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Ouch...looks like Disney has it's third underperformer this year!


A Wrinkle In Time

Solo

And now...Ant-Man and the Wasp.

Tracking has this AT BEST at 75 million OW.

Oh me.

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it won't flop overseas like Solo though

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A Wrinkle in Time was even a worse flop overseas where it made less than 40 million.

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Where did you see $75M at best? Here it says $80 Million: https://variety.com/2018/film/news/ant-man-and-the-wasp-box-office-preview-1202863737/

That 80M would be 40% above the first one's 57M opening weekend. How is that underperforming??

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Sorry, you're going to have to explain how $75million OW is an underperformer when the original opened to $57million???

You're also going to have to explain how a 3rd tier Marvel characters first movie did $519million, and beat Captain America and Thors first movies, and wasn't massively off matching Iron Man.

All the signs are that Ant-Man & the Wasp will do more money than the first movie, especially since the tracking and presales have now matched Spider-Man: Homecoming, and that one started out at $117million.

I don't think "underperformer" means what you think it means.

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Sometimes we're on the same side of the battle =)

Ant-Man 2 is going to make good money and I bet it's going to be an extremely worthy sequel.

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See, doesnt always have to be Prometheus and Alien Covenant ;)

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Any Marvel movie, at this point, that can't even open over 80 million is an underperformer. It's predicted to open just 10-18 million above the original and when you factor in ticket price inflation that's barely an improvement.

The budget for this one is higher than the first and we're talking about a franchise where it's last two films opened over 200 million.

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Your entire statement is false on its face!

Should AMaTW gross $75 million this weekend, that is, as you said, $18 million above the original. As the original grossed $57 million over its opening weekend, that would equate to an almost 33% opening weekend over opening weekend growth. You wouldn't consider that a remarkable achievement? I know if I could invest in something that would net me a 33% growth over a three year period I would be thrilled!

The original Ant Man was only released three years ago... the effect of ticket price inflation from 2015 to 2018 is right around 8%. Adjusting for that number, AMaTW is still looking at a 25% increase in revenue over the original.

The budget for AMaTW is estimated at $150 million (the original was $130 million), so it is not going to be difficult for this movie to recoup its budget and earn a healthy little profit.

Nothing about this movie is looking like an under-performer at all!

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Lol...75 million is the TOP of the prediction. It'more likely that it will be LESS.

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Your response is non-sensical.

1. July 4th weekend affects box office in the US

2. Ant-Man is a 3rd tier character for Marvel

3. Ant Man is preselling to match Spider-Man: Homecoming, thats $117million, double what the original achieved

No matter how you try and paint it, the sequel is set to make more money than the first movie and is only slightly more expensive.

This thread is bollocks.

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when you factor in ticket price inflation that's barely an improvement.

The budget for this one is higher than the first

Speaking of which, inflation alone accounts for over $7 million of the $20 million budget increase, over one-third of the increase. That seriously reduces the amount of budget increase you can claim as higher cost.

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Fair enough. We'll see if it hits 75 million.

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Initial estimates from Box Office Mojo have AM&TW at just over $76 Million is it your position that you and or industry analysts view this as a disappointing amount? $85 million was estimated and even when the finalized numbers are in that amount is off the table.

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According to who? Who set that bar? You?

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A Wrinkle In Time

Solo

And now...Ant-Man and the Wasp.

Tracking has this AT BEST at 75 million OW.

Oh me.
Did you mean to type Oh My???? Or was that a Freudian slip about your errant statement of 3rd underperformer and a reflection of your own inability to read performance or lack thereof? What is it with you and this Disney-Hate? Don't you loathe being verbally chastised by Billbrown and you do know that he will weigh in because you ASK him to by making these inane assessments of Disney and MCU performance.

If Ant Man and the Wasp opens at $75 Million it will not be underperforming. If what you are suggesting is that it should open at $85 Million or above and that is the industry expectation then the industry analysts have estimated or predicted wrongly.

Please clarify. Inquiring minds want to know.



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Queen is one of a handful of DCCU fans remaining in existence and knows the only way he can TRY to prop up his turdfest of a DCCU is to bash Ant-Man and non-MCU movies.

It's a common DCCU zealot/fanatic tactic: attack ANYTHING Disney in an attempt to make MCU look bad. In addition to Ant-Man, they frequently attack the Phase 1 MCU movie box office results. It's all they have.

Of course, given how abysmal the box office for Justice League was (The DCCU's half-assed "answer" to the MCU's "The Avengers") you'd think they'd know better than to talk about MCU box office by now. After Justice League, they simply have NO leg left to stand on. Still, some of the more retarded and "Damaged" ones like Queen here try anyway.

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People have been so determined to hate on the dc cinematic universe that it starts to affect their box office. Pretty sad because these are truly great movies yet most of them get unfairly panned.

