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No, he only ACTS conscious, ACTS like suffering. That's the entire point: it's ARTIFICIAL
No one gets to OWN, AI right? Isn't it is own living being, as you say?
So it comes down to programming it to be better than us...
I work deep in the tech industry.....
Ever been to a web site that doesn't work quite right? Maybe you reload it and suddenly it starts working? No one knows why and no one cares enough to fix it. THAT is how bad we are at programming. That failure to load page is representative of one tiny glitch that could make AI kill us all. LITERALLY.
We can't even get simple web pages right, you think AI will be amazing?
David was designed programed with artificial conscious and fake suffering. His being assembled will never NOT be the basis for his entire existence. His conscious was manufactured by us as a tool or entertainment.
When you murder a nonplayer character in a video game who looks and acts human, is that cruel and evil?
We all know cruelty to humans or other living animals is wrong, but is it wrong to drop and break your flashlight, and toss it out and get a new one?
way to long and boring. yes, we get it, a little cat and mouse.
that's the old way of movies....
like when even older movies would show a car drive up, a guy get out, walks around the car, gets something out of the trunk, closes the trunk, looks at the house, walks across the lawn, walks on to the sidewalk, walks up to the front door, rings the bell, waits, rings it again, looks around, walks to one side of the porch, then the other, walks off the porch, stops, walks around to the back of the house.
those kinds of shots are no longer needed. we like to get to the STORY, not every little movement detail. more room for good story when there is less room for time wasting scenes.
will we be able to tell any difference between "Alive" or just "fantastic programming"?
And will it even matter when we can't?
This is why we need to keep things in check.
I know, right?? Totally lost gem! I bought the DVD and some of their other movies, but Lost Skel is the best. I wish that guy had more backing.
I still use that joke all the time!!!
ha! lost skeleton... :D
you are an AI, aren't you. going for misdirection? :D
why would we even ever consider letting AI get that far? we want to be ruled by our flashlights? :D
true true true.
for me, AI began with the first programs that can do things based on differing input. yes, those are not alive, but they are artificially intelligent, and now, many of them out think me regularly.
I'm not feeling like we will ever really unplug/erase an AI.... if we did, there'd be a healthy back up to start it somewhere else... another non-human trait.
when we get to the point of REAL AI in robots acting human, I guess I will be on the side of the movie AI bad guys "flesh traders" or whatever they were called, feeling AI is nothing more than a tool to help us - like calulators, cellphones, toasters, and flash lights - and nothing to have to "respect" or acknoledge as "alive"
but won't be shocked when we make SKYNET. Heck, even the MATRIX says we marveled at our own magnificence as we gave birth to AI.....
it's very basic to support my point exactly. flashlight is a tool, a thing we built to help us in some way....
the largest computer on the planet is well made enough to take in data, modify it's programming, and actions based on compilations of ARTIFICIAL intelligence WE programmed into it (or "learned", if that is what our programming told us to mimic), yet when you switch if off, no one cares, and it does not lose any of that info... although we could and always should have the chose to erase it as needed.... it is just a tool. Very advanced, but just like a flashlight.
it's a big, ugly gray box in a room and no one "CARES" about it, it's a tool, like a wrench, or an MRI machine, an arc welder, or a flashlight.
Do we respect, and potentially fall in love with our flashlight? or toaster, or washing machine, or MRI machine, or tire alignment system, or car building robots, or video games, cell phones, or even a flashlight? do we give those all personality programming so we CAN fall in love with them? sounds tad dippy to me. :) perhaps we are losing our rational to know how to love other humans, we have to build replacements that fit our exact specifications?
put that computer into the SHAPE of a human bean and make it ACT like a human - for fun, and our entertainment (is there any other reason? are we short on humans that we want to make more?) or perhaps slave utility (still a helper tool), but now it ACTS human, we must respect it? Even if it is just programming that allows it to ACT like it is "alive"?
It's called "Artificial" for a good reason.
this is the fear: you want to respect him like a human because he is programmed to act human. nothing more than programming.
If I read a line in a novel about a fictional character that acts like a human, I can relate to that character, but it is nothing more than writing on a page. I don't get to know them later, fall in love with their qualities, and choose to marry a paper pager person that doesn't exist.
same with robots.
we can practice being humane with them - after all, they are built for pretending and practicing - but if we elevate beyond them being simple flashlights, we're toast. we're fucked ourselves and deserve whatever we have coming from them. or ourselves.
what a bizarre and unrelated comment. care to put it into context for the discussion?
pretty sure YOU,
people like you
is this a personal attack or the start of some point you are trying to make?
do you understand discussions? I used the term WE as in all of humanity, not only ME.
while I mostly agree with all you are saying here, I use my flashlight analogy because it is something WE designed and built: a tool. We can pull the batteries, turn it completely off, and then back on, replace all the parts at will, smash it and throw it out, because it is a "thing". we don't (normally) treat humans this way: kill them, bring them back to life, trade parts for fun, upgrade them however we see fit at the time, or melt them down for good.
if we make robots pretend to ACT emotionally, it's still just a flashlight that now ACTS like a human. does it deserve our respect or can we still see it as it really is: a metal flashlight? disposable.
If we bring it up to the level of human respects, do we bring humans down to the level of a flashlight? just as disposeable?
do you want to put stuff we designed and built on the same level of honor and respect as a human?
it's the end of us, if we do. although I arrived at that perspective before hearing from others, I have since read some other people are on the same page: Elon Musk, Bill Gates, Steven Hawking... they are generally pretty smart people
Not wanting to ARGUE, I think this is an interesting discussion, and I enjoy your input.
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aren't humans meat and grown flesh that have unique personalities and connections that cause love and connection in us?
Can we have a deep connection with a flashlight?
I can love a fellow human I don't even know, for existing, and the trouble they made it through, but I could care less about a flashlight's troubles. We built it, made it do what it does, PROGRAM it to do or say what it does, but it is still a flash light.
I would weep over the loss to humanity of a human dying, but never weep for a "life like" flashlight (robot) yes because it parrots that it "loves" me.
The massive self growth of AI into supposed sentient being with mimic emotions, is still ONLY code and mechanical parts. If it blows up, just get another one just like it. If a person blows up, good luck replacing that.
did you read the next sentence?
wow. shitty found home movies are now works of "art". heh whatever
you don't understand... the originals still exist. go watch them. nobody cares if you do. these fixed versions dont hurt anyone, or DELETE the originals. ZERO HARM IS BEING DONE. ignore it if you prefer
I imagine that with 12 frames per second being the only best availalbe technology at the time, the set directors, colorists, AD, DP, gaffer, best boy, all decided these "films" represent reality the best they could in 12 FPS and should never be any different than stuttery, jerky, sped up looking garbage.
really?
like there was even a "director" on these :D
these are home movies
shame younger people are too young to see around those things like people with functioning brains are, but it makes sense. their loss. they should probably ignore their evil parents too who are not perfect, and have less than perfect traits.
perfect world, here we come! YES!