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He could have killed Grey Worm
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Sure, with no other of the Unsullied around to see.
I fully agree on that one.
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Why would Jon tell the unsullied what he has done and allow himself to be captured?[/quote]
Because that’s the only thing a Jon Snow would do. If he had done it your way, a lot of people would have screamed: "That was SO out of character!" – and they would’ve been right.
> He should have walked out of there as if
> everything was normal and quickly made
> plans to subdue the unsullied and dothrakis
> with Arya and the remaining Westerosi men."
All of it before Grey Worm walks in to see dead Dany and says: "So, let me see, was anybody in here with her?"
So, he’s got, what, 15 to 20 minutes to make the plans and subdue them? And of course, with lots of more bloodshed because Jon’s so into killing people…
I fully agree here.
And regarding the "questionable writing": In my opinion, the main problem really is that they rush some things. Parts of it feel like we’re given a summary of the events instead of the real story. It’s not as great as I hoped it’ll be, but in my opinion it’s nowhere near as bad as, say, the final season of Lost.
I’ll wait to see who survives before thinking about that.
But apart from that, yes, it’d be great to see the Adventures of Arya – when she finds out what’s west of Westeros.
That is, IF she survives…
Then, ummm…
Hot Pie finds out that he is the bastard grandson of Aerys Targaryen. He takes over Drogon and the throne. His first act as King is to establish the law that when making a pie, the butter HAS to be browned before making the dough. And he renames Winterfell to Winterhell.
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and... doesn't kill them because their plot armour is too strong.
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No, he made perfectly clear why he didn’t kill them, and that explanation was totally logical (regarding Bronn’s character and history).
I agree with you on the "conveniently together" part, though. Even if you assume that he didn’t *find* them together and alone but *waited out* until they were together and alone… ummm, where did he hide? Behind some curtain?
About the getting in and out unnoticed: Well, there were a lot of soldiers from all over the north, and probably no one knew all of them, so he proably could easily pass for one of them. He doesn’t have the famous face or golden hand that Jamie has.
I think it’s pretty clear that it was about revenge.
Back when he heard about Arya’s list and that the Mountain is on the list, he said something along the lines of: "He's on my own list as well." And when he met his brother in S07E07, he said: "You know who’s coming for you. You’ve always known."
As for the "new life" part – I think he was done with that after the story with the septon guy played by Ian McShane (can’t remember the character’s name), that’s my interpretation.
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Her death could have been something phenomenal and talked about for a long time to come
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As I’ve said in another thread:
Making her death NOT phenomenal and to-be-talked-about is the worst (and thus, most fitting) punishment for her crimes. If she had had the choice, she surely would’ve chosen some Grand Exit. But… no, my dear. You just get buried under rubble like thousands of other inhabitants of King’s Landing. No special treatment for you.
For Ramsay, the worst possible ending (in his own eyes) was to be torn apart by his own hounds at the hands of a woman. So he got it.
For Cersei, it was… this. So she got it.
THAT’S karma.
I like it.
Oh, by the way… I know it’s off-topic here, but since you mention it:
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IF she had not locked up Viserion and Rhaegal after Drogon burned the little girl.
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I always expected that at some point, it’ll turn out that Drogon didn’t burn the girl after all – that it was just a ploy by the Masters of Slaver’s Bay or the Sons of the Harpy to take the dragons out of the game. Which, for a while, succeeded.
Well, I was wrong, obviously. But I still think it would’ve added a nice touch.
Of course, on the other hand, it did show that having dragons can be a problem as long as you’re not at war.
I don’t feel that Season 8 is THAT bad.
It is disappointing to me because they rush things, but that also holds true to some parts of Season 7 – Highgarden AND Dorne were removed from the game in what, 5 minutes?
Most of the series I’d rate 8.5 to 9.5 out of 10, while my overall rating for S8 (so far) would be something around 7. Which IS disappointing because I hoped for a fulminant, brilliant ending… but still is much better than most things I’ve seen on TV.
Now, I just hope that they set some things straight in the final ep and don’t trash it totally.
(Trashing it totally would be something like, say, Bran waking up and realizing it all had been just a fever dream after he was pushed from the tower…)
Great idea!
Together, they build the triumvirate that rules the Seven Kingdoms!
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Of course Arya's the only survivor in a whole area.
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I think there sould be a new measuring unit called "Arya": Escaping almost certain death three times within less than 5 minutes is 1 Arya.
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they should have started last year at the latest.
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Here, I can agree again.
The ONLY thing that (in my opinion) can be said in favor of the writing is: If they had build up her madness over a long time, nobody would’ve been surprised at her rampage. We just would have said: "Oh yeah, I expected that."
Now, I was like: "Hey, what? WHAT? She really goes Mad Queen?!? NOW????"
Getting surprised is a good thing, usually. But here, I really would’ve preferred some decent character development.
OR
4. Drogon kills everybody who tries to kill Dany, and Dany gets to be Mad Queen.
Don’t worry, I’m sure there are a lot of fans here who didn’t make (or sign) petitions.
I know I didn’t.
We also didn’t see Stannis die, technically.
Yet he didn’t return … okay, we’ve got one episode left, but since Roose Bolton mentioned that he’s dead (not "missing"), I guess it’s safe to say that he IS dead.
I’m not saying that this makes it impossible that Cersei survived, I’m just saying that there also have been examples… okay, ONE example in which an important characters has died off-screen.
I think they added a part which really explains Dany’s rampage. Kind of.
In the "Previously on Game of Thrones" part (by the way, is there a proper English word for it?), after they showed Missandei’s death, they showed Dany’s face, dubbed by some quotes from previous episodes.
Here they are:
VARYS: He has the better claim to the throne.
CERSEI: Every time a Targaryen is born, the gods flip a coin.
BARRISTAN SELMY: The Mad King gave his enemies the justice he thought they deserved.
TYRION: Children are not their fathers.
OLENNA TYRELL: Be a dragon.
JORAH MORMONT: You have a gentle heart.
AEMON TARGARYEN: A Targaryen alone in the world is a terrible thing.
VISERYS: You don't want to awake the dragon, do you?
Combined with the expression on Dany’s face (hard as it may be to read), and especially with Visery’s quote being the last one, this might point to the possibilty that this was the moment when Dany cracked. When she later promised to break off the attack when the bells toll, she lied. She never planned to do it.
Trouble is:
– It’s a stretch, I’m aware of that.
– You don’t put an important part like that into the "Previously on" part. That’s like… hmmm, a rough patch for bad writing.
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Like when she burned one invading ship out of a hundred and accepted the surrender of the other 99.
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While I agree with you on the Tarlys/Lannister soldiers bit, I don’t agree here.
She spared 99 ships because she NEEDED ships. We now can speculate what she would have done if that hadn’t been the case, but that… well, would be speculation.
Alright then, I forgot that he said that. But still I don’t think that the writers forgot who Jamie was.
It just means that Bronn is a bighead.