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Another terrible movie and will flop.


Please stop rebooting this franchise.

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Sequels are not the same as reboots.

That's why they're called sequels.

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If it was a sequel then the movie would have been about the 4 original ghostbusters. It was rebooted with new characters.

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No. Still in the same universe. Original characters appear and references to the first two throughout.

Your made-up arbitrary rules about what a reboot is... made up.

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There was only 3 original characters and the movie wasn't even about them. It was about Egons granddaughter. The only reference to the original Ghostbusters was Zuul. Its a reboot no matter how you slice it.

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2016 WAS A REBOOT...AFTERLIFE IS A SEQUEL.

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Technically its a soft reboot.

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Three?
The characters of Peter, Ray, Winston, Egon, Janine, Zuul, and even Dana all appear in Afterlife.

Where did you learn to count?

And since when do they have to be the main characters to be considered a sequel?

They reference the New York Incident several times, as well as show the original ad. Did you pay attention at all?

My god, you're an idiot.

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Harold Ramis was not in this movie.

Born
November 21, 1944
Died
February 24, 2014

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The likeness of Ramis was in the film.

https://screenrant.com/ghostbusters-afterlife-harold-ramis-egon-return-ghost-explained/

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I didn't say Ramis. I said the character of Egon.

Not only can you not count, you can't read either.

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And I said the 4 original characters. Harold Ramis was not in this movie.

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But Egon Spengler was.

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True, but it was ghost Egon and he didn't even talk. It was more of a cameo actually. The other 3 original characters also made cameos at the end of the movie. This movie was not about the 4 original characters. It was a reboot with new younger actors so they can continue the franchise.

Dan Aykroyd ... (based on "Ghostbusters" written by) &
Ivan Reitman ... (based on the 1984 film by) and
Harold Ramis ... (based on "Ghostbusters" written by)

Its based on the Ghostbusters movie and is in the same universe but its still a reboot.

features Bill Murray, Dan Aykroyd, Ernie Hudson, Annie Potts, and Sigourney Weaver reprising their characters from the earlier films.

They all reprised their character which means a reboot of some sort is created, and instead of recasting the role they keep the same actor despite that.

Also this movie is not even listed as Ghostbusters 3 or III. They dropped 3 and rebooted the franchise calling in Afterlife so people would know its a reboot and not about the 4 original characters.

They even casted 4 new actors to replace the originals.

Phoebe is Egon
Trevor is Peter
Podcast is Ray
Lucky is Winston

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Since the four originals appeared, they were not replaced.

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Harold Ramis didn't appear.

I just used logic and facts to prove this movie was a reboot and all my research was ignored as always.

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Other people have different opinions than yours.

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True, but I also have an opinion and used facts to back up my opinion. No one has proven yet that this movie is not a reboot.

No one has proved yet that Harold Ramis was in the Afterlife movie.

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I think your facts show Ghostbusters: Afterlife is a direct sequel.

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Not really, its a reboot as the franchise was revived with new characters.

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Ghostbusters 2 had new characters, did this make it a reboot instead of a sequel?

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It was about the same original characters that was in the first movie. The plot was mostly about them. New characters can be introduced in a sequel to further the plot but at the core the movie has to be about the original characters.

Ghostbusters 2 is a sequel.

Afterlife is a soft reboot with new characters as the primary plot source.

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Still doesn't count though. There was supposed to be a Ghostbusters 3 but the feud between Bill and Harold prevented that. As I said in a earlier post, this movie was not about the 4 original ghostbusters. It was basically a spinoff or reboot of the 1984/1989 movies.

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Doesnt matter that it wasnt about the original 4. Its set in the same universe and its a continuation of the story.

Luke was not in the Star Wars prequels. But theyre still prequels. It's not a reboot.

Afterlife It's a direct sequel by everyone's standards, including the filmmakers. Everyone except you.

Just face it, you have no idea what you're talking about

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It was ghost Egon and he didn't even talk. It was more of a cameo actually. The other 3 original characters also made cameos at the end of the movie. This movie was not about the 4 original characters. It was a reboot with new younger actors so they can continue the franchise.

Dan Aykroyd ... (based on "Ghostbusters" written by) &
Ivan Reitman ... (based on the 1984 film by) and
Harold Ramis ... (based on "Ghostbusters" written by)

Its based on the Ghostbusters movie and is in the same universe but its still a reboot.

features Bill Murray, Dan Aykroyd, Ernie Hudson, Annie Potts, and Sigourney Weaver reprising their characters from the earlier films.

They all reprised their character which means a reboot of some sort is created, and instead of recasting the role they keep the same actor despite that.

Also this movie is not even listed as Ghostbusters 3 or III. They dropped 3 and rebooted the franchise calling in Afterlife so people would know its a reboot and not about the 4 original characters.

They even casted 4 new actors to replace the originals.

Phoebe is Egon
Trevor is Peter
Podcast is Ray
Lucky is Winston

Star Wars is a poor comparison. That was a 9 part Saga.

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You're wrong. Justify it all you want with your flawed logic, but you're on an island. 🤣

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I used logic and facts to prove my point. Where is yours?

