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I hate to agree with Candace Owens


but she's correct in asking why the black community is constantly given less-than-mediocre civil rights icons (after the 60s, obviously, when they had articulate, thoughtful leaders).

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Candace Owens is right, A LOT.

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True story.

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According to the media, she's completely right.

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The media tells me she's a white supremacist.

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I think you need to broaden your view on what the media actually is. There is plenty of media that think Owens of out of her mind.

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Uhhhh Candace Owens is correct like the vast majority of the time.

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(I know that, I just don't want the pod people noticing I think for myself)

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Ha absolutely not. She is an Uncle Tom.

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Typical libtard racism

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You obviously have not read Uncle Tom's Cabin or even a summary of the book.


In the novel Uncle Tom's Cabin, Tom risks his life to save the life of a little white girl, refuses to whip a slave and as a result is tortured, then gives his life to protect a black woman from being a sex slave.

So how is he a sellout?




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You and I both know what I was referring to. Lets look at the dictionary definition since you want to celebrate your ignorance.

a black man considered to be excessively obedient or servile to white people.


https://www.google.com/search?q=uncle+tom+definition&oq=uncle+tom+def&aqs=chrome.0.0i512j69i57j0i512l3j0i22i30l5.4087j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

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I know you are using a term spawned from ignorance and you justify propagating the ignorance.. Thanks for proving my point.

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What would you call a person who is a sellout then? Would shill work better for you? Also I got that from the dictionary smart one.

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I call a sellout a sellout.

Dictionaries record the usage of words/terms not their origin. The origin and usage of this term is based on the ignorance. Your obsession tp prove you are right after being proven wrong is a hallmark of ignorance.

Good night.

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The true sell-outs are BLM and the DNC. Black people are nothing but tools, to them.

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When you were consulting the dictionary did you learn that sellout and shill have different meanings? Because if you don't know that you might be ignorant.

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Lol your concession is noted. Learn the dictionary before commenting. Also okay then lets play your game she is a sellout.

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Didn't think so.

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One-of-the-good-ones grift. Very lucrative.

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I actually don't hate to agree with Candace, because she's right about a lot of things. And I find her to be a beautiful mind these days when it comes to talking common sense, which seems to be a rare thing these days.

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No she has actually been caught in many lies and is a shill just like the rest of them honestly. It is sad how things have become so corrupt.

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How many lies and lies about what exactly?

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Whoops, you made the mistake of asking for evidence. Evidence is probably considered racist these days...

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https://web.archive.org/web/20190410011017/https://www.newstimes.com/news/article/Racist-threats-case-filed-by-Stamford-High-107476.php

No I just do not live on these boards but providing evidence is quite easy actually. This is coming from a person who claimed she never dealt with racism in her life. Interesting that sure came in handy when it meant she would get settlement money. Go ahead and refute that. No racism, no feelings just facts.

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https://web.archive.org/web/20190410011017/https://www.newstimes.com/news/article/Racist-threats-case-filed-by-Stamford-High-107476.php

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Okay? So according to her past she did encounter racism.

You said she was caught in "many lies", and I asked "how many lies" and "lies about what", and you post up one article about alleged racist threats from her past.

How does that detract from everything else she's been right about?

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Okay? So according to her past she did encounter racism.


Which obviously was a lie considering the settlement she received from the lawsuit she filed. She claims to have never encountered racism in her past. Okay then why did she sue for racism and receive that settlement if that was not going on?

I said she is a liar and on someone's payroll. I never said she was wrong about all of the stuff she said. I do not think she is right about most things however.

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I said she is a liar and on someone's payroll.


You said she had many lies, but it's just one instance, and it's not even relevant to some of the more poignant things she's said over the years. On the opposite side of the political spectrum you have incessant liars like AOC and Beijing Biden and the rest of the swamp; not caught in just one lie but many, and they keep piling up.

A few examples:
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2021/02/03/aoc-completely-lied-about-her-near-death-experience-during-the-capitol-hill-riot-n2584205

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9222839/Only-subject-cares-Tucker-accuses-AOC-narcissism-Capitol-riot-story.html

https://nypost.com/2021/02/04/aoc-blasted-for-exaggerating-capitol-riot-experience/

https://www.westernjournal.com/aoc-lies-new-trump-welfare-rule-children-gets-40000-retweets/

https://headlineusa.com/aoc-cries-racism-biden-adviser/

https://www.libertynation.com/aoc-lies-and-cnn-looks-the-other-way/

https://archive.is/wip/4v4Hf

I do not think she is right about most things however.


What things? You seem to make a lot of blanket statements without really expounding on your position. It's like someone who says "I really hate Capitalism", but then never explains why.

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There are more lies she has been caught in. I simply used that one as an example. You can use this website to see many true and false claims made by a person of every party. https://www.politifact.com/
No you are not going to downplay her lie by pointing the finger at the other side and say well they lie more. Even if that is true it does not excuse someone else's lie.

