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WOKE bait & switch. Avoid.

posted 3 years ago by Drooch (5333)
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Those are the rumours coming from a commentator with a good track record, and the new trailer confirms his earlier plot leak video.

Wanna hear how they’ve gone woke? Read on…

It all leads up to Trinity becoming The One. Yep. Apparently she shares her power with him at the end and the two of them fly toward the camera (hey, that’s better than her lecturing him on the patriarchy then flying off alone but still, Neo is cucked for most of the film and the power resides within her)

I also think it’s absurd that Neo and Trinity are still alive, especially Trin after her moving death scene in Revolutions - this cheapens all that for an obvious cashgrab. Neo’s ‘resurrection’ you can kinda forgive because he wasn’t 100% human and there was all that ‘we’ll see Neo again’ blather at the end.

I got most of this info here: https://youtu.be/kgjhPczl4o0

So yeah, I’ll be steering well clear of this unless I hear information to the contrary after release but with Lilly (Andy) Wachowski, a transsexual, saying The Matrix was always a ‘trans metaphor’ I think we can rest assured his brother, also a transsexual, has made a Woke af film.

If the very ending appears to pull back on the Woke, don’t be fooled - it’ll be another bait & switch to make sure you watch the sequel.

[–] acidraindrop (3055) 3 years ago

How come all people do these days is discuss leaks. I see it in video game forums, marvel threads, and now this. It's always "oh but this leaker is right often".

No wonder we're inundated with fake news from the mainstream media. People live and breathe on information that has absolutely no substantiation.

[–] 123Guy (7281) 3 years ago

thank the internet for this new culture wave :(

[–] acidraindrop (3055) 3 years ago

My instagram feed is full of marvel "leaks" and other bullshit. It's all such nonsense, especially in the face of actual facts.

Hell, now that Resurrections came out, you'd think people would just admit error but they're now they're still doubling down on the disproven rumor lol Jesus, some ppl actually watched this movie and think that Trinity is the "one".

[–] Drooch (5333) 3 years ago

First time I’ve discussed a leak, and I only took it seriously because the leaker was proved right by the trailer.

[–] kungfulord (957) 3 years ago

OMG with that theory, you know what came to mind? In the end Trinity and Neo merge becoming one being and they just leave flying away as the first hermafrodite lead character in cinema history

LOL OMG that would be awful i just hope they din't go in that direction

[–] Burk48917 (11365) 3 years ago

No chance, they are both white. Somehow we have to mix some Morpheus in, or its racist.

[–] themightyperm (108) 3 years ago

Keanu Reeves grandmother was Native Hawaiian-Chinese, he has a few ancestors that were Asian/Pacific Islander.

So the white savior complaints fall apart really. Turns out there are a bunch of huge movies where the main actors are multi-racial. The Rock, Keanu Reeves, and Vin Diesel are all gigantic stars with international ancestry.

[–] maximmm (3338) 3 years ago

Yeah... and Nancy Pelosi is a Native American - lol

[–] Kowalski (75537) 3 years ago

OH NO...THE MOVIE WITH BLACK LEADS,FEMALE LEADS,EVIL WHITE MEN AND THE PLOT OF WAKING UP TO THE REAL WORLD HAS BEEN BESMIRCHED WITH A WOKE SEQUEL?...EGADS!

[–] triplea (3577) 3 years ago

Make your own fantasy franchise if you want ... strange how they never take off organically?

[–] cyberbob (3488) 3 years ago

This film is seriously rustling some jimmies on here way before it's actually released. Don't expect a transgender writer/director to make a movie that is in any way not somewhat left-leaning lol. Is anyone not in the left-wing of the political spectrum not going to argue against their basic human rights?

Ultimately, it's your fault for liking the original Matrix. It's your fault for liking a movie created by two "delusional, mentally-ill closet trannies". H.P. Lovecraft was a huge racist and most leftists still love his garbage writing. Edgar Allan Poe married and (probably) fucked his 13 year old cousin. Lewis Carroll was maybe or maybe not a pedophile. Flannery O' Connor was a racist. George Orwell was a "traitor" to other left-wingers

You and your lot on here are now reckoning with the idea of separating art from artist and you seem incapable of doing so, just like the most "extreme" leftists that you seem to dislike for being so extreme. Your accusations of an artist going "woke" are the other side of the coin to modern leftist's accusations of being "problematic". You are fully invested in outrage culture and are participating in your own weird version of cancel culture. Being right-leaning, you don't actually cancel artists (that requires backing from media outlets), but you do band together to besmirch the artistic value of those you deem as problematic

Every time anything seems even remotely woke there is call for a boycott. I understand why this is, it's the only hand you have to play, the media will not help you to effect the change you want. So you need the message to be sent through economics. But it's still just as sad as seeing a bunch of Twitter idiots rallying to cancel someone

Sorry that a trans person is spearheading a movie that does not align with your transphobic politics, I just happen to think that any sensible person should have seen it coming

[–] triplea (3577) 3 years ago

OMG not a 'racist' ... whatever will we do!??!

