mentor of any kind, and have awful personalities.
Thank you for your thoughtful and interesting reply! Much appreciated. Is a good read.
My personal take away from this whole mess, is that there are still PLENTY of women that enjoy being women and embrace it without it getting weird at all.
Recently learned about Sweet Baby. What a self hypocritic profit system starting with the NAME itself: "SWEET BABY" --- really??
It sounds like that word "baby" black chicks use on everyone they speak to with affection. I suspect it was meant to throw people off on just how toxic the company really is. Messing up that Suicide Squad game and bullying the gaming company that made it into using their services was disgusting.
It was even more disgusting when a Brazillian found out about the game leak, and then put out a list of games Sweet Baby Inc. had done consultation on, warning people not to buy or play with those games, and Sweet Baby Inc. went after him like a school of piranhas online. I suspect they've lost a lot of business, now that people are onto the scam that consulting firms like Sweet Baby are doing, because they're not the only ones out there, forcing gaming companies to comply with this stupid DEI bullshit.
Very well put. I've noticed the same trend with the boring and unattractive women in games. I'm not a gamer, so I was out of the loop, but I recently watched a video about a new Star Wars game that did this. They initially had an attractive model for the role but purposely desexualized her, making her look ugly and boring, presumably to spite males because 'male gaze bad.
It's causing quite a stir, and annoying both male and female players. Yeah, and I find that ridiculous 1970s hairstyle just as off-putting as her plain face and mosquito-bite boobs. You don't have to be a plain, androgynous-looking woman with the body of a 12-year-old boy to get men to take you seriously. I have a very pretty female smuggler in Star Wars the Old Republic and nobody treats her like a sex object. If they do, they'll find out what it's like to get shot, punched, kicked, and beaten up by both her and her companions. >:)
I heard about a controversy involving "Pokemon Go" recently where they seemed to have desexualized the female avatars so that you can barely tell they're female. Word has it the company wanted to make trans players feel better, but all the company did was piss everyone off.
>The sci-fi/fantasy desexualization thing has been a result of idiot gaming companies allowing consulting firms like Sweet Baby Inc. to bully them into getting DEI advice on how to make their games "not offensive" to the whiny, woke crowd; when all that happens is the games end up terrible and the gaming companies lose money as a result. You also have bitchy, hard-left, power-hungry bitches in Hollyweird like Kathleen Kennedy creating boring, nasty girl bosses who never lose a fight, wear boring, modest outfits, never get a boyfriend or do anything romantic unless they're lesbians, they never have to learn anything from a mentor of any kind, and have awful personalities.
This is your brain when you think that only Disney exists and controls all modern media. And only a handful of AAA games exist.
Your summation is in no way even related to feminism , and is a load of insecure incel angry ranting disguised as some kind of "insight"
You did pick up a couple of fellow women hating misogynists along the course of the thread though so you can all have a little bitchy coven together .
I particularly liked the "What will women do when men learn to cook" comment . classic.
as usual, and as expected from you, you completely ignored the entire premise of my post.
you ignore the current feminism mentioned
you then ignore the "fashion trend I am speaking of
you ignore the link I am attempting to point out and discuss.
why the fuck did you even respond to this?
time waster. people who depend on dropping in the incel word, seem more focused on agenda than topic.
I've just been over the drivel you wrote in the OP and I dont even know where to begin.
Clearly you have some deranged idea of the definition of 'feminist' that , from what i can infer , you think it means "woman who wants to look like a man"
As others pointed out to you in earlier replies , some of them women , how a women dresses and the size of her eyebrows has absolutely nothing to do with feminism.
I suggest you google the word , and start with the results that lead to simple dictionary definitions.
on the internet, discussions are only good for 2 days.
after 2 days, everything goes off the rails in 4500 tangents that piss everyone off and become pointless to discuss.
All the world needs to STOP discussions on topics after 2 days and move on.
The original goal of feminism was their sexual freedom. Somewhere along the line it became anti-sex unisex. If it's about big boobs and long eye lashes now, it sounds like it's back to what it was about in the beginning - sexual freedom.
I think there is a fine line between being an beautiful, feminine, sexually liberated woman, and being an overly sexualized whore. It's a nuanced thing, and many women just take it too far. But the same goes for men. There is nothing wrong with being a masculine male, but if you get enough of them together, some alpha douches are going to emerge, and show us the toxic masculinity that they are always complaining about.
Is feminism working AGAINST females in the attraction of mate selection which is forcing this hand?
Yes, because most men don't like those things, and don't seriously date overly sexualized women. But I also think physical attractiveness is very small problem with feminism. It everything else that makes some modern women undateable. For example they will chalk up ours posts to misogyny Even though we are telling them as men, what men want.
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It's pretty much history repeating itself that when women gain more independence in society, advertisers work overtime to get them to either return to "traditional" femininity or come up with a new ideal to pursue. It's not a feminist issue, it's a capitalism issue. Women have more capital, and the usual way to gain access to that is to appeal to women's vanity by giving them new insecurities to fix.
I like this angle. Definitely some truth in there. And need to recreate alternate fads to keep selling more new different products - I think you kind of said that.
That said, ass, boobs, lips, and eye lash are all sexual..... polar opposite to the "see us as equal" feminist manifesto.
Maybe it's the new same old, but it's definitely pushing boundaries of female sexuality.
Also, how do you push it even more after this??? Even comically BIGGER butts??? Eye lashes as long as your arm???
