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In the mythology and comics Thor is overtly the god of thunder, but Odin made it so that he can only lift his hammer if he is pure of heart and does so with love.
So, Thor can only do good and loving things with the his power, so he's a kind of god of love. In the old stories about him, he would always show up to help people, feed them, and so forth.
In the first Avengers, Loki makes him and the others argue. He says, "You humans and so tiny, and petty" and laughs at his friends. Later, he crashes to Earth and has trouble picking his hammer up. That's because he was getting mean spirited and so then he loses his power.
The Eternal told Hulk not to do that because it would be destructive.
Kind of a selfish move by Cap, which is something he wouldn't do, which is a plot hole.
It was a plot device to get rid of Cap and have the whole Falcon is Cap crap.
Buddy, that is not what it said in the the first movie.
They promised the Eternal, or whatever her name is, that they wouldn't do that because it was dangerous for reality.
He does it anyway and apparently he created a whole other possibly screwed up universe because he wanted a relationship with a dead woman.
It's bad writing.
It isn't a human sacrifice.
You must sacrifice the soul of someone they love the most.
So, committing suicide would only work for some ultra narcissist, lol.
Also, trying to stop someone you love wouldn't work either as you aren't sacrificing them willingly.
Yeah, not a plot hole.
That is unless it would be out of character for Cap not to think about the rules he was told just to accomplish a task.
If you believe he wouldn't forget, then it's a plot hole.
Not major though.
It's called The Infinity Gauntlet for a reason.
Thanos simply wishes for all half of all living things in the universe to vanish, and they do, so come on.
There is nothing that says one has to gain control of the stones.
That was a plot hole too.
Both wanted to commit suicide, not kill someone they loved.
Hawkeye didn't sacrifice her, she died of her own choice.
He shouldn't have gotten the stone at all.
She killed herself and if she "loved herself the most" then the stone would have gone to her, while dead. If she didn't love herself and committed suicide, she'd just be dead since that's not the rules of the stone.
They had 21 films to tell the story though!
Yes.
Even if the stones apart are lethal, together they form a wish machine.
It makes no sense that something that brings massive reality altering wishes to life burns you alive.
It didn't in the comics. The comics were a long well thought out story about power and what one does with it. In this movie the glove was a plot device and that's it.
Hawkeye, a human, holds the soul stone in his had.....!
Anyway, when the stones come together, you can control reality just by thinking about it. That means if you want to live and are controlling this thing, you can. You could wish yourself to be anything.
The movie has a giant plot hole due to this.
It's just a fact. The story violates the explained powers of the gauntlet.
All very good points.
1. Thanos, and many comic villains, have some reason why they do what they do. That to me is very good writing because it shows that a person who thinks they're right can do a lot of damage, versus just showing them as mean and evil, which is too simplistic.
Thanos was dumbed down here but at least a little of his thoughtful, but incorrect, nature was shown.
2. You Cap comment was very good.
I hated that in the Nolan Batman movies too. Batman is a driven crazy person who is fueled by the trauma of seeing his parents murdered. A person like that doesn't just give up their single goal in life to retire.
Cap isn't insane but he's a huge believer and would sacrifice himself for the good of the world. In the first movie, he got picked because he was willing to throw himself on a grenade and die for others. So, all of a sudden, he decides to give that up, get a job doing something mundane, because he likes this girl.
That's an out of character behavior plot hole.
3. Soul Stone: I didn't get the impression those two deeply loved each other as all. In addition, Hawkeye didn't sacrifice BW, she fell. Unless BW was in love with herself and killed herself, because she did, but then the gem wouldn't go to Hawkeye.
So, that was another plot hole as the scene violated the logic of the soul stone story.
4. The gauntlet allows the user to change reality. So, when it's burning you, all you'd have to do is want it to stop.
That's an extremely dumb plot hole.
5. The Spiderman return to school things was glaringly stupid.
The film was fun and good because of the amount of stuff and fast paced storytelling. But, there was no reason to change the story that much from the comics. It was logical and didn't suffer from these problems and I'm always mystified why Hollywood breaks quality stories.