[–] cyberbob (3488) 3 years ago

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[–] kukuxu (5409) 3 years ago

It's your fault for liking a movie created by two "delusional, mentally-ill closet trannies". H.P. Lovecraft was a huge racist and most leftists still love his garbage writing. [...] You and your lot on here are now reckoning with the idea of separating art from artist and you seem incapable of doing so, just like the most "extreme" leftists that you seem to dislike for being so extreme. Your accusations of an artist going "woke" are the other side of the coin to modern leftist's accusations of being "problematic".

No.

When we're talking about producers, writers and directors going woke, we're talking about them using Hollywood to put their religious woke agenda down the throat.

To compare, Lovecraft didn't introduce any agenda in his writing. You can find a couple of references here and there, but that's all you're gonna find in hundreds of pages.

[–] Drooch (5333) 3 years ago

This film is seriously rustling some jimmies on here way before it's actually released. Don't expect a transgender writer/director to make a movie that is in any way not somewhat left-leaning lol.

I expect filmmakers to make good films, not political propaganda. They did it with The Matrix and they can do it now.

Is anyone not in the left-wing of the political spectrum not going to argue against their basic human rights?

Who’s arguing against their human rights?

Ultimately, it's your fault for liking the original Matrix.

What?

It's your fault for liking a movie created by two "delusional, mentally-ill closet trannies".

Who are you quoting?

H.P. Lovecraft was a huge racist and most leftists still love his garbage writing.

Modern Lefties are total racists so I don’t see the dichotomy 🤷🏻‍♂️

Edgar Allan Poe married and (probably) fucked his 13 year old cousin. Lewis Carroll was maybe or maybe not a pedophile. Flannery O' Connor was a racist. George Orwell was a "traitor" to other left-wingers

Sexual depravity and racism are commonplace on the Left, I would fully expect them to like these degenerates (excluding Orwell - he’s a genius and prophet who saw right through the Left, and they therefore hate him)

[–] Drooch (5333) 3 years ago

You and your lot on here are now reckoning with the idea of separating art from artist and you seem incapable of doing so, just like the most "extreme" leftists that you seem to dislike for being so extreme.

Who’s ‘your lot’?

I’m criticising what I’ve learned from the trailer and the leaked plot synopsis, and the fact that the Wachowskis have been trying to retrofit The Matrix as supposedly always having been a trans metaphor - a grotesque political move.

Your accusations of an artist going "woke" are the other side of the coin to modern leftist's accusations of being "problematic".

No, the criticism of movies going Woke is accurate and should worry people who don’t want their art to be crude political propaganda, Leftists just call something ‘problematic’ when it gets in the way of their power-grab.

You are fully invested in outrage culture and are participating in your own weird version of cancel culture.

No, there’s no equivalence between the appalling attacks made by the Left, and the very reasonable pushback from normal people.

Being right-leaning,

I’m not right-leaning.

you don't actually cancel artists (that requires backing from media outlets), but you do band together to besmirch the artistic value of those you deem as problematic

I don’t deem anyone ‘problematic’ and I don’t band together with anyone, I just tell the truth.

[–] Drooch (5333) 3 years ago

Every time anything seems even remotely woke there is call for a boycott. I understand why this is, it's the only hand you have to play, the media will not help you to effect the change you want. So you need the message to be sent through economics. But it's still just as sad as seeing a bunch of Twitter idiots rallying to cancel someone

No, because the Twitter cancellers are sociopathic aggressors trying to destroy the lives of normal people. Boycotting is a defensive measure against forced political propaganda.

Sorry that a trans person is spearheading a movie that does not align with your transphobic politics, I just happen to think that any sensible person should have seen it coming

I don’t have ‘transphobic politics’, please stop pulling straw out of your ass and attributing it to me.

All you’ve done here is make a load of embarrassing erroneous assumptions, try engaging with what has actually been said.

[–] cyberbob (3488) 3 years ago

You're just as disgusting as any other hateful piece of shit on here. Why do you feel it necessary to mention that either of the Wachowski's are transexuals in your OP?

You can call it a strawman, I don't care. I'm way too bored with your type to really debate you, but I'd love to hear your excuses for backpedaling for you flirting with hatespeech in your OP

[–] Quisuismoi (7) 3 years ago

The trans allegory stuff is pretty heavy through that trailer, i really hope they don't make it all about that.
It looks like neo has been put into another version of the matrix, maybe the same one as the end of 3 or maybe a much smaller one, maybe just to study him. The reflection in the mirror could be how he sees himself, rather than his 'true self', which the audience sees. The opening scene is with a shrink, no doubt part of the system thats actually there to stop him from discovering his 'true self'. Sounds very cliche already.
That would surprise me tho. The wachowskis, Lana especially, are very hardcore on their philosophy. Huge cop out if the film is as basic as that.

