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I saw that. It threw me off at first, but I like it.
"It feels like she doesn't have a conscience at this point to allow herself to fall into such delicate territory where her sons are concerned."
She doesn't really. She's very much of the mentality, 'Well, I'm the parent. I know what's best for you,' despite her telling Dean that she wasn't just a Mom and all the rest of it. She doesn't want to be painted with that brush and yet she's behaving like one with 2 grown men, one of whom is almost a decade older than she is supposed to be.
"The colt is the new the grenade launcher."
Yeah, I'm getting that, or I was thinking the even longer running gag of him not getting pie.
Takes a deep breath and slowly exhales. Repeats to self: This all has to be going somewhere. The set up is there. All they have to do is follow through on it.
And let's not forget how badly they screwed up in The Raid.
So, Dean's still not going to get to use the Colt? Awesome. /sarcasm I'm guessing that is going to be the new running gag on this show. On the other hand if they get rid of it, never to be seen again, it'll make killing monsters harder.
"It's taken her long enough to admit she has DOUBTS."
To have no doubts about them until now? You'd think finding Sam in the state he was in after Toni was done with him would have done that.
Early overnights have the ratings at 1.58 viewers and 0.5 in the demo.
"I want to be wrong, more than anything."
I want you to be wrong more than anything too. ;)
Hey gonzogirrl! I saw you on twitter last night giving it your all, which I can totally understand.
Until I'm proved otherwise, I think this episode was furthering Dean's storyline. There were parallels between Dean and the sheriff and Sam and the sheriff's brother. Dean's story has been much more introspective than we're used to getting from him, but at the same time, who can he talk to about anything? He told his Mom that what he and Sam did made the world a better place, and what did she do? She ignored that, left, and started working with an organization she thinks does the job better than her sons. He told Sam that saving the room full of people from Lucifer was a win, and because Sam lost his hero Vince Vicente, Sam said it wasn't a win (even though Vince's meatsuit was gone long before they got there - hence the reason Lucifer needed Rowena to fix it). Cas has just disappeared, literally, off the face of the planet.
Dean has stayed who he is throughout, whereas Mary, Sam, and Cas have been orbiting further and further away from him. Sam's chasing his Mom, that normal life, the toys/lore the BMoL have. He chose a side. It just wasn't Dean's even though they're still working together, and I think Sam's actually being rewarded in the short term with more kills, etc. because he's working with the BMoL whole heartedly at this point, so he's going to continue to see it as a good thing (even after they're shown to be the villains, I'm sure he'll still want to use their technology if not their ethos, and that's not the kind of hunter Dean is). Cas chose the angels. Mary chose her own agenda and the BMoL.
I think Dean's talk about legacy and thinking about what he'll leave behind is the first thing he's felt like saying in a while now, or at least since Mary misconstrued his words about being a Mom to win an argument, and then Sam ultimately sided with her and had Dean unknowingly working for the BMoL for several weeks (which made it nearly impossible for Dean to object, since nothing bad had happened in all that time). I think questioning their legacy, what they'll leave behind, etc. is a step in Dean's progression and gives some insight on where he is this season when everyone around him is telling him that what he's spent his whole life doing is wrong, has been done the wrong way, or wasn't good enough. He feels left behind, and the show is leaving him behind when it comes to kills, but in truth, he's actually the only one who is right. It has to come to something.
"Did anyone else have a problem with the horrible CGI breath during the freezer scenes?"
In short, no.
"They brought back the colt?"
They did, and they gave a little backstory on where it's been all this time.
7/10 if they follow up on Dean's storyline from this. 5/10 if not because of the BMoL and relegating Dean for no reason.
Pretty obvious that the guy who killed the first kid was a guy in a goat suit because the way it was shot made it look as if someone were looking out of a mask at the kid tied to a tree, and it looked like a guy in a goat costume when we saw his friend witness the death.
Dean still continues to despise working for the BMoL. "Just following orders," followed up with an eye-roll, and Sam picking up on the shade Dean threw, being uncomfortable, but ignoring it.