Look at the website I provided you it gives some of her false claims. I do not agree with her about global warming and climate change. Funny many people claim to hate socialism and fail to provide any reasons. The second that word gets thrown out it is a scare word to discredit things. That is rather ignorant because people do not realize we implement socialism in programs today that made life better. Now is socialism perfect without flaw? Nope but neither is capitalism. A good middle ground is good.

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We rarely implement socialism. The government does not run hospitals, pharmaceuticals, banks, etc. Countries that do are broke!

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https://historyhub.history.gov/thread/8516

In President Harry's Truman's remarks in Syracuse, New York on October 10, 1952, he said this:



Socialism is a scare word they have hurled at every advance the people have made in the last 20 years.



Socialism is what they called public power. Socialism is what they called social security.



Socialism is what they called farm price supports.



Socialism is what they called bank deposit insurance.



Socialism is what they called the growth of free and independent labor organizations.



Socialism is their name for almost anything that helps all the people.



When the Republican candidate inscribes the slogan "Down With Socialism" on the banner of his "great crusade," that is really not what he means at all.



What he really means is "Down with Progress--down with Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal," and "down with Harry Truman's fair Deal." That's all he means.

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Politfact is filled to the brim with lies. Almost everything they post is a fabrication of one thing or another. They even denied the claims about Hunter Biden even when you can literally SEE the PHOTOS and VIDEOS and READ the text messages involving Hunter doing every despicable thing the news said he didn't do.

This website has cataloged it right here:
https://archive.is/kFWhH

Unfortunately, I think Kendricks is right. You've consumed WAY too much disinformation from corrupt news sources and no amount of evidence will sway you otherwise.

Funny many people claim to hate socialism and fail to provide any reasons.


Stalinist death toll: American historian Timothy D. Snyder stated that Stalin deliberately killed about 6 million, which rise to 9 million if foreseeable deaths arising from policies are taken into account.

Mao death toll: Frank Dikötter, Chair Professor of Humanities at the University of Hong Kong and the author of Mao's Great Famine, estimated that at least 45 million people died from starvation, overwork and state violence during the Great Leap Forward

Khamer Rouge death toll: It resulted in the deaths of 1.5 to 2 million people from 1975 to 1979, nearly a quarter of Cambodia's 1975 population ( c. 7.8 million).

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Never said they were totally correct. I did provide proof that Owens lied about experiencing racism though. No one can dispute that.

No I do not listen to mainstream media or news. All of them have an agenda. Most are left but Fox news is bias toward the right. Hardly any person or news station tells the truth. They all play for a team. Unfortunately you can't seem to understand that. You obviously play for the right and are against the left. I do not play for a team I think that keeps people divided. The world is not black and white like that.

I can do that same thing with capitalism. So since people have died as a result of capitalism does that disqualify it as well? Socialism is a scare word. Do you believe in the following farm price supports, bank deposit insurance, public power, social security, growth of free independent labor organizations? All of those were labeled as socialism back in the day.

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Never said they were totally correct. I did provide proof that Owens lied about experiencing racism though. No one can dispute that.


Yes, YOU provided a link about ONE of Owens' lies and then directed me to a website that LIES more than it tells the truth regarding basic facts. I don't care if Politifact fact-checked if the sky is blue, when an outlet outright lies about IRREFUTABLE hard truths (Bidens' tapes/photos/text messages/etc.,) and claims those truths are false, they lose ALL credibility on every claim they fact-check.

It's like looking at a guy robbing an innocent civilian and a fact-checker comes over and says, "No crime has been committed. Trust us."

Unfortunately you can't seem to understand that. You obviously play for the right and are against the left. I do not play for a team I think that keeps people divided. The world is not black and white like that.


Except you literally referenced a biased Left-wing source to prove a point about your anti-Right stance against someone who speaks a lot of salient facts about the current state of society. You didn't even attack any of her recent arguments, just linked to an old alleged case of racism that has nothing to do with her broader points.

I can do that same thing with capitalism.


No, you can't do the same with Capitalism because in a Capitalist society people live and die by their choices, no matter how benign or severe. In the examples I provided those people HAD NO CHOICE in their life or death because the State dictated the value of their life for them. THAT is the difference between the two.

Unfortunately you Millennials have been brainwashed and de-educated so badly by the system you don't know your Left from your Right and can't parse basic logic for the life of you. This isn't me trying to be mean to you, it's just a really sad and disparagingly hard pill for me to swallow, which makes me weep for our future.

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So then if that is the case that means I can discredit Candace Owens based on the fact I caught her in a lie. Anything after that lie she says has no credibility. I agree on this point. So we can discount that website so long as we discount Candace Owens.