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No you didn't all you did was say the four characters are not the main characters. That's flawed logic, not proof of shit.

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And then you insisted only 3 characters from the original made appearances. Proved you wrong. Then you said Egon wasn't in it. Proved you wrong again.

Stupid as fuck.

Name me a filmmaker that agrees with you. Name me a movie fan that agrees with you.
Fuck it, find me a human that agrees with you

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So you are saying a dead Egon that is portrayed by another actor is the same thing as an alive Egon portrayed by Ramis?

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Thr character of Egon appears, no matter who or what portrays him.

Much like Rachel Daws is portrayed by Katie Holms and Maggie Gyllenhaal. Much like how Jennier Parker is both Caludia Wells and Elizabeth Shue. Much like Princess Leah appears as both Carrie Fisher and CGI.

Or how Gozer is both Olivia Wilde and whoever that 80s chick was.

God you're dumb. I can't believe I have to explain this.

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Using your logic. The same characters that were in Dune 1984 are also in Dune 2021. By your definition, Dune 2021 is a sequel to Dune 1984.

Also the character of Peter Parker was in 8 movies. Are you saying all these movies are sequels of each other?

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Those were set in different universes until Marvel brought them together. That's the key. SAME UNIVERSE. Do t know how much I have to explain this.

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"The character of Egon appears, no matter who or what portrays him."

You said the character.

The character of Paul Atreides appears in both movies. So you your definition. Dune 2021 is a sequel.

If they are in the same Universe now then that means that Dune 2021 is a sequel.

This is your definition. Not mine.

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No, it's everyone's definition except for yours. That makes you an idiot. I rest my case.

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So if the same character appears in any movie its a sequel?

If thats true then all the Batman movies are all sequels of each other. Good to know, thanks.

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For thr 238th time, set in the same universe. You're really stretching for this, aren't you? Take the L bro. Fucking moron.

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Yeah, its the same universe and the same characters, so its a sequel.

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IF THE SAME CHARACTER(S) APPEAR WITHIN CONTINUITY OF A PREVIOUS FILM(S)....THEN IT'S A SEQUEL.

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So you are saying a dead Egon that is portrayed by another actor is the same thing as an alive Egon portrayed by Ramis?

hell to the yeah

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A reboot is a complete restart to a franchise, examples being Batman Begins, Casino Royale, Man of Steel, The Amazing Spider-Man, etc where all actors are replaced. If this was a reboot none of the original actors would have returned for their original parts.

Soft reboot is the right term that you just recently used. Although I have heard the term "legacy sequel" thrown around recently in regards to distant sequels to old films.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SoftReboot

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I guess I should revise and say it was a soft reboot then.

It could take place after a lengthy Time Skip, allowing you to make a Same Plot Sequel with a new generation of characters and a few old favorites popping in for The Cameo.

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There's nothing "reboot" about these. And I thought Afterlife was pretty good. I'm glad there's another sequel.

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When there is 32 years between movies and its not about the original actors, thats called rebooting the franchise.

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According you who... you?

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Yes, Dune was rebooted with new actors as well. But I guess in this case, this movie would be a soft reboot.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SoftReboot

It could take place after a lengthy Time Skip, allowing you to make a Same Plot Sequel with a new generation of characters and a few old favorites popping in for The Cameo.

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A sequel is defined as; something that follows as a continuation, especially a literary, dramatic, or cinematic work whose narrative continues that of a preexisting work.

Yes, still a direct sequel. Exactly what it is.

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To be honest with you I don't know the exact meaning of reboot when used for films. I always thought of it as a restart, just like when you reboot your computer. Like Dune (2021) would be a reboot.

And, isn't a sequel, even if it takes place decades later, technically still a sequel? It sure does revive the franchise but I don't see this being a reboot (again I may have a false conception of reboot).

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Yes, its reviving the franchise. Which to me is rebooting the franchise. This movie is about the new generation and not about the original 4 ghostbusters.

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Idiot, as usual!

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As long as it’s not a sequel to Fembusters I’m cool.

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'Fembusters'! 😂

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🤣 👍

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Why is it a reboot when the original characters are in it and portrayed by the original cast? It is an actual sequel.

Do you want the characters of Spengler, Stantz, Venkman and the others to never age and be recast as the actors get older. Like James Bond? Naw, keep the franchise going with new characters are the originals age and retire.

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This is exactly how I see it. As a continuity, not a reboot or reimagining or whatever. A good ol' sequel that took its time and that's fine.

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Did Bubba cry about the 14 years it took for a Incredibles sequel?

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I guess that depends on what number is considered by him to be the limit over which a sequel promotes to a reboot.

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If the movie is about the original characters then its a sequel. Same with Dumb and Dumber.

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A sequel doesn't have to be about the same characters at all. Then, according to your criteria, "The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift" would be a reboot. Which it obviously is not.

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The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift is a spinoff from the franchise. So is Hobbs and Shaw.
It introduces Han to the franchise.