I liked the sheriff straight away. He seemed like a guy who is burned out, someone who used to care, but doesn't anymore, because nothing ever comes from doing or trying to do the right thing (For instance, trying to take the kid killed in the woods from a bad home didn't work out, and then the kid ended up having to take care of his abusive father after his father had a stroke). He's interested in anything but the job. Parallel to Dean?
Dean was extremely needy with the waitress in the diner. He was barely interacting with Sam the whole time just like he was barely interacting with Sam while he was cleaning the Colt back at the bunker. It comes across as him being shut down on Sam and this BMoL case. The sheriff also owns the meat packing plant, his family's business, but he doesn't have interest in that anymore either. I'm seeing another parallel with Dean.
The monster in the freezer was obviously a monster and not the guy in the goat costume. The guy in the goat costume has to work at the meat packing plant, because the way he stuns people by hitting them with the mallet is similar to how a mallet would be used to stun a cow. My money was on it being Darren's (the kid in the freezer) supervisor (I was right). He's knocking kids out and taking them to the monster to kill. Sam and the BMoL parallel?
As with the Colt and sex, Dean's more interested in his burger than anything else. I get a MoC Dean vibe about how he's trying to relish in things he normally would to create the illusion he's okay, but he's not.
I'm so annoyed by the BMoL once again doing something behind the Winchesters' backs. It's been happening all season. This kind of dramatic irony where the audience is more informed than the characters and therefore has a different take on what is happening in the show works in the short-term, like with plays or short stories, but for it to be continuing 18 episodes into the season with the Winchesters none the wiser, I don't need it to continue to pile up. We've had Ketch killing people they've let go, Ketch screwing their Mom, Mick being killed, the BMoL rummaging through their things, and now a bug's in the bunker . . . all without them noticing.
In this instance, the mission in the bunker doesn't make sense. There is something to be said for 'know your enemy', but one would think after having gotten to know them all season, the BMoL wouldn't really need to know much more about them. Besides, they've made it perfectly clear that the bunker is easy to get into, so all they have to do is walk into the bunker at night while the Winchesters are sleeping, kill them, and then find out whatever else it is they want to know about them.
The other side of that Sun Tzu quote from the Art of War is 'know yourself. If you know yourself, but not the enemy, for every victory gained, you will suffer a defeat.' The BMoL know exactly what/who they are. The Winchesters also know who they are, but they have no idea who their enemy is, and it's setting them up to lose. Also, the Colt does not belong to the BMoL just because they had it for a little while thanks to duplicitous Mary. I hate this BMoL storyline so much that what was shaping up to be a pretty decent MOTW episode started to plummet in my estimation.
Back to the MotW. We've got the sheriff saying, 'My family's got a secret,' and Dean relating even if snarkily. The sheriff put a stop to his family's dark legacy and wanted to help people. This parallels Dean's thoughts on hunting going all the way back to episode 1.2. Then we have the sheriff's brother saying a reversal of what Dean said in that episode about the family business. What's killing a few innocents if it saves the town? Parallel to Sam. More legacy talk from the sheriff and then Dean talking about legacy at the bunker. I liked this talk. Always like talk about mortality. Heavy handed carving letters scene for faux-BM. Didn't like that. Something that should've been saved for the very last episode unless they're going to lose the bunker soon.
I'm annoyed that Dean couldn't take on one man face-to-face by himself. Loved the Dean in the freezer scene. Loved his little freaked out laugh. Annoyed he didn't get to kill or at least put up more of a fight against Moloch. Is not getting to use the Colt now going to be Dean's new not getting pie? Very annoying.
*SPOILERS AND SPECULATION*
I've been thinking about it. What if this one is more like Family Remains than we're thinking it's going to be? The Memory Remains is a Metallica song about a celebrity who goes mad after fading into obscurity. On Dabb's weekly tweet with a hint, he quoted the song Maniac from Flashdance:
"On the ice blue line of insanity
Is a place most never see
It's a hard won place of mystery..."