I don't agree that all of those things are sexual, especially not eyelashes. But also, sexuality is not anti-feminist or feminist, it's entirely unrelated. Like a man showing his abs or a woman showing cleavage isn't automatically feminist or anti-feminist, and being seen as equal doesn't mean not being seen as sexual, nor does being sexualized mean being sexually liberated. I think your ideas are confused.
my lost point was that Group A "Feminism - whatever that is at this minute" and their unsexy man hate garbage, causes Group B all the rest of females to go for OVER SEXY looks to counter the feminism stuff and show they are trying to attract males. for mating. etc
TOTALLY FALSE,BRO.... Group A "Feminism - whatever that is at this minute" and their unsexy man hate garbage, causes Group B all the rest of females to go for OVER SEXY
BELIEVE IT OR NOT,....WOMEN DO NOT ALL CONFORM TO ONE OF YOUR VERY LIMITED TWO CATAGORIES....IN FACT I BET VERY VERY FEW FIT EITHER OF YOUR CATAGORIES AT ALL.
That's a lost point because it's no point at all. Given that a lot of men don't find all the things you listed sexy, yourself included, the only conclusion to draw is that, feminist or not, women are changing their looks for themselves to meet their own perceptions of beauty, even if those perceptions are heavily influenced by a manipulative, male-run industry. Not to attract men, and not to combat feminism, which, if you don't know what it is, I don't know how you feel comfortable making any point about it.
I know what feminism is. I said 'whatever' meaning it's constant goal moving nonsense. So, I'm totally comfortable talking about this section of it.
"a lot of men don't find all the things you listed sexy" not sure where that came from but. ok. pretty sure a LOT of men do find it sexy... as it is closer to "Porn Star" than "normal female". I'll let you follow the math there. Do you think porn stars are just doing their own perceptions of "beauty"? nope.
Women change looks for themselves.... I've heard that one forever. "Makeup is just for ME". Uh-huh. That's why you choose bright red lipstick and bright red nail polish... "to be beautiful for you" compared to what? That is sexual attraction, and has never been anything but. SOME women like the think it's BEAUTY and not SEXUAL, but that is blind delusional thought. ALL makeup is used for sexual attraction. Want to cover that slight blemish on your face? Why? Because YOU don't like the look of it? Maybe stepup and accept yourself as you are. [not YOU, Wint3rFir3, just generalizing] or is the need to cover an imperfection done to compete with better lookers in the mating pool?
Feminism has held the same goal pretty much since it's inception, which is to achieve full social, economic, and political equality for all women. There's been almost no movement of any goal posts except to widen the scope of that goal. So yeah, you're too comfortable talking about something you clearly know nothing about, maybe you should be more uncomfortable.
"Not sure where that came from" it came from you, your whole post is about how the things women are attempting to achieve looks-wise isn't sexy to you and therefore isn't sexy to men at large and questioning whether feminism, aka women, are at fault for this. Also, why are you equating the aesthetics of porn, which cater to specific people's specific tastes, to the lived reality and perception of all women? Join women in reality.
You've also heard women state something consistently over time, but you refuse to believe it - that's called choosing ignorance. You're also completely ignoring women's sexual attraction and what women find sexy. Because even if your point about it being about sexual attraction was correct - it isn't - why would you automatically assume that women are trying to attract men or cater to what men find sexy? For example, a young Traci Lords is incredibly sexy, but I wouldn't be dressing as Traci Lords to gain the attention of men, I'd want girls to tell me I'm hot, and I'm heterosexual.
Covering a blemish is about personal vanity, it's not to please men. Wearing red lipstick and nail polish definitely has nothing to do with meeting male expectations of sexiness, nor is that most women's priority, or else why isn't every woman on the street wearing red lips and nail polish? It's weird how you walk around completely oblivious to women's ideas and thoughts, coz no, they're not living for men.
you are not seeing the deeper ID root of makeup. that's fine. most don't.
it's under the chapter labeled, "One of the many things women can't admit to themselves." and that's fine. us men have been sorting through that pile forever, and that will never change - which in itself is an inequal divid that keep feminism from succeeding. ever.
Ah, mansplaining, cool. So in other words, you won't listen to women when they consistently tell you something, and instead have gone the route of telling them they're wrong and explaining over the top of them to discredit their lived experience, one which men don't typically have, so you're not even drawing from your real life to reach that conclusion.
Makeup has a beautifully rich history that, no, is not all about attracting men. It actually originated in religion I think, and was used for religious purposes, but it was also used by both men and women of various backgrounds, so it wasn't even exclusively for the rich - though it did signify wealth if the packaging was better or if specific colours were used, since certain colours signified a higher status. Men used to wear makeup as much if not more than women, and drag queens still do - do you think they're doing that to attract men, too, despite homophobia being a thing?
In conclusion, you know pretty much nothing about feminism, women or makeup, yet feel qualified to discuss all three at length as if you do and have even suggested that you know better than those who do actually know better. You don't. Thanks for the confirmation.
it's under the chapter labeled, "One of the many things women can't admit to themselves." and that's fine. us men have been sorting through that pile forever, and that will never change
That's just called explaining. But it's pointless to do if the person you're explaining to will ignore the truth and then invent a new truth to suit whatever narrative they made up in their heads.
Man's experience in relation to what? Because it seems like you're the one ignoring the reality of men's experiences here, as well as women's. Tbh I don't think you know what point you're trying to make. Also doesn't seem like you're done as you said you were, so please go ahead and enlighten me on what male experience I've ignored.
Wint3rFir3 kindly explained Feminism has held the same goal pretty much since it's inception, which is to achieve full social, economic, and political equality for all women. There's been almost no movement of any goal posts except to widen the scope of that goal. So yeah, you're too comfortable talking about something you clearly know nothing about, maybe you should be more uncomfortable.
That is what feminism is. It has nothing to do with the application , or lack of , of makeup