Yep it is like that just like how it is obvious Owens blatantly lied about experiencing racism. Or did she sue for no reason?

Um yes I did, did you miss where I thought her claims about global warming and climate change was ignorant? So no I addressed that point as well.

Yep I can do the same. Nice how you skipped over my points where socialist programs actually benefited society. Although I am used to that type of ignorance on display from people who play for teams so no big deal. Not everyone who died had a choice in capitalism. That is completely false.

No what has happened is you think you know everything. Nobody can tell you anything and you think right wing points of views have no flaws in them. I can openly state I do not agree with all leftist ideologies you can not do that for right wing ideology because you are playing for their team. I say this and it honestly makes me sad. Both right and left wing people play for teams no discussion is had. Corruption gets covered up when it is for your team. Trump by the right is seen as some God and Biden the same for the left.

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So then if that is the case that means I can discredit Candace Owens based on the fact I caught her in a lie. Anything after that lie she says has no credibility. I agree on this point. So we can discount that website so long as we discount Candace Owens.


What kind of backwards logic is that? I can scuffle through Politifact and find plenty of lies (i.e., everything they've written about Hunter Biden, which I already linked to earlier), like this most recent one here:
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/oct/01/instagram-posts/redacted-ingredient-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-just-w/

It DOES contain a lot of undisclosed ingredients as discovered and detailed (with microscopic imagery) by Dr. Robert Young and his neuropathic team:
https://archive.is/h2Atp

It goes on and on and on with Politifacts lies, one after another. None of which you will ever stop and question the veracity of.

With Owens I explicitly ASKED you what all her MANY lies were and you only pointed to ONE instance. What are all these other instances? Technically I don't even have to ask and can dismiss your retort as a false equivalence (which it is).

Um yes I did, did you miss where I thought her claims about global warming and climate change was ignorant? So no I addressed that point as well.


Your opinion about her claims being "ignorant" doesn't make them lies.

Not everyone who died had a choice in capitalism. That is completely false.


Please cite the stats showing people dying under Capitalism because they had no choice, equivalent to the figures of those who died under Communism and Socialism.

Hey, I'll even help you out here. Black abortion rates, which have climbed upward of 20 million:
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/us-day-of-mourning-to-commemorate-20-million-black-lives-lost-to-abortion/

None of those unborn babies had a choice.... oh wait, that's another Leftist policy isn't it? Boy, you guys sure can't seem to win a moral victory these days can you?

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It is not backwards logic it is applying the same logic your using to discredit things. You said that I would not care if politifact said the sky was blue it has no credibility because of their lies. Well Candace Owens has been caught in lies throughout her career. One of them being that she lied about experiencing racism. Remember when she said Lee Harvey Oswald was photo shopped into a military uniform? Remember that embarrassing twitter exchange she had it was so bad she deleted her tweets? Oh I can go on and on about her. All of her lies? What do I need to dig up every single thing she has lied about? I already gave you another just now. Nope you can't dismiss something when someone provided evidence which is irrefutable not how it works. Had I provided nothing sure but I did provide evidence even it was just one. You can't refute her twitter exchanges either.

It is when she mixes up weather change with climate change. She said the weather is different yesterday than it was today... That is not what climate change is. That is another lie. She also said she does not share her opinion on that publicly except she did because she is on a podcast with millions of people watching.

Never spoke about communism therefore I will be dismissing that point. I also never said socialism was perfect but neither is capitalism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Livre_noir_du_capitalisme

Where did I say I support abortion? Go ahead and provide proof I support that. Good luck, happy hunting.







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Remember when she said Lee Harvey Oswald was photo shopped into a military uniform?


Given that he didn't kill Kennedy, I don't see how that's relevant to anything. And the fact the CIA has spread disinformation before, I also don't see how she's inherently wrong here. The CIA was responsible for the War on Drugs, and was also using the Vietnam war to facilitate the War on Drugs. So why wouldn't they fabricate a photo of Oswald in a military uniform?

Remember that embarrassing twitter exchange she had it was so bad she deleted her tweets?


What nonsense are you talking about? What Twitter exchange? With whom? You're being nonsensical.
Oh I can go on and on about her. All of her lies? What do I need to dig up every singl thing she has lied about?


Yes, because right now all I see is someone who hates a young black female for not being a slave on the Democratic plantation. You managed to find ONE lie and the rest is hogwash. So you better start digging for something substantial.

You can't refute her twitter exchanges either.


WHAT Twitter exchanges? Good gosh you're dense.

That is not what climate change is. That is another lie.


The Earth's climate has changed for billions of years. You have no clue what you're even talking about. Her example is correct, the weather today is different than yesterday, just like it was a million years ago. Everything the Left is talking about is disinformation and the misapplication of historical meteorological events.

