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People are angry because Imane Khelif really is a man:
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Nope. An actually female boxer lost to a <i>man</i> in the ring. Imane Khelif is a man:
https://reduxx.info/algerian-boxer-imane-khelif-has-xy-chromosomes-and-testicles-french-algerian-medical-report-admits/
Israel had nothing to lose from this war. 2 weeks after the attack, a Hamas leader in Gaza vowed that Hamas would carry out more such attacks again and again and again until Israel is destroyed. And because Hamas was a brutal dictatorship in Gaza, it didn't matter how all or most Gazans felt about this. It didn't matter that not everyone supported Hamas. It had no effect on what Hamas did. Second, Gazans hated Israel just as much before the 10/7 attack as they do now. Gazans weren't going to suddenly give up their hatred of Israel if it didn't go to war against Hamas. Recall what I said about the Germans not giving up their hatred of Jews after persecuting and slaughtering them even though the Jews never significantly retaliated against the Germans for it. History offers important lessons and they don't disappear just because you want to ignore them. Gazan hatred of Israel matters a lot less if Hamas has no power in Gaza.
Israel is steadily defeating Hamas in Gaza. It's decapitating the Hamas leadership and destroying the tunnels under the Philadelphi Corridor that Hamas used to bring in arms and supplies. Israel doesn't need an exit strategy. An exit strategy won't protect Israel. A lack of "misgivings" by the world won't protect Israel. Bibi being right-wing has nothing to do with this war. If any other coalition or party were running Israel on 10/7 then they would have responded the same way to the Hamas attack.
Do you realize how insane it is after the Gazans have directly endured months of this brutal war for them to believe that the Hamas attack that started it all was worthwhile? It gives the impression that Gazans believe their situation isn't really all that bad. That it's a worthwhile cost of what they believe will advance their political agenda. Israel's war against Hamas hasn't made Gazans hate them anymore because Gazans felt the same way about the Hamas attack on the day that it happened as they did when this poll was conducted months later. Everyone in Gaza was celebrating on October 7th last year.
I don't see how Jews could "add to the hate" against themselves after the Holocaust already happened. The Nazis never let up on their hate against the Jews and never let up on slaughtering Jews by the millions despite never receiving a disproportionate response from the Jews. Hamas and the rest of those who hate Jews so much are merely standing on the shoulders of the numerous generations of the past 2,000 years. There's nothing to be done about it. But Jews can help whether they can defend themselves. Hate matters less if you have the ability to destroy those who would do violence to Jews. Nothing less than a "disproportionate" response could defeat Hamas in Gaza and Israel can't afford to not defeat Hamas in Gaza. A "disproportionate" response is how we beat Germany and Japan in World War II. What we did to Germany and Japan amounted to group punishment.
That's an extremely poor argument. Robert O'Neill wasn't just a Navy Seal but a member of Team 6. He won 4 Bronze Stars and 2 Silver Stars. The worst you could say about him is that he may have lied about what he did on some missions while on Team 6. But he seems to have been a fully competent Seal by every measure so there's no reason to think he struggled to get through Seal training anymore than anyone else who successfully completed the training. There's absolutely no reason to compare him to Jordan O'Neil.
First off, even if Peter found out the truth later, that would have been after Ego had already carried out his plan. Peter finding out later wouldn't have hurt his plan after it already succeeded. Telling Peter right at that moment destroyed Ego's plan. That's what made him so stupid.
Second, how the hell would Peter have found out later that Ego gave his mom cancer? It's not as if he had stray paper documents or computer files proving it just lying around his planet for Peter to find. The only proof of what Ego did is what he told Peter. Without Ego telling Peter what he did, Peter couldn't have possibly ever known. People get cancer and die all the time due to entirely natural causes. Peter always assumed that was the case with his mom and he never would have had any reason to even think otherwise without Ego going out of his way to tell Peter what he did.
Ego may have been around for centuries but he obviously understood the concept of love. He loved Meredith and so he must have understood that Peter loved her as well. He was smart enough to understand what it would mean to Peter if he told him that he caused her to die.
I don't hate Ego. It's just that he was stupid to tell Peter that he gave his mom cancer.
