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If Cameron has a grand plan, I see no evidence of it here


Story kinda moves in exactly the same way, except now there are all these new characters and subplots that weigh the film down. It looks nice, but mostly I feel like "is this is".


If you guys want to check out a review, I have something posted on youtube: https://youtu.be/1b7M-hlAr_M

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I think this was the same type of plan as the one he had for the last terminator film which killed off the franchise - lol

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Well, I heard Avatar 3 is already shot/filmed and is in post-production, OR is already mostly shot/filmed and will head to post-production phase soon, so there must be some master/grand plan.

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Oh - the sequel is rather obvious given that in this film they fought against a fishing vessel - lol
The entire armada is still in the sky and the colony/city humans have built was barely ever mentioned.
The lame villain will make a comeback and he will undoubtedly either switch sides or die heroically for Na'vi's cause, due to the 'sudden' change of heart.

I think it's the connection between the first and the second film that's really lacking. A short while later, despite the unobtanium being gone, humans make a return, but this time to colonize the planet and get some sort of immortality drug? Really? And guess what - they bring the original resurrected villain with them, because ..... movie logic. That shit looks so tacked on and made up on the spot, it's not even funny.

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I didn't mind the fact that the villain from the first film returned this time around. After all, they gave him a new twist. But I thought his survival at the end didn't work at all. I also thought to myself "I hope this doesn't eventually turn into a Darth Vader redemption story." But I have a hunch it might.

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Since Cameron is going through a list of film themes he wants to insert into the avatar series, I think the Darth Vader analogy is accurate - star wars could indeed be the central theme of the next sequel.

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This movie pretty much ends where the last one did. 3 hours and Cameron did very little to progress the story for the series

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It's called milking out Audience Money!

It's Größenwahn to announce after the Success of Avatar 1 that there will be 4 (6?) sequels and past months I heard increasing numbers 6 (8?). Sometimes it's got reported it was calculated from start to have several prequels depending how well the movie will do.

Has that ever been done before marketing-wise? I never heard of such Narcissism movie-wise? Maybe on 21st Hollyweird Marvel Supershit Puberty Movies.

I only paid for Avatar 1 and that was before the Total Overblown Hype started. I'm not often at the Movies and it was a lucky unknown pick then in it's first week. Had not heard anything of it before but had the best short descritption of all 8 running movies that day.

If the 21st Teletubby audience is that retarded to swallow, then let them have their crap!
How many good movies were made in the 80s/90 with a budget of very few millions with a real intriguing plot, charming actors and clever dialogue instead of soulless, lame digital crap!

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He didn’t originally, that’s why he has roped in several writers to come up with ideas for the sequels, they have a grand plan going forwards but that first film was a tester.

It explains why they’ve retrofitted the ‘avatar’ lore so that you no longer need a human with the same DNA to power your personal avatar (which is why they needed Jake in the first place - he shared the DNA of his twin brother). Now you can just be uploaded into an avatar.

Also, to fit in with the once-trendy woke agenda, you can see that they’re setting up the daughter to be ‘Rey Skywalker’ because she has mysterious Gaya-powers and can control all of nature. Expect to see her as the new girl-boss, laying waste to scores of evil white males. Audiences are tired of that crap now but you can see the writers made this when wokies had more clout and held a cancel-gun to their head.

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There doesn't have to be any plan.
By writing series, I've learned you can make anything you want Canon to the story and the audience bends to accept it.
And when you run dry, you can always time travel some one back to life or clone, it just doesn't matter.
People go "ooh!! I get it. That's the grand plan" when in fact there was zero planning at all, just something thrown in to work.

Is sad and lazy. And I've taken advantage of it.

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There is absolutely no plan. It's just gonna be humans fighting Navi in ever escalating battles for vague reasons that are never delved into. We're just supposed to enjoy the splendor of the other worldly visuals. I don't think that's gonna work three times over. At some point you have to give half your film over to what the humans are doing and why and Cameron is simply never going to do that.

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