And antman 2 underperforming is hilarious since the flavor of the week is turning out to be that rather than outperform any dc film

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75 million is pretty good if you think about it. Ant-Man is one of Marvel's least popular characters, and this is the first post Infinity War MCU film coming only 2 months after IW. Solo bombed because TLJ wasn't liked by fans, and nobody cared about a Han Solo movie anyways.

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No Solo bombed because feminism ruined it and TLJ

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Were you on IMDB before? I only ask because you're a lame duck troll here and even the IMDB trolls would have put you to shame.Unlike those first two films, Ant-Man and the Wasp won't be a flop and will actually turn a profit, unlike Justice League.

You may also want to check the final box office of the first Ant-Man as that film and then look at the final box office of Justice League. Justice League only outgrossed a film about a guy who shrinks to the size of an ant by a little over $100 million while Ant-Man and the Wasp is already opening STRONGER than the first film.

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones and the fact that you have to target third rate heroes like Ant-Man and early Phase 1 MCU movies just to find a way to bash MCU box office sure as hell says a lot.

How much did Justice League make again? LMAO!!!

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Well to put it in perspective, the first Ant-Man was probably more profitable as Justice League cost a shit tonne of money to make.

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I'm not even a DCCU fan and that still hurt just to read that. LOL!

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$76m. Pathetic troll!

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Nope...75 million. Sorry.

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[–] QueenFanUSA (943) 3 minutes ago
Nope...75 million. Sorry.
Satan is more than technically correct. $75.8 mathematically rounds up to $76 and not down to $75.

Sorry.

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Well...regardless. Scott Mandelson is already floating the idea that this won't even make as much as the first one domestically.

Now would you agree that if that ends up being the case then it can fairly be called a "domestic underperformer" at least?

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And if it doesn't underperform, will you agree that you add nothing to these boards and should leave?

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Now would you agree that if that ends up being the case then it can fairly be called a "domestic underperformer" at least?
Absolutely I would agree that AMATW would be underperforming after opening $20 Mil higher as a sequel.

You're not gleeful that might happen to Marvel and this franchise are you? Oh I forgot, Disney!!

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Thank you for your civil response, Norrinrad.

Actually, I love both Disney and Marvel and am a fan of most of Disney's present-day output.

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No you don't; you hate Marvel and live to see it fail ...which it hasn't yet!*

Can't wait for you to come back and eat crow for being wrong yet again.

You are the queen of FAIL!!!!


*Well, unless you include Iron Fist from Netflix.

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Now would you agree that if that ends up being the case then it can fairly be called a "domestic underperformer" at least?

^^^

how IRONIC....you want the poster to be "FAIR" and admit If AM2 makes less than AM1 its a "domestic under performer" ..


Yet fast forward a few month, AM2 easily tops AM1 BOTH Domestically and WW and lets see if you can be "fair"....and admit its NOT "domestic underperformer"

lol but seriously....I get what you were trying to do...you were confident AM2 was going to make less than AM1 and was trying to set a Bar, that even The Poster had to admit it was under performing....but hilariously by the setting that Bar, by setting A "Fair" number that AM2 should AT LEAST make....You either set yourself up for SUCCESS or Failure....

Once you made this statement "Now would you agree that if that ends up being the case then it can fairly be called a "domestic underperformer" at least?".....You were LOCKED IN....You were either going to WIN OR LOSE....

and YOU LOST....you set the bar, AM2 easily past the bar, theres no way around it,,,the only "fair" thing to do is to admit AM2 did NOT underperform domestically....

Good thing you didnt set a Bar on its World Wide Box office queen....

oh wait you did...You claimed its not making 600 Million WW......lol AM2 is currently at 471 Million....Its Heading toward a 70 Million + Opening in China(biggest ever for a SOLO SH film).....which will easily result in a 600 Million + total....



I think the ONLY "FAIR" Thing to do here is either PM the poster or make a thread and just admit that AM2 did not underperform like you expected...

once you asked the poster to be "FAIR" and asked him to to eventually admit if AM2 makes Less than AM1 that it means it Under performed...You kinda Made a deal....If your asking him to be FAIR....Then You should Too....

You set the bar, if AM2 less than AM1 domestically, he should be FAIR and admit it under performed....

By the same "FAIRNESS" ....you set the bar, AM2 easily Past that bar....You should do exactly what You asked the poster to do and be FAIR and admit it did NOT Under perform...






Once again your trolling comes back to bite!

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161 million in 3 days!!! Congratulations Disney on another massive hit.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=ant-manandthewasp.htm

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Also, it looks like it hasn’t even opened in most foreign markets ( including the UK) yet. I hear that’s because no one wants to compete with the World Cup, but who knows?

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