He didn't have to tell Peter that he gave his mom cancer to regain dad points. How the hell would him telling Peter about that regain him dad points? That would obviously just earn him negative dad points, which is what immediately happened when he told him about it. Like I said in the OP, Peter was already completely on board with Ego's plan by that point. Telling Peter that he gave his mom cancer was completely unnecessary for his plan.
So now your disagreement with me seems to boil down to your ignorance of Islam. As I told you before, Islam simply doesn't recognize the existence of any other gods. I told you that the Shahada of Islam is that "there is no god but God". The Koran specifically rules out the possibility of lesser gods existing. You can't just willingly ignore these basic facts about Islam. Islam simply can't conceive of any being other than Allah himself creating lightning. It can't even conceive of that very possibility! Therefore, Thor's very existence as a god poses an unavoidable problem for Islam in the MCU. Therefore, a faithful Muslim such as Kamala Khan couldn't even fathom fangirling Thor.
The fact that Thor was worshipped by Scandinavians in northern Europe hundreds of miles from the furthest Muslim conquests both before and after the beginning of Islam has absolutely no bearing on Islam's view on the matter. Islam completely rejected the possibility of Thor's existence and the legitimacy of worshipping him as it did for all pagan gods. It's not a coincidence that Islam completely wiped out polytheistic religion in the Arabian peninsula. To whatever small extent that Muslims barely tolerated the practice of polytheism in other parts of the world, that certainly didn't mean that Muslims accepted the possibility that these polytheistic gods could actually exist.
Therefore, Muslims' knowledge of Thor's very existence would cause an immediate crisis of faith for them. Which means that Kamala Khan couldn't possibly continue on as a Muslim while fangirling Thor. It would be completely out of the question for her. It would only make sense if Ms. Marvel presented her as an ex-Muslim.
As I said before, your claim that she's a non-devout Muslim rather than an unreal Muslim is NOT a premise of the show. Your claim that my argument rests on a fallacy fails because of this. If the show actually acknowledged that Khan wasn't a devout Muslim then you would be right. Completely avoiding the elephant in the room that I've been talking about is what makes her status as a Muslim so unreal. The fact that the show doesn't even acknowledge the obvious problems for Islam caused by knowledge of Thor proves just how fake and phony the show's presentation of Islam really is. Islam as a whole on Ms. Marvel isn't real. The unreality of it simply goes double for Khan because she fangirls Thor.
As I said before, Ms. Marvel's "Islam" isn't a serious, complex reality but a superficial part of Khan's character and environment. Once you understand that, you can see how unreal Khan's Islam really is and how unreal her status as a Muslim really is. Superficial and phony isn't the same thing as "bad". A superficial and phony Muslim simply isn't a real Muslim. No Muslims can be “bad” in an environment where <i>all</i> Muslims are superficial and phony. You're just judging the book by its cover.
Every religion is defined by the integrity of its beliefs. Those beliefs can only change so much without the religion changing to something different. You can't deny that. It's the reason that Christianity isn't just another branch of Judaism. I keep bringing up that example and you don't address it at all. Why is that?
A being wielding the literal power of lightning has no precedent in the experience of any Muslims. Dealing with the implications of that being's existence has no precedent in the experience of any Muslims. The theological differences between Sunnis and Shiites does not compare to how Muslims would react to Thor. Coming to grips with Thor’s very existence would unavoidably break Islam. In real history, no Muslims have ever dealt with phenomena that completely eviscerated their theological worldview. In real history, no Muslims have ever dealt with phenomena that completely destroyed their understanding of what was physically possible.
What makes Ms. Marvel's Islam so fake is that it pretends that Thor coming to Earth and all the other world changing events in the MCU had zero impact on Islam. You can't possibly tell me that I'm wrong about religious purity when the show doesn't even acknowledge any lack of religious purity within Khan or any other Muslims. Your argument rests entirely on a premise that the show never acknowledged.
Your hypothetical conversation between Thor and a Muslim in the MCU doesn't change anything I said or prove me wrong about anything. It proves that Thor's very existence would be a direct threat to Muslim beliefs. But if Islam made this change and accepted the existence of other gods such as Thor then it would no longer be Islam. Islam's central belief is that there is no god but Allah. It doesn't accept the existence of "untrue" gods and can't accept it. Any Muslims making such a change to their beliefs are clearly no longer following Islam. Muslims backpaddling in such a manner to try to maintain Islam would only reveal that the emperor has no clothes. And on top of that, neither Ms. Marvel nor anything else in the MCU indicates in any way that any Muslims made any such changes to their beliefs. The MCU doesn't concede that any changes had to be made to its version of Islam.