[–] cyguration (3951) 3 years ago

The trans allegory stuff is pretty heavy through that trailer, i really hope they don't make it all about that.

Obviously they will.

[–] cyguration (3951) 3 years ago

So yeah, I’ll be steering well clear of this unless I hear information to the contrary after release but with Lilly (Andy) Wachowski, a transsexual, saying The Matrix was always a ‘trans metaphor’ I think we can rest assured his brother, also a transsexual, has made a Woke af film.

Remember the leaks about Star Wars: Rise of Skywalker? Turned out to be true.

Remember the leaks for The Last of Us 2? Turned out to be true.

Remember the leaks about Terminator: Dark Fate? Turned out to be true.

Remember the leaks about Masters Of The Universe: Revelations? Turned out to be true.

See a pattern here? Almost all the woke entertainment crap that has come out in recent years with leaks almost always turn out to be true. So I absolutely do not doubt the leaks for a second, because the REAL shock would be the film turning out to be good.

[–] avortac4 (3744) 3 years ago

You don't need 'leaks' to know these things:

- It's gonna suck
- It's gonna be cashgrab-claptrap
- It's gonna have 'woke stuff' until you puke, and then some
- It's gonna ride on the success of 'The Matrix (1999)'
- It's gonna be praised by the woke media

There's 0.00 possibility for it being good on any level - anyone praising its visuals is beyond hope. The first Star Wars movie, made in the seventies, looks better than most modern movies, and a LOT better than ANYTHING in that crappy trailer. I have no reason to watch that horrible trailer ever again, but just to remind people of things I noticed in it:

1) The word 'triggered'
2) Blue-haired something

I am not interested in _any_ movie with those two components or elements in it. The rest will basically be DICTATED by those two things. A bad tree can't produce a good fruit, a woke writer can't write a good movie, and a woke hollywood can't make ANYTHING good unless they destroy themselves.

[–] Drooch (5333) 3 years ago

A bad tree can't produce a good fruit, a woke writer can't write a good movie, and a woke hollywood can't make ANYTHING good unless they destroy themselves.

Very true. How many times do we need to get burned for people to realise that movie are basically a dead art-form now? Until explicitly non-woke producers start releasing films then I won’t pay a single penny for a movie, unless that film has been scanned by people like The Drinker (https://youtu.be/VVNDMuQtipo) and his peers, and confirmed to be woke-clear and actually good.

[–] triplea (3577) 3 years ago

The funny thing is the 'leakers' didn't have any real inside contacts ... just that you an 100% guess with high accuracy what wokes will put in films LOL.

[–] cyguration (3951) 3 years ago

That makes it even worse, lol!

[–] Drooch (5333) 3 years ago

Exactly, and then they send the shills into places like this to say ‘judge it when you see it’ and it’s like… err, no, the whole point is that we don’t buy a ticket or pay to see it so we can starve the fucking beast and finally send the message to Hollywood to stop making tedious woke dreck 🤦🏻‍♂️

[–] JoeBlow88 (562) 3 years ago

I am going to pay $0 for this and attempt to watch it, if it sucks i'll watch something else - not a big deal. Almost all media is extremist propaganda.

The people on this site really need to learn how to torrent, it has been around for at least 15 years. Set up your Plex home server (free software, who doesn't have an old PC) and you will have something comparable to netflix. Install the Plex app on your smart TV and consoles and you have it in every room in the house.

[–] kuatorises (7467) 3 years ago

Why do I "need to" torrent? You think people are entitled to stealing content? Cheap fuck.

You're not a fan of movies if you don't prefer to see this in a theater.

[–] asom (6832) 3 years ago

"You're not a fan of movies if you don't prefer to see this in a theater."

You're not a fan of movies if you prefer to see this in a theater...

[–] JoeBlow88 (562) 3 years ago

My organized collection of thousands of video files says i am a bigger fan of movies than you are.

Yes, I am cheap. I try my best to not give a dollar to the US political entities; Like the major media companies in America. I donate to independent film makers in my country.

I don't waste thousands of dollars on overly expensive american computer software for personal use either.

A fool and his money are soon parted

[–] kuatorises (7467) 3 years ago

Waaahhh, a female hero!

[–] Drooch (5333) 3 years ago

What’s your issue with female heroes?

[–] kuatorises (7467) 3 years ago

I don't. I'm making fun of the people (like you) who cry that having a female hero makes something "woke".