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The only thing I'm offended by is that this film isn't better known and appreciate by people, outside of being a "cult favorite."
I agree. As self-absorbed and potentially dislikeable as Mrs. Chasen could be, she's so entertaining to watch! And I did sympathize to a certain extent. I'd have a fit as well having to see my son's fake bloody messes all the time...
[i]first when it evolves from her filling out the dating questionnaire FOR harold and starts answering for herself, thus in a creepy way all of harolds dates are versions of his mother lol[/i]
Oh my goodness, I never thought of this... So, the psychiatrist wasn't far off the mark when he brought up the point about young men wanting to sleep with their mothers. No wonder Harold was so turned off by all those women. xD
Definitely this!:
Psychiatrist: "A very common neurosis, particularly in this society, whereby the male child subconsciously wishes to sleep with his mother... Of course, what puzzles me, Harold, is that you want to sleep with your [i]grandmother[/i]."
ROFL! I just wish that scene with the Army uncle, psychiatrist, and priest came a bit earlier. It's humour gets eclipsed a bit since it's just before the bittersweet climax and ending. But, still a brilliant scene regardless! :D
[i]I don't think it's wrong for an actor or actress to be demanding about their costumes, especially when they're the type heralded for their appearance and style...but since Audrey Hepburn is practically the ONE star hardly anyone has anything bad to say about, and it seems the entire universe worships and idolizes, I think it's funny that there was one designer out there in her day who just said, "Jesus...it's not worth it!"[/i]
That's very interesting! The fact that Hepburn can be difficult sometimes and just not have it broadcast!
In fact, I remember reading something similar about a dispute between Hepburn and (I believe) Stanley Donen about what color stockings to wear during a musical number from "Funny Face." He insisted on one color and she insisted on another. Hepburn was very adament about this detail, but eventually had to give in. Later, she calls to apologise and tells him that he was right.
I wish I remembered where I read that. It was probably in a book rather an online article. That's why I didn't find anything online....
[i]Later on you sort of wish she'd go through with the affair. [/i]
I don't "sort of wish," I wholeheartedly wish Meg would've had an affair with Signor Naccarelli! I can't believe Meg's husband is so selfish, he'd shut his daughter away so he wouldn't have to think about her anymore! I seriously hated this guy!
[i]I wonder if Emma Thompson's brilliant as she is will be revered in the future as Audrey Hepburn is and I suspect will be for ever and ever.[/i]
While Audrey is revered as an actress, the sad truth is her image endured strongly for purely superficial reasons, like Marilyn Monroe: mass commercialism. The image Hepburn in a black dress with her hair up and smoking a long cigarette in "Breakfast at Tiffany's" endures stronger than the rest of the entirety of her career put together.
It's not really fair to expect Emma Thompson to compete with something like that. I don't think she would even want to.
[i]I do SO adore and cherish my husband. Cherish him, our marriage, our children and the life we've built over many years so I'd fight like hell to keep him. He, like Stephen, would not by nature "just cheat. There were needs unmeet (not just sexually). While some men would suffer quietly, others would hopefully communicate these needs with their wife, while others still would cheat and even worse seek it out. Stephen feel into Crystal's web before he could realize it and once there wanted out. Sadly, when Mary so readily walked out Crystal was there to wrap him tighter and start filling him with poison.[/i]
What do you mean "readily"? It took a LOT for Mary to leave that marriage. First, she went away to Bermuda with her mother for a couple of weeks. Sure, he spent more time with Mary, but that didn't stop Stephen from continuing to see Crystal. Quite the contrary, he started buying her an expensive wardrobe, leading to that awful, humiliating exchange between Mary and Crystal. On top of that, Mary finds out Crystal actually lunched with Stephen and her daughter! Happened to be walking in the park, my ass!
Sure, it was Edith who ultimately spilled the beans to a reporter and broke the last straw on Mary's back. But, it was ultimately Stephen's fault. The nerve of that cad trying to blame others like Mary's friends for *his* actions. If Stephen had stopped seeing Crystal or, better yet, not started anything in the first place, the divorce wouldn't have happened. The big dope didn't even bother to call Mary until after he had already married Crystal!
FYI: I'm currently watching the movie now on Turner Classic Movies as a part of the June Spotlight on Gay Hollywood. That's why I'm so worked up over it now. Just got done with the scene where Miriam winds up Mary into fighting for her marriage... Only for Stephen to call Mary up and tell her he already married Crystal. :(
EDIT, 7/22/2017: Stephen didn't seem to be in want of anything. He and Mary seemed to have a very fulfilling marriage. But, but if there were needs being "unmeet," that doesn't give him the right to cheat on a faithful wife. I wish Mary had "readily" walked out on Stephen, but unfortunately it took a lot for her to do that. She's too good for an idiot like that husband of hers.