You're the one who brought up the possibility that the MCU's Islam is different from the real world’s Islam. There's no basis to jump from the possibility that Islam in the MCU is different from Islam in the real world to the conclusion that humans in the MCU aren't really humans. If Islam in the MCU is different from the real world's Islam then it's clearly not really Islam. That's unquestionably true. You have absolutely no basis for denying it. Changing the beliefs of a religion makes it a different religion.
Kamala Khan is depicted on Ms. Marvel as a pure Muslim. The show gives you no basis for asserting otherwise. You simply assert that the show depicts her as an impure Muslim by accepting the legitimacy of my argument that Islam on Ms. Marvel doesn't make any sense and then improperly concluding that therefore Ms. Marvel means to depict her as an impure Muslim. But the show never concedes that there's any difference between her Islam and the Islam of a regular Muslim in the real world. The inherent problems with her version of Islam on a show that doesn't acknowledge those problems or even try to demonstrate that there's anything different about her version of Islam is what makes her Islam so phony.
You still haven't come anywhere close to proving that I've committed the No True Scotsman fallacy. It doesn't apply to religion and you haven't even tried to make an argument proving otherwise. You say it's a No True Scotsman fallacy when you're presented with evidence that X can be Y. Therefore, there's clearly no fallacy because you haven't provided any evidence that I'm wrong about Islam and its central beliefs. I have no idea what "evidence" you're talking about because you haven't provided any. You've merely made unsupported assertions.
As I said before, the No True Scotsman fallacy doesn't apply to religion because religion is defined by beliefs. Beliefs can't change without the religion changing. That's completely undeniable and you don't even try to make an argument explaining otherwise. Religion is certainly defined by purity of beliefs. That's the reason a "Jew for Jesus" isn't really a Jew. You don't deny that so there's no reason to deny my claim. If someone claims to follow a certain religion but has actual beliefs completely antithetical to that religion then it's a case of the Emperor's New Clothes.
It's not a question of Khan being "devout/pious" because the show doesn't claim that she isn't simply non-devout or non-pious. The show presents her as a normal devout and pious Muslim. The problem with her Islam is that the show simply ignores the unpleasant implications of a Muslim girl in the MCU fangirling Thor. Therefore, Khan's Islam is simply a case of the emperor having no clothes.
Islam certainly has its own clear definition of what a Muslim is and Kamala Khan clearly does not meet that definition. You don't even try to prove otherwise. The fact that you have to posit that the central beliefs of her version of Islam is completely different from the actual beliefs of real Islam proves how obviously right I am about this.
Your "deduction" that Muslims in the MCU went through any kind of spiritual struggle is a completely unwarranted conclusion that you're forced to make in order to maintain your disagreement with me over Khan's Islam. It's clearly not based on any actual evidence. You have no idea who on Earth in the MCU changed their worldviews, what those changes were or when they made those changes. Nothing in Ms. Marvel indicates that Islam in the MCU "grew" in any way. The better explanation is simply that nothing about Islam in the MCU changed and the people who made Ms. Marvel didn't want the show to actually take Islam seriously. Her "Islam" isn't a complex reality but a superficial part of her character and environment. Even if you were right that the MCU's Islam "grew" then it would mean that I'm right that it's no longer really Islam. If Islam "grew" then it grew the same way that the Judaism of certain Jews "grew" 2,000 years ago when they started Christianity, at which point their "Judaism" was no longer actually Judaism.
You have absolutely no basis for concluding that Muslims in the MCU went through any kind of spiritual struggle. It's completely absurd for you to just assume that they did so. You can only assume they did so because their continued faith without it would be completely ridiculous. The fact that you need to assume that they did so merely proves that you recognize the utter absurdity of Muslims’ continued adherence to their religion in the MCU without an intense spiritual struggle. A better conclusion is simply that their continued faith, as portrayed in Ms. Marvel, is itself completely ridiculous. That you feel the need to suggest that maybe "Islam" in the MCU is somehow different than real Islam in the real world shows just how much you realize that continued Muslim faith in the MCU really is utterly absurd. Real Islam couldn't survive in the MCU.