It's referencing insanity again, and the guys who wrote Maniac were inspired by the slasher flick Maniac, which is about a serial killer in New York. They then had to change the song to make it fit the soundtrack for Flashdance. It may not mean anything, but I think that's fairly well known, and it's just curious Dabb would choose that line out of the entire song to quote. Maybe he's referencing Ketch with that. Maybe Ketch is hunting other hunters or the Winchesters while they're hunting, but if there's also some kind of juxtaposition with Black Bill the Goat God being a person who has gone mad (and wears a goat head from a costume) and what do you do with human monsters, it could be interesting. I know it's been done on this show in the past, but considering the boys are going to have to go up against human monsters again if they're going to deal with the BMoL, maybe it needs to be revisited given where they are in life now.
Honestly, I think it's going to have to come from within the show if there is going to be a change. If the cast is happy, they'll keep Dabb. If the cast isn't happy, Dabb will either have to change or go.
It is worth noting this website I found that has been keeping track of Supernatural's ratings and comparing them to last year. <a href="http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/supernatural-season-12-ratings/">Supernatural TV Season 12 Ratings</a> The premise of the article may be skewed with an attempt to prove whether the show will be dropped sooner rather than later, but the numbers they use are right. You can look at the data and decide what you think. Here is how the drops in the average of the demo and overall viewers looks:
Season 12 - demo average: 0.62 -11.34%| overall viewers average: 1.722 -2.96%
Season 11 - demo average: 0.7 -12.97% | overall viewers average: 1.775 - 12.14%
Season 10 - demo average: 0.81 -18.53% | overall viewers average: 2.02 -7.60%
Season 9 - demo average: 0.99 +7.94% | overall viewers average: 2.19 +2.78%
Season 8 - demo average: 0.9 | overall viewers average: 2.13
Season 7 - demo average: 0.73 | overall viewers average: 1.73 (This was a big drop from season 6 with an average of 0.98 in the demo and 2.24 overall viewers).
Now I understand that differences in viewership could coincide with night of the week and time slot, but if you look at the drops between seasons 6 & 7 as a guideline for when the network thinks a change in show runners might be warranted, I don't think we're there yet. Bringing in Carver coincided with Seasons 8 & 9 increasing, and then there's been a steady drop in ratings in seasons 10, 11, and 12. The drop in season 12 is in-line with the drop last year, and might partially be due to the age of the show as well as the overall CW ratings slide, but given that we're looking at about a 10% drop in the demo every year, you'd think they'd want to maybe curtail that if they can. If we stay around 0.6, I'm just not sure that it's a big enough drop to see a change of show runner unless we start seeing 0.4s and stick to the 0.5s. That's why I think it will come down to whether or not the cast is happy, and even then, I'm guessing they won't be able to do much about it until 13 is over, and they're renegotiating contracts.
Ha! I have no idea either. I keep going round and round on my reasoning for it being different characters. Maybe it won't be any, but I'd rather be prepared for it to happen and to anyone than be caught completely by surprise.
On the other hand, they did that with Toni shooting Sam in the finale last year. We all knew he'd live, but that was the cliffhanger. Would they do something like that 2 years running?
"We're probably going to spend the Summer hiatus worrying about who survived the finale "
And like a real world Schrodinger's cat, we can imagine the potential victims as both alive and dead for months. Our potential victim gets a few extra months of life and yet when we see the premier, we won't be as upset by the death, because we'll already have imagined they were dead too and will have gotten used to the idea by then.
I'm wondering why they've done something for Season 13 already. Were they filming flashbacks or something else where they needed the location and couldn't do it next year?
Yeah, it is. I think it's his first solo effort. I'm looking forward to seeing how he does. I also like that Phil Sgriccia is directing. From the looks of things, it seems to have the feel of earlier seasons, and for me, that's always a good start.
" I can't remember the group anyone remember?"
Are you talking about the Hillywood parody? There's a link below.
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCZy8cAgBlM">Hillywood Parody of Supernatural</a>