[i]I thought this movie was actually progressive for 1939. It's not like Mary took her mother's advice. She confronted her husband about his affair and divorced him in spite of his pleas for them to stay together. For instance this line Mary said was very progressive: "Oh, mother, it's easy for you to talk about a prior generation when women wore shackles and did as men told them, but this is today. Steven and I are equals. And women who stand for such things are beneath contempt, that's all; and it's wrong, shockingly wrong, and I won't qualify it!" Isn't this exactly the message you're saying should have been in this movie? It was. The happy ending comes after Steven "cries his eyes out" before going to sleep (according to the daughter), so it could be said he has his heart broken and learns his lesson. Mary on the other hand just steals him back. Submissive? I think not. [/i]
You are so right! I had mixed feelings about this film and almost didn't give it a chance. I'm so glad I saw it and have seen it many times since then!
It explores a woman's options and has many, many thoughts and viewpoints from a very diverse female cast, even the extras and women with bit parts are so wonderful and colorful! That's one of the film's many great qualities that make it stand the test of time! Unlike that godawful remake that oversimplified everything and simply gave Mary a career as a solution to suddenly become worthy of her husband's affections again. *gag*
[i]Laura later found that her motive was partly for her husband who had committed suicide because he did not fit in. In helping her friend she found that she actually had developed real love for him. Her second marriage was arid.
THe fact that this had happened was unnecessary, as the fact that he did not go with girls at 17 did not really make him effeminate to be sister boy, as they put it. It was the others that were! He was just shy and adjusting to life as a teenage boy. IT must happen more than we know. In his gratitude for her kindness he must have found feelings for her too.[/i]
It is odd that Tom was as isolated as he was. He seemed like a normal boy to me- just more on the artistic, sensitive side. He didn't seem anymore unusual than the boys I've seen in say "Leave it to Beaver."
In fact, the only characters that I can think of that exhibited the kind of boorish behaviour shown by Bill, Tom's father, and the other boys were Eddie Haskell and Lumpy Rutherford and they were the ones often in the wrong!
I guess just like today, you have different behaviors and schools of thoughts flourishing in and out throughout the country...
[i]Movie girl: ME too~ I knew her husband seemed indifferent and there was real
love between her and the boy. Sexual tension too as you were saying. He would never have stepped out of line with her, but she came forward to help him.
I guess we can conclude that Laura left her indifferent second husband and stepped aside for the boy to find true love and happiness in future. Unless we can dream that they met up again and married one day, we pretty much knew it would end that way.[/i]
The original ending actually did finish off with Laura and Tom! But, the damn Hayes' Code insisted that a frame narrative be added to satisfy the mores of the motion picture dinosaurs. >.> If you stick to the play, you'll have that original ending.
[i]It's also important to remember how Daniel defended Lauren's honor by punching George when George asked, "Did you score, kid?" A really creepy boy would have said, "What do you think?" rather than demanding George apologize to Lauren.[/i]
Great point! A lot of young boys are actually portrayed this way in the movies and TV shows. I like that the movie showed how sophisticated and mature Daniel by his irritation with the much older, boorish George. It stayed consistent with Daniel's character.
[i][–] zhu_bernard 10 months ago
Lana would've been great in Vertigo, Novak is a bit young and awkward with Stewart[/i]
You have an interesting point. Lana's much closer to Jimmy Stewart's age. They also starred opposite each other in "Ziegfeld Girl" where they had incredible onscreen chemistry. It would've interesting to see them reunited in "Vertigo."
Although, I can't see Turner as being Hitchcock's final choice since he had a thing for middle-aged actors being paired with much younger blonde actress in the 50's...
I'm surprised that no one else already mentioned S2 EP. 33: [i]"Divided He Falls."[/i] Where Endora divides Darren’s work side and fun side. Dick York’s performance as “fun” side is hilarious! Especially the way he says “Crazy!” Which is something he never does and when he happily calls Endora “baby” (to her delight). lol!
[i][–]jefgg 4 years ago
Sister Mary was just jealous that she could not fly. [/i]
LOL! XD
There's no need to speculate a user's personal life on the boards just because you all don't agree. Just let it be.
I would love to see if a draft (no pun intended) of that episode! Maybe some references to a certain "controversial" sitcom that made its debut in 1971...
I actually think audiences were much more sophisticated then in terms of humour (height of sophistication being in the 70's).
They were just willing to let their TV shows get away with in some areas. Especially since TV was still in its infancy back then.
In a bad way?... Or do you like the episode?