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Why isn't this considered a Bond film?


Haven't seen it yet ( watching all James Bond movies in order INCLUDING THIS ONE) but Connery is in it as Bond. So why is this not considered an official bond film? Please don't spoil the plot

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It wasn't produced by EON Productions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eon_Productions

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EON owns the rights to "Never Say Never Again", so now it should be official.

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As long as it's Sean Connery....it's a James Bond movie to me. For me.....he is the definitive James Bond!



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It is a Bond film. When people say it's "unofficial" they just mean it's not part of the popular EON series, not that it's some copyright-infringing rogue production. The rights to this particular Bond storyline were owned by someone else (albeit with some limitations) and that someone produced their own movie based on it. Apparently the idea was to expand it into a rival Bond franchise but one of the limitations was that Bond could only be used in the context of this specific plot, so the franchise would have ended up being a series of remakes.

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Right. Flemming based his novel Thunderball on a script that he wrote with another writer. The other writer sued and won the right to make a bond film based on Thunderball.

He didn't own the character though, so any Bond film he made had to be an adaptation of that book.

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Has Connery but doesn't fit anywhere in the franchise, it's a remake of Thunderball.

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It's a long story going back to 1958 when someone called McClory worked with Bond creator Fleming and another guy to make a story to first bring Bond to the screen. Fleming ended up publishing this story as the novel Thunderball without crediting the two other guys and it went to court. McClory was awarded the rights to make Bond movies with the Thunderball story, so we got Thunderball made by Eon, and a later reworked and modernised version called Never Say Never Again made by another company with McClory.

There were attempts during seventies and nineties to make films from this story also but they never happened. The legal drama continued well into the new millennium with McClory's side eventually demanding they be paid income from all Bond movies since McClory had a hand in originally developing the "screen" Bond, and they were denied as they had left it so long. Amazing stuff.

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It doesn't open with Bond firing the gun at the eye and the naked women silhouettes swimming around would be the main reason I guess, lol.

Also this movie has a really poor soundtrack, especially the main theme.

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Yeah it would have been improved with a Barry soundtrack but the music never distracted me. At least it wasn't Madonna. I love the film. Now things that DO distract me ....slide whistles, moon buggy chases, midget henchmen, bumbling Southern sheriffs....This film had none of that so it's A-OK!

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Connery Bond insulted the Beatles like a square, Roger Moore had a theme written by Paul Mccartney.

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The guy who wrote Let em In and Say Say Say? loL I know they're just silly love songs. What's wrong with that?

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The guy who wrote "LIVE AND LET DIE." Ever heard of it?

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Not sure. Hum a few bars.

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"LIVE AND LET DIE" is a true classic

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Who said it wasn't?

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It IS considered a "Bond Film" by many. I sure do. I don't really give a damn about whether it was an EON production or not.

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