Here are the movies in chronological order:

The Fast and the Furious (2001)
2 Fast 2 Furious (2003)
Fast & Furious (2009)
Fast Five (2011)
Fast & Furious 6 (2013)
The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift (2006)
Furious 7 (2015)
The Fate of the Furious (2017)
Fast & Furious Presents: Hobbs & Shaw (2019)
F9 (2021)
Fast and Furious 10 (2023)

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Ok. So what about Predator 2 then?
Spinoff?
Reboot?

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Good question. Its listed as a sequel, but I would call it a soft reboot as its basically the same plot as the first one and has completely different actors.

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You are unbelievable....

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Just calling it like it is. None of the characters that were in the first movie were in this movie.

I didn't see Dutch in this sequel did you?

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It's a sequel. Even if you don't like it or don't feel like it.

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I like the movie, although its not as good as the original. Its basically the same movie but with different actors.

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The Predator in the first one killed himself. You get a cookie for trying.

If numbers denote sequels then why is Ghostbusters Afterlife not called Ghostbusters 3?

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You forgot about Egon. Harold Ramis died in 2014.

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I like how you think just because Ramis died means Egon wasn't a character in the film

Certified dumbass.

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You should watch the movie. The answers are all in it. You'll see how all the original main characters (no Slimer though) from the original movie do make appearances in this one including Egon Spengler since the Ramis family gave their consent to use cgi technology in order to do so. And to be fair, it was done pretty cleverly.

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I have seen the movie and most of the original cast appears and makes a cameo appearance. Expect for Ramis. It was a ghost Egon and he didn't even talk. As I have said before, this movie is about the new generation and not about the original 4 ghostbusters. Basically the franchise was rebooted/revived to continue the legacy of Ghostbusters.

Bill Murray, Dan Aykroyd, Ernie Hudson, Annie Potts, and Sigourney Weaver reprised their characters from the earlier films.

They all reprised their character which means a reboot of some sort is created, and instead of recasting the role they keep the same actors despite that.

Also this movie is not even listed as Ghostbusters 3 or III. They dropped 3 and rebooted the franchise calling in Afterlife so people would know its a reboot and not about the 4 original characters.

They even casted 4 new actors to replace the originals.

Phoebe is Egon
Trevor is Peter
Podcast is Ray
Lucky is Winston

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The past tense of cast is cast or casted (non-standard, Old English).

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Cast not casted.

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The past tense of cast is cast or casted (non-standard, Old English).

You also get a cookie for trying.

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Antiquated. Just trying to keep you current. Thanks I hope it's a Hydrox! Love those.

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Thanks, I try to spell check myself before posting. Because there is nothing worse than spelling errors. I was going to use cast but it didn't sound right to me.

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This will bomb.

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Aint a reboot numb nuts, its a sequel to after life which was a sequel to ghostbusters 2, referenced the events of 1984 new york. Learn to know what a reboot is, 2016 was a reboot.

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Its a reboot with new characters.

Phoebe is Egon
Trevor is Peter
Podcast is Ray
Lucky is Winston

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Then how is the original cast appearing numb nuts lol u suck at this flop

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3 of 4 original cast appeared as cameos as the movie was not about them.

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Still aint a reboot, accept this , bill murray is still peter venkmen, if it was a reboot another actor would be peter venkmen, you lose.

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Reboot or sequel, its gonna flop hard.

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Most movies do these day, aquaflop 2 is the next big flop.

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AquaFlop and the Flop Kingdom

This might be worse than GotG 3.

$400m WW

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GOTG3 was a huge hit, this post flopped even before being released

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It is kind of a reboot though. They are restarting the franchise with characters taking the place of the old characters even though the old ones get a cameo. The old actors are just thrown in there to bait the fans to watch it. No one honestly believes the filmmakers behind these give a shit about the original films. They just want the title and the concept, then they try and merge that with whatever is popular right now "stranger things" and hope it checks enough boxes to be a hit.

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Its a sequel

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Ryan says its a reboot

https://youtu.be/VeDx92783us?t=223

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that idiot rehashing the same nonsense for like 10 years now and still going. the idiot still thinks hes funny....

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Well now you're wrong, buba is wrong and Ryan is wrong, its a sequel.

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nope its a flop...flop flop

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Well done you.

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thanks.

WORLDWIDE
$195,102,874

With an estimated budget of $100 million, as a general Hollywood rule of thumb, Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire will likely need to exceed that amount by 50-100% to be considered profitable due to added costs, associated marketing, advertising, and distribution.

***FLOP***

this is why Hollywood should stop rebooting classic movies.

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NOBODY CARES....AS THE AUDIENCE WE ONLY CARE ABOUT WHETHER WE LIKE THE MOVIE OR NOT...I PERSONALLY THOUGHT IT WAS FINE...NOT GREAT BUT FINE AND FUN.

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I realize that. I just have a keen sense of when a movie will flop or succeed. my success rate is 89%. when people say movies are stupid. I will like them and when people say movies are great, I will hate them. in the grand scheme of things today, movies are made to make profits for the studio.

I just found out the phantom menace is back in the theaters. going thursday to watch it.

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I DISLIKE THE PREQUELS...BUT I HOPE YOU HAVE A GOOD TIME.

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I prefer the prequels as do most real star wars fans.

thanks...

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😂...AS YOU WISH.

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