It's very hard for me to sympathize with someone who dies from a drug overdose.
Because at the end of the day, they did that to themselves. They have no one else to blame for their troubles. It's a choice.
shareBecause at the end of the day, they did that to themselves. They have no one else to blame for their troubles. It's a choice.
shareI remember someone who technically died of a drug overdose, but it's not what you would expect. There was someone I hated for 2 years because of how mean, disrespectful, and cruel they had been to me and others online. However, 2 years after our [indirect] online flame war, the asshole died of a stroke, which is odd, because the person in question was in their early 40s. However, there were a lot of factors playing into this, and after looking over all of them, I think there was no one to really blame but the person in question for their demise. I'll give you the factors playing in:
- This person was overweight and lived a sedentary lifestyle.
- They were forced to stay indoors due to extreme outdoor allergies (and their other symptoms point strongly at this being a form of undiagnosed Lupus).
- This person had extreme Menorrhagia (look it up, I'd prefer not to explain here).
- In an attempt to self-treat the above condition, they made the mistake of not wearing one, but two patches designed to stop one from having babies. (This person was never gonna have kids anyway, so it wasn't an issue for them).
- A blood clot formed in their sinuses, traveled into their brain, and got lodged in a vessel deep in the brain, and there wasn't much the doctors could do other than control the seizures and keep the patient comfortable, as well as try to treat the other two strokes that followed.
Something tells me this person was responsible for their own demise, if they were too stupid to realize the dangers of their own personal condition, as well as wearing medical patches that pumped twice as much chemicals into their bodies that ran the risk of thrombosis.
But then again, I don't feel much sympathy for people who like to throw their weight around websites, kick people out on a whim, and then lie about why to the rest of the community. Or worse, have attack dogs for friends who torment their "enemies."
You guys think the above person got what they deserved?
He may have unconsciously created the scenario he wanted. I think clinical depression may belong in your diagnosis of his pathologies; so, yes, he got what he deserved. I infer from what you say that he was socially isolated (and someone who lives online IS socially isolated), so there was no chance that a friend could have intervened and gotten him the therapy he apparently needed. The result was inevitable.
shareWell, this person was married, and her husband and best friend lived in the same house as her. So this person was partially isolated. The only reason the community liked them was because they made modifications for an old game program. That and this person used to be nice, heavily involved in the online community for the game, and had a good sense of humor...until they got power-mad on their own website.
shareIt sounds like a very dysfunctional trio with a combined emotional IQ of zero. I am sorry she tried to make you a victim.
shareNo.
Does this sound like a happy, productive, person connected to life?
They sound like a person with no feeling of power and that made them a bully. That's not choosing to be a bully when you have a world full of options.
Here's a dumb but true example: Imagine you stub your two or smash your "funny bone" or a branch falls and hits you in the head, etc and someone right at that moment asks you what you think of world peace and babies! What would your answer be? Probably "WTF!!" or something crude.
That would be completely understandable.
Now, a chronic illness is like a stubbed toe that never ends. It induces fear, which can lead to false anger, because you know the rest of your life will be all about feeling this stubbed toe.
If you know someone is sick, show compassion. It will be your turn one day unless you're lucking enough to just drop dead in your sleep.
This person was a liar, a manipulator, and a narcissist, that preyed on people who had troubled pasts, used what people said in the past against them, lied about others to make themselves look like innocent victims, stole artwork from others, turned entire communities against their enemies, and persecuted those who tried to expose them for their true self.
They even went so far as to make fun of a brain tumor one of their victims had, and caused heart problems in another person who was caught up in the fights. They even locked their own best friends out of the website they helped to create, and threw out other people who were supposed to be their best friends when they thought that person had betrayed them. They were so petty, they even threw out people just because they were friends with some of their enemies. Does that sound like someone who's an innocent victim to you?
I get it, but trust me, people with mental problems are not nice.
I have known lots of therapists who quit or get depressed because they think people want help and will be grateful. That's almost never the case. People are like dogs when they're under stress, abused, etc, they may attack.
It takes a LOT to be nice and think nice thoughts about someone in that state.
I knew a guy who had AIDS, back before there was treatment, and a nurse was taking his blood. He picked up the needle and poked her with it, just for the hell of it. Very handsome guy and you'd never guess.