In the first Thor movie, Thor didn't say that magic and technology are the same on Asgard. He told Jane Foster that magic and <i>science</i> were the same thing on Asgard. That just means that magic on Asgard has some sort of science explaining it. But Thor has certain powers possessed by no other Asgardians. Perhaps there is some sort of scientific explanation for that such as genetics. But that doesn't change the fact that Thor is able to do things such as creating lightning which, according to Islam, only Allah can do. So Thor's very existence still presents an unavoidable challenge to Islam's beliefs. Even if Thor and his powers can be completely explained by science and technology then that would still be a challenge to Islam's beliefs. If everything supernatural is just technology then that would make Allah and his powers nothing more than technology. It would mean that Allah wasn't really the one and only true 'god'. If there are no actual gods then there is no Allah.
You tell me that maybe the MCU's Islam is different from Islam in the real world and that concession speaks enormous volumes. If the MCU's "Islam" is different from the real world's Islam then it's not really Islam, is it? Islam is a real religion in the real world. Any religion that's different from that in any way, no matter what it calls itself, is clearly not Islam. If Kamala Khan follows this different version of Islam then she's not really a Muslim, is she?
My appeal to purity isn't a fallacy because it's a legitimate test of any religion. You referred to my argument as a No True Scotsman fallacy in your earlier comments. The whole idea of the concept of the No True Scotsman fallacy is that a true Scotsman can believe anything and still be a true Scotsman because a Scotsman is merely someone born in Scotland. Beliefs can't change that.
That doesn't apply to a religion because a religion is defined by the beliefs of its adherents. A supposed adherent of a particular religion is limited in what they can believe. It's the reason that a "Jew for Jesus" isn't really a Jew. It's the reason someone who believes in Buddha or Vishnu can't really be a Jew. You wouldn't deny a claim that such a person wasn't really a Jew so there's no reason you should do the same for my claim that Kamala Khan isn't really a Muslim. She's not a real Muslim because she's simply cosplaying as a Muslim. Without such limits on belief, the very concept of any religion is completely meaningless.
With religion, realness is defined by purity. With religion, purity of belief is the defining quality of the thing. With any religion, its basic beliefs can only change so much without that religion ceasing to actually be that religion instead of something completely different. You concede that this could have happened to Islam as a whole in the MCU yet you absurdly claim that if this happened to the MCU's version of "Islam" then it's still actually Islam. But that obviously wouldn't be true.
Islam has its own clear definition of what a Muslim is. Kamala Khan does not meet that definition. Therefore, she's not a real Muslim. That's not based on the beliefs of so-called fundamentalist extremist Islam. That's just based on the basic beliefs of ordinary Islam that it's always had since the time Islam started. Islam has never defined itself as simply an inherited trait passed down through the generations. Islam is defined by active beliefs. Mohammed gave a specific definition of what it means to be a Muslim and Kamala Khan doesn't meet that definition. At most, she would be a <i>former</i> Muslim.
But on top of that, your argument fails because you're forced to make a straw man of Kamala Khan's Islam. The Ms. Marvel show doesn't concede that she's a non-devout or non-pious Muslim. It doesn't concede that the Islam she practices in the MCU is somehow different from Islam in the real world. It presents her as an ordinary, devout Muslim practicing the exact same version of Islam practiced by real Muslims in the real world.
The fact that Kamala Khan doesn't cover her face doesn't change anything I said about the Ms. Marvel show presenting her as an observant Muslim. Most orthodox Muslims don't believe that Muslim women are required to cover their faces. The differences in beliefs among Muslims on the question of whether Muslim women should cover their faces is part of the legitimate diversity of opinions within Islam. It's not central to basic Muslim theology.
Pointing out that mutants and other super beings appear on a daily basis in the MCU still doesn't help your case. You pointed out that this was normal. But it didn't start out normal. It <i>became</i> normal <i>over the course of time</i>. And the very first instance of it would have caused an immediate crisis of faith for all monotheists. Religious faith in those circumstances couldn't be maintained without an intense spiritual struggle. Neither the Ms. Marvel show nor anything else in the MCU shows any such struggle of faith. The beginning of Avengers: Endgame shows Earth's society in crisis but there was absolutely no religious aspect to it that was shown. And that's completely separate from the issue of Thor's existence as a god.
