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If the dummy in the White House would stop creating ill-thought-out Executive Orders then there would be no immigration "crisis".
The economy has been growing since June 2009.
Their point is that Trump is using the Hitler handbook.
"Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it."
- George Santayana
A detention center is a jail. When I worked in Immigration, I mainly saw legal immigrants (green card holders) in them after they had been released from prison while their case was heard before an immigration judge re: deportation. Green card holders with a warrant trying to reenter the U.S. were also brought to them after their A file# was run through the system. I'm sure illegals and asylum seekers were placed in them too, but not where I worked.
Speaking of wasting money, let's discuss costs per day.
Trump's stupid plan of placing families in detention camps:
One adult - $133.99
One child - $700.00
The successful Family Case Management Program which Trump recently shutdown:
One adult- $5-7
One family - $36
If you really care about tax dollars then you would be supporting the latter program that Trump ended.
This program had families live with their relatives or other housing and assigned a social worker while their case was pending before an immigration judge. 99% success rate for reporting to their immigration court hearings.
"How come the Democrats and Republicans are not working together to fix the problem?"
Not even Republicans can agree on a solution because there are moderate and far right ones with different ideas.
BTW, illegal immigration has been trending down since 2000. Unfortunately, there is a fool in the White House who exploits bigotry and fear mongers. He created the Dreamers and family separation crisis with his Executive Orders.
You are deflecting. You are also using misinformation from a site known for misleading information.
Stop trying to justify an evil policy by a sociopath bigot who wants to create internment camps on American soil and place young babies in them as a policy of determent. Torturing babies is wrong. Period.
Your link is highly inaccurate so I am linking two fact checking links which both confirm that your article is misleading and incorrect. When people have to lie to support a position, then it should be obvious that there is something inherently wrong about their position.
An illegal immigrant parent being deported back to their country while an American-born child stays behind in the U.S. is not the same thing as tearing babies out of their mothers arms and placing them alone in cages and tents.
[url]https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-dont-separate-mommy-protest-sign-real/[/url]
[url]https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/did-the-obama-administration-separate-families/[/url]
why does Trump want to add tens of thousands of children to these jails instead of shutting them down? A total a waste of my tax dollars.
Stop deflecting. Trump has separated THOUSANDS of children from their parents and placed babies and toddlers alone in jails. Very sick. Trump's biographer did warn that he was a sociopath.
I used to work in Immigration. I know detention centers are jails because there was one in the building where I worked. A judge must sign an order for deportation. All detainees have a right to due process. It's obvious that Trump is breaking the law.
The U.S. government noticed an upsurge in people crossing the border from El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala a few years ago. That upsurge was a direct result of gang violence. Do you believe your ancestors made a poor choice?
Since March 2017, Trump had been planning to separate children from their parents as a deterrent. That's something that's done in Fascist countries.
It's also obvious that Trump wants to put them in detention camps indefinitely. We might as well be honest and call them internment camps.
Trump stopped a successful program that was handling asylum seekers and their children. Instead of keeping them in jails, they lived with relatives or other housing and a social worker made sure they returned for their court hearings. They did 99% of the time - even those who were eventually deported. I'll guarantee that is much cheaper too.
[url]https://www.vox.com/2018/6/22/17483230/family-separation-immigration-alternatives-immigrant-detention-centers[/url]
No, outrage over child abuse should never be tempered. There is no justification for child abuse and blaming the victim for the bigoted policies of a autocrat.
He has also been trying to dehumanize them by using language like "infest". Something that Hitler did when he compared Jews to rodents by using similar language. It becomes easy to mistreat, torture and kill people who have been dehumanized.
There are reasons why longtime Republicans are leaving the party. They understand the danger that Trump represents to democracy.
The little girl is still a symbol of family separations. snopes is a little late. I watched the father's interview a few days earlier on Univision. BTW, photo was labeled as "possible separation" on Getty Image.
Today George Will left the Republican Party and urged other conservatives to not support the GOP, but vote Democrat. He said both the Senate and Congress needs a Democratic majority.
[url]http://thehill.com/homenews/393728-george-will-argues-for-voting-against-the-gop-in-midterms[/url]
Earlier this week, Steve Schmidt, longtime Republican campaign manager left the Republican party and also urged people to vote Democrat.
[url]http://time.com/5319120/steve-schmidt-republican-party/[/url]
More Republicans understand that Trump isn't conservative nor Republican and he represents a danger to America.
She's clearly a symbol of the thousands that are separated.
I would want to hear the mother's side of the story though. It sounds odd that she would leave all her other children behind. Not even a good-bye? And where did she get $6,000 to give to coyotes? And how come he knows the exact amount and that she gave it to coyotes as opposed to just keeping it for a new life in America? Did he really not know especially if he was the one to give her the money? I'd wait a few days for the rest of the story. This one sounds very incomplete.
Anyway, a few days ago I saw the father being interviewed on Univision TV so it wasn't really a secret. The article on their website dated June 18, 2018 mentions the same re: the photograph:
"...evidencia el drama de la separación de familias inmigrantes en la frontera. Aunque en este caso, la niña nunca fue separada de su madre."
...evidence of the separation drama of immigrant families on the border. Although in this case, the child was never separated from her mother.
[url]https://www.univision.com/noticias/inmigracion-infantil/se-me-partio-el-alma-al-ver-la-foto-padre-de-la-nina-que-llora-mientras-arrestan-a-su-madre-video[/url]
No secret.