I think I get what you're saying, and it made me get a better picture on this person. I mean, this person had many things that a lot of people would be envious of, such as a loving husband, a bff that actually lived in there with them (kind of like a family of young adults), a nice mom, an entire community of gamers that were awed by their talent in modding, best friends on their very own website that they all helped build, a slightly smaller niche community that almost worshiped this person....and yet it wasn't enough.
I guess being forced (by a medical condition) to live like a hermit in a hot, sweaty state kinda changes a person.
I'm not sure for certain if this person had any mental issues, though it is very possible they had depression and narcissistic personality disorder. Their behavior and actions suggest both.
When this jerk threw me out, they just assumed I would be like the others and cry and disappear into the web. The asshole had no idea what kind of sleeping dragon they awoke....at all.
Who in their right mind even takes online stuff that seriously?!?!?! Damn! Some people just need to go outside and go for a walk or something!!
The day I let someone typing at me have that king of control over me, I hope a Bradley tank falls on me or something.
Eh. Possibly. Difficult to make that judgment not having any personal contact.
shareI would prefer not to have had personal contact with this person back when they were alive. Maybe before 2016, they were more agreeable, but because I wasn't into modding, I wasn't worthy of this webmaster's time or energy. They kinda had a clique hidden amongst the crowd of lurkers, if you know what I mean.
shareIt's crazy how some people go completely over the edge with things that have little or no bearing on life in the real world.
shareThe sad part is, this jerk's best friends are still alive, and the one time I made a peep online, they all went ballistic, complete with nuclear, weapons-grade swearing and threats. But then again, they're just mad because they were served a small portion of their just-desserts a year before their master croaked.
shareI couldn't agree more!
shareI've been a therapist for 30 years and have had lots of clients with drug problems. I have known many who died, 40 in two days, and have had to order the plug pulled on some who became brain dead.
I have worked in Kensignton Philly and the PA prison system, with kids, and all kinds of stuff.
I met my lovely girlfriend in Philly in 2014 and found out that she has very bad drug problems. It is terrifying as I have always been "straight edge" and find drugs and the lifestyle disgusting.
Most drug users don't "choose" to do drugs. Typically, they are born into degenerate families who cause them to have psychological problems.
I have a female friend here who has been doing drugs since 8 years old. They were provided by her family who were bikers. They used her as a child prostitute, and so forth. You can only imagine how her mind works. Meanwhile, I met her in 2016 and thought she was the smartest and funniest woman I have ever met. This last year, she relapsed again and all kinds of terrible things were happening. I literally searched for her in the worst areas and finally got her into rehab. She is doing well now. There was no way in hell I was going to let her die.
My girlfriend had a relapse, kind of because I was helping my friend that I just talked about. My gf was raised by two drunks who would disappear out of her life as a child. Her mom let her date a pedo, who got her pregnant and gave her VD at 14. She then had an abortion. Her mom then died from alcohol issues and her mom's boyfriend secretly had control of the house, sold it, then made my gf and her brother homeless. So, they had nowhere to live as kids but the street. My gf then got into drugs and trying to kill herself.
All of that came out because she thought my helping my friend into rehab was sexual and my way of dumping her. So, she had a very dangerous relapse and I had no clue about what was causing it because helping friends is what I do.
My gf and friend could easily have died.
Should they have died?
Not on my watch, as they say in the movies!
Most drug addicts I've known have similar stories and are sad, pathetic, broken people.
They don't need to die. They need the exact opposite and the strong among us need to be kind and cheerful to such people. If there is a god, he loves that. If there is not god then it is still a good thing to be kind and make the world a little less cold.
Repeat drug offenders who theft and rape is just a waste of the tax payers money.
shareDrug dealers tend to be rapists, not drug users.
In Philly, literally every female drug user I've known has been raped by black drug dealers. The stories are heinous.
However, As I've explained, most drug users are suicidal. It's called "para-suicidal" behavior in psychology. That means indirect suicidal behavior. That can mean getting fired from jobs, locked up, beat up, raped, and so forth. A person like this is trying to destroy their life. In so doing, they end up with nothing and will steal things from stores, etc. That to me is no big deal and part of this terrible cycle.