I said that it was Janis's fault because it was Janis's plan. Janis came up with that plan entirely on her own. Without Janis's plan, Cady never would have joined the Plastics. That's important because Janis never took responsibility for coming up with that plan. Janis attacked Cady for being a Plastic when she didn't invite her to her party and then accepted Cady's apology at the Spring Fling without ever taking any responsibility for her role in all of it. Janis can't be legitimately aggrieved for events that she helped cause.
I would add that your talk about Cady's "decision" obscures the fact that she simply didn't understand the ramifications of her decision. Cady didn't understand that hanging out with the Plastics and pretending to be one of them would lead to her becoming an actual mean girl. There was no way for her to know that would happen. Cady didn't "decide" to become an actual mean girl. It was a process that happened slowly over time due to the Plastics' influence on her.
You seem to misunderstand the poll. It's not saying that 71% of Gazans support <i>future</i> Hamas attacks against Israel. It's saying that 71% of Gazans believe Hamas made the right choice by carrying out the October 7th attack 6 months ago. Their homes have been bombed and families killed as a result of the October 7th attack. 71% of Gazans believe that carrying out that attack that resulted in tens of thousands killed in Gaza was the right decision by Hamas. Just consider how insane that perspective is 5 months into this war.
And how the hell is Israel's response a "blunder" in any way? Hamas took over 200 hostages during the attack, with over 100 still remaining in captivity. The IDF has to attack Hamas in Gaza to free the hostages outright or to put pressure on Hamas to release them. Hamas already massacred over a thousand Israelis on 10/7, by far the worst terrorist attack on Israel in its history. It's Israel's 9/11. Hamas is dedicated to Israel's complete destruction. 2 weeks after the attack, a Hamas leader vowed that Hamas would carry out more such attacks again and again and again until Israel is destroyed. Hamas in Gaza already started off this war with tens of thousands of fighters.
So how the hell does Israel's current war in Gaza make Israel any worse off? What the hell would Israel actually gain by not trying to destroy Hamas in Gaza? Refraining from this war wouldn't free the Israeli hostages in Gaza and it wouldn't end Hamas's war to destroy Israel. If Israel succeeds in completely destroying the Hamas leadership and infrastructure in Gaza then it will be a lot harder for future potential terrorists in Gaza to put together attacks against Israel. If the Hamas leadership and infrastructure is destroyed then there won't be any terrorist group for those tens of thousands of potential new recruits to join.
So you know that your OP is complete bullshit but you just don't care. Telling me I get the last word in just proves you know I made you look bad and you can't do anything about it.
And as I told you here just an hour ago, I'm NOT a Christian. I told you I'm an atheist. I didn't even grow up Christian. So who's the real moron here?
Read 'em and weep:
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So now that we've fully established what you said about Christians, the point stands that it's absurd for you to try to make Biden look good by pointing to him celebrating his Christianity. The difference between Trump's and Biden's Easter messages is irrelevant. By your logic, they're both ignorant, backwater morons just for celebrating Easter. So you're the one that's full of bullshit here. There's nothing wrong with me for pointing that out.
You don't even realize how dumb you're being right now. You did in fact say that all Christians are ignorant, backwater morons. Here's the exact quote from you:
<blockquote>all conservatives and Christians are ignorant, backwater morons</blockquote>
I never said or otherwise indicated that I "worship" Trump. In fact, I said on this forum that this year's Presidential election is a choice between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. I also never said that I'm a Christian. I don't even believe in God at all. I've previously said on this forum that I'm an atheist. So who's really the stupid one here?
So my question still stands. Why the hell do you think that Biden the Christian celebrating an important Christian holiday and sending warmest wishes to all Christians celebrating an important Christian holiday in the manner that you quote him here reflects positively on him? By your logic, your quotation of Biden's Easter message is the ultimate proof that he's an ignorant, backwater moron.
You said just a few days ago that all Christians are ignorant, backwater morons. So why the hell do you think that Biden the Christian celebrating an important Christian holiday and sending warmest wishes to all Christians celebrating an important Christian holiday in the manner that you quote him here reflects positively on him? By your logic, your quotation of Biden's Easter message is the ultimate proof that he's an ignorant, backwater moron.
I haven't seen any videos of Israeli soldiers escorting settlers to attack Palestinians. No Palestinian civilians were killed by Israelis under such conditions over that time period. The facts are what they are.