How come we can sit here and easily see this stuff but people in charge of a budget worth a fortune can't?
He did this on a universal level, not just Earth.
Also, in the comics he did this to impress a cosmic being that represented death, which wasn't shown in the film. So, his actions in the comics were like a giant human sacrifice, rather than some plot to improve life by killing people.
This is endgame:
"Many stories, especially in the fantasy genre, feature an object or objects with some great power. Often what drives the plot is the hero's need to find the object and use it for good, before the villain can use it for evil, or if the object has been broken by the villains, to retrieve each piece that must be gathered from each antagonist to restore it, or, if the object itself is evil, to destroy it. In some cases destroying the object will lead to the destruction of the villain."
The comic didn't use a plot device but used Thanos' personality as the ending, which is a real story.
You don't understand what a plot hole is.
"In fiction, a plot hole, plothole or plot error is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot.[1] Such inconsistencies include such things as illogical or impossible events,[2] and statements or events that contradict earlier events in the storyline. The term is more loosely also applied to "loose ends" in a plot – side-lined story elements that remain unresolved by the end of the plot."
The comics didn't have this problem.
In the comics Thanos uses the glove and then finds he's tired of it because he got what he wanted, the struggle was over, then it was boring to have no struggle. That's a good philosophical point about power, wanting control, and just having a mission in life. Lots of athletes will suffer depression, for instance, after completing an event. That was Thanos.
In the movies, the glove is a plot hole, because the glove hurting people is a contradiction to what the thing is supposed to do. It's as simple as that.
So, instead of being part of the philosophy of the story, as in the comics, it become a Plot Device, to end the story. Which is odd since the comics had a better ending.
From Wiki
"A plot device, or plot mechanism,[citation needed] is any technique in a narrative used to move the plot forward.[1] A contrived or arbitrary plot device may annoy or confuse the reader, causing a loss of the suspension of disbelief. However a well-crafted plot device, or one that emerges naturally from the setting or characters of the story, may be entirely accepted, or may even be unnoticed by the audience."
Comics constantly reset reality through cosmic events.
The stones still exist and so that means anything is possible. If they want to, they can have everyone come back, restart a new universe, or whatever.
Iron Man from universe 46 could show up, and so forth. The TV show Flash does an excellent job of this with a scientist character on the show. The actor who plays him is great great and has played many alternate universe versions of the character. All you have to do is do a good job writing it, and then it's acceptable.
Anyway, if Marvel can do a good Fantastic Four then you can have that, a quality Silver Surfer movie, very good story, and then Galactus can show up. He's the one that made Surfer. He comes to Earth and the FF fight him, but the story can be increased to include Avengers.
Marvel has had success with serial stories and crossovers and they need to keep that going.
There's MANY films like that today.
When people complain about "social justice warrior SJW" films they're complaining about propaganda. It's propaganda because the subject matter isn't common sense, meaning ideas generally agreed upon, and so it's inserted into the film to influence. The influence is against what most agree upon and so it's the filmmaker pushing an agenda disguised as entertainment.
As you can see, the more obvious it is the more it annoys people.
These are all stupid comments.
Superheroes require a PERSONALITY to be the character.
Superman has a specific story which says that a person brought up by kind and ethical people will produce a wonderful person. His parents are the reason he's no some super overlord.
So, no one can "fill in" for Superman if he's gone.
Batman is an insanely driven person fighting crime because his parents were murdered in front of him. So, his passion cannot be duplicated by another person wearing his suit. No matter their physical abilities and stuff, they cannot be Batman.
Marvel frequently does the opposite, yet has the same kind of characters.
Only a very intense and semi-crazy person is going to build a super suit and use it. Another kind of person is not going to put themselves on the line like that.
You cannot have another Captain America due to his very unique story and motivation. You could use his shield as a tribute but you can't be "Black" Captain America or whatever.
People who love comics don't just love the uniform of these characters but love the personality. That's because you feel like you know the person even though they aren't real. Comics and movies that kill off beloved characters fail.
That might be the best troll post I've ever read.
Heinous.