However, if you steal where to put the lives of others at risk, terrorize others (I'm going to shoot you), and victimize people to the point where you are harming them psychologically, then you have done some bad things and need jail.
A billionaire might consider your public schooling a waste of money because to him you have amounted to nothing. Jesus said, "If you live by the sword, you die by the sword" and what that means is if you have a brutal philosophy of life then don't cry when someone uses your same philosophy against you. There are people out there who don't consider you worthy and don't give a shit. Don't cry when they say the same about you and you say about others.
Another point is that stopping a person't life at point B, because point B seems bad, doesn't allow them to get to point J, when they turn is all around. There have been many people who just led the worst life and then all of a sudden get disgusted and change massively for the better. They had to go through all those steps to do that.
That's a big thing I've seen in real life in people who go to 12 Step meetings.
Malarkey and hogwash! You know why they take the path of destruction? Pure LAZINESS! So much easier sitting around blaming everyone else for their situation. So much easier getting high and bumming the day away. So much easier begging or applying for handouts than it is maintaining a job and being responsible. Being destructive or sabotaging ones life is the excuse needed to do the drugs and the drugs is the excuse to not work and be a functioning person in society.
Also, crackheads rape! Trust me on that, or ask any 10 dollar hooker.
Thank you. Of course none of us want to have to experience the result of drug addicted behaviors, but these are still people and not cockroaches we just want to step on. Most are likely people who wish they had a support system where they could live without pain.
That some people say they have no sympathy make me question whether I should have any sympathy for them no matter what the tragedy.
You had a loved one who died in a plane or a car crash? Shrug. You don't seem to care about anyone else.
You live by the sword, you die by the sword.
That means that whatever philosophy you promote for other people, don't be upset when it's used on you.
The pitiless better be okay with not getting any from others when they are beat down and need help.
Rarely the case.
Wow. Hopefully you have a therapist helping you deal with your own... issues is probably not the right term but it's the only one I can think of at the moment.
You sound like a saint to me.
how is she doing now?
shareMy friend?
I got her into rehab, helped her get many of her things back, and secretly helped her have a Christmas for her family. She has been trying hard!
My girlfriend had some problems and that created issues that we have to tackle together. But, she doesn't know who she has on her side and we shall overcome!
The real hypes and zombies of the streets, the crackheads, meth heads, and dope fiends. Once they cross that line and lose the soul in their eyes, I don’t even consider them human anymore.
shareI've seen that change many times.
Typically, addicts are hyper sensitive people and are hurting themselves for that reason. A cold person doesn't need to do drugs to numb themselves, etc.
Do I come off as cold? I’ve just seen it so many times. Alcohol and heroin has taken a few friends of mine. Probably more our headed down that path. I was always a weekend warrior back in my day but I didn’t let partying derail me from my life.
shareIt's hard not to watch this happen over and over and not become a bit calloused. Try to remember that a person does exist somewhere behind those eyes.
Still - I understand your point.
I remembered twice. Both times my best friend Junior stole from me. We were like brothers, bro. After that never again. He spent half his life in prison for retail theft and strong arm robbery. You know what he did when he got out? He went back to the junk overdosed and died back in march. Once a junkie always a junkie I suppose.
shareI'm sorry for you And your friend. I'm certain that was painful.
Try not to let it decide for you how you feel about it - meaning other people. Everyone is different.
It might help to talk about it one-on-one with someone you trust.
Everyone deserves Some measure of empathy and respect.
How much they get, how much Anyone gets, is up to YOU.
Anyone who read my pain meds post knows my story. Here's the difference - whether it's physical or psychological, I seem to have a resistance to addiction. I detox at least one a month. The thought of it doesn't bother me and whereas most individuals will suffer through it for days to weeks to even months - mine is over usually in two and a half days.
That being said - my empathy for others in the same situation is given case by case. Some deserve it. Some don't.
You mean your lying, preposterous bs.
I'm not surprised at all that the manipulative " King of Pain" chimed in here. He didn't get my empathy because he didn't deserve it. He's a classic example of the warning," ...do not give what is holy to dogs nor cast your pearls before swine lest they turn and rend you."
Even if it is their choice, there are numerous factors that influence the choices people make. A good person can make bad choices. I think we should still show compassion and empathy for addicts.
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