The Spanish language news is more graphic with the images and giving more information than the English news which is tame in comparison.
[url]https://www.univision.com/shows/noticiero-univision/audio-el-llanto-desesperado-de-ninos-inmigrantes-que-fueron-separados-de-sus-padres-en-la-frontera-video[/url]
I think the person may just want to make a statement that the fans aren't happy.
They don't fact check enough. I tend to do my own fact checking.
Perhaps a parody site. Maybe Johnson himself created it since he's such a troll.
That site sounds like a parody site to me. In one hour he went from $22 million to $60 million? And if they're going to turn the money over to Disney, how could they guarantee donors names in the credit? The odd thing is that legitimate news sources aren't doing any fact checking about this site and who is running it.
Besides. why would anyone want Disney to remake the film when they messed it up to begin with?
An investigation by the Center for Investigative Reporting's Reveal website published Wednesday found that in the past four years, nearly half of the $3.4 billion paid to 71 private companies that house migrant children went to 13 "operating homes facing serious allegations of child mistreatment."
[url]http://www.businessinsider.com/migrant-children-forcibly-drugged-abused-in-us-government-detention-2018-6[/url]
"Merice Perez Colon, an employee of a temporary shelter in Homestead, Florida, was sentenced to 10 years in prison in November for engaging in sexually inappropriate behavior with minors housed at the shelter. In one case, she asked a 15-year-old boy for a pornographic video of him, which he provided.
The shelter, which shut down suddenly in April 2017, reopened in February after the federal health agency awarded it a contract of $20 million, which grew to more than $30 million when the number of children housed doubled from 500 to 1,000. "
"Several companies that house migrant children have employed workers accused of sexual misconduct and abuse, Reveal’s investigation found. "
[url]https://www.revealnews.org/article/migrant-children-sent-to-shelters-with-histories-of-abuse-allegations/[/url]
I'm hoping the show dies in the ratings and goes away.
She likes to make statements with her clothes. Maybe because she was a model.
For instance, after her husband was caught saying that he liked to grab women by the pu**y, she wore a pussy-bow blouse. There were other examples too.
Then why do you care so much about right wing Christianity? If you read my original link, then you would know that the author's references are historical, worldwide and multi-religious. Not only does it appear you didn't read the linked article, but it doesn't appear you watch the show.
[url]http://www.stylist.co.uk/books/handmaids-tale-channel-4-tv-show-spoilers-books-real-life-true-events-margaret-atwood-elisabeth-moss[/url]
You seem to be missing the whole point about what happens when children are separated from their parents. Child abuse is wrong. I'm not sure why you don't get that.
BTW, you're assuming that I was an Obama supporter. You're assuming wrong. and I don't like deflection.
Many things you're saying is searching for justification for what's happening. There is no justification for child abuse. These children need to be returned to their parents as soon as possible.
BTW, Fox and Breitbart have a habit of censoring much of the news by omission or distortion. Many things you wrote, I've heard said on Fox for justification or to make people think what is happening is OK. It's not. Or they are trying to act as if Trump wasn't responsible. He is. He signed the executive order creating the policy of taking children from their parents. He also lied and said he couldn't change the policy. The next day he signed another EO to change the policy again. But this does nothing to unite children with their parents.
My point is that I hope you would expand your news sources. There are thousands of news sources both local and international conveniently on the internet. And fact check or go to news services which are fair and balanced.
https://www.factcheck.org/
https://www.snopes.com/
https://www.reuters.com/
https://apnews.com/
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/
Most of these parents are fleeing gang violence in Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador. These gangs are especially targeting girls. One mother left after a gang said if her 14 year old daughter didn't join, her daughter would be raped and the entire family killed. Another women was going to be killed because she had witnessed her husband's two cousins murdered. The parents and children lives are already in jeopardy in their own countries which is why flee. These are desperate people who are trying to survive. If a gang said they would kill your child, would you stay?
Also remember that American policies helped to create the problem. Some of those gangs originated in L.A. and we were supporting corrupt governments and helped overthrow a democratically elected Honduran president. Our hands are not clean and we share some responsibility.
"...The Northern Triangle is home to transnational gangs, such as MS-13 and the 18th Street Gang, both founded in Los Angeles, as well as drug cartels and criminal organizations with origins in the area’s civil wars.... Corruption, weak and unstable government institutions and political turmoil make it difficult for Central American countries to combat the gangs and violence."
This complete article:
[url]https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/immigration-border-crisis/central-america-s-violence-turmoil-keeps-driving-families-u-s-n884956[/url]
"the fact that their parents broke the law... "
It's not illegal to ask for asylum. Are you aware that Trump Admin. has illegally been blocking migrants from seeking asylum at the ports? There is a lawsuit pending:
[url]https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/litigation/[/url]
The children are in detention centers. That's incarceration. The ones in NYC are in foster AGENCIES - not foster homes.
Are you aware that Trump recently changed a law which required migrant children to have an attorney representing them? Why would he remove their legal advocate?
It could also be a deflection. She has everyone talking about her jacket instead of the suffering of these children and their parents. Also, her husband had to back down because of the outcry within his own party against child abuse so she may want to deflect against that.
"Can they be any dumber? "
Certainly cruel.
Remember when she announced that she wanted to stop bullying despite being married to a bully? She is either completely self unaware of dumb as a wall.