I also never said socialism was perfect but neither is capitalism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Livre_noir_du_capitalisme


You do know majority of World War II deaths are attributed to Communists and Socialist regimes right? 10 million of those deaths occurred during the Holodomor massacre:
https://borgenproject.org/holodomor-genocide/

Are you 12?

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Maybe because he actually served in the military so they would not need to. Number two why did she delete her tweets? https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1399517531078017028?lang=de

Ken Klippenstein. I just provided a link.

Nope it is not my job to hold your hand and guide you through every lie she has ever told. If I had to do that we would be here all night. I provided other lies she said as well. She just plays for your team therefore gets a pass to be ignorant. Notice I never excused any of Biden's lies. That is because I do not play for a team like you do. Climate change and weather change are not the same, her twitter exchange, the fact she sued the school. Oh yeah she called Bernie Sanders racist as well, remember that? The same Sanders who was arrested for protesting during the civil rights movement... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K12U--lN2e8 I could not find this clip from fox news. The only area I could find it was the youngturks which I hate but in all her glory claiming Sanders to be racist. Funny how she pulls the race card when it goes against her team.

Um no you are the one who has not the first clue what you are talking about. Weather changing and climate change are not the same thing. Notice how she has not educated herself on the topic, she even goes to say she knows not much about it yet she has a strong opinion on it. Get educated buddy.

You do not get to point to something else as a means to make something look better. If another politician lies more than another it does not make the one that lies less look good. It also does not make the lies disappear. Also you do realize people die every year as a result of capitalism correct? You contradicted yourself. You said no one in captialism dies as a result of not having a choice. I gave you numbers now you want to try and downplay it.

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Maybe because he actually served in the military so they would not need to.


Guesstimating based on a lack of evidence does your argument more harm than hers, since it has already been established multiple times over by intelligence officers, professional snipers, and forensic investigators that he didn't shoot the President (and from where he was, it was impossible to do so), yet people have been convinced he killed the President. So no, she didn't lie, she called into question more of the hogwash people have been fed over the years.

Ken Klippenstein. I just provided a link.


WTF does that have to do with anything? She deleted tweets about an opinion she shared that disagreed with Klippenstein. That's not a lie, that's removing an opinion. Do you even understand what the word "lie" means? She's not allowed to delete tweets now?

Your arguments against her are hinging on puerility now.

Nope it is not my job to hold your hand and guide you through every lie she has ever told.


Yes, it is. YOU made the claim, so it's on YOU to substantiate your claims. Period.

I provided other lies she said as well.


No, you did not.

Climate change and weather change are not the same,


Actually, they are. Climate affects the weather.

Weather changing and climate change are not the same thing.


Great, so explain why there was more carbon dioxide in the air during the Pliocene era even though humans weren't around back then?

https://keelingcurve.ucsd.edu/2013/12/03/what-does-400-ppm-look-like/

You contradicted yourself. You said no one in captialism dies as a result of not having a choice.


No, I didn't. I asked you to show me people dying from not having a choice. The only way that's possible is through abortion, which is a Leftist (Socialist) construct that they want the government to pay for. So it shows you that even in a Capitalist society, Socialist values are usually the biggest culprit for people dying without a choice.

I gave you numbers now you want to try and downplay it.


You gave me numbers of people who died due to NATIONAL SOCIALISM and COMMUNISM.

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This is not about whether he killed the president. This is about whether he was photoshopped into a military uniform. Why would they need to do that when he served in the military? She got upset about political correctness something she always speaks out against.

Why delete it if you have confidence in your opinion? She deleted those tweets for a reason.

Nope I said she has lied many times. I provided multiple lies she said. I never said I could prove every single one. Nice attempt at twisting words. Kind of like how you are attempting to shift the debate to abortion or Biden which I never defended. Deny, dismiss, deflect or dumbfound is how you guys debate. Do not address the issue simply cover up for your team even when they are blatanlty in the wrong. Is Sanders a racist like Owens claimed? Or was that a lie also?

Yep I did. She lied about experiencing racism, she lied about Bernie Sanders being a racist, she lied about climate change. She lied that she does not share her opinion on that issue publicly. All of those were lies.

No no stay on topic. Weather and climate change are not the same thing. Weather always has changed since the dawn of time. Climate change happens a lot of because the things we do as humans. Climate is describing the long term not day to day.

Yes you did actually. I did provide the numbers and you attempted to deflect and downplay it. How many people die from starvation and lack of ability to pay health insurance evey year? You said not one person died in capitalism as a result of them not having a choice. I caught that contradiction and now you are upset. It is okay though individuals such as yourself have too big an ego to admit to being wrong so I do not expect you to be a person of integrity and admit it.

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She got upset about political correctness something she always speaks out against.


So what? It's her opinion. That literally has nothing to do with you saying she has "many lies"; her opinion on that topic is completely inconsequential to the claim you made.

Nope I said she has lied many times. I provided multiple lies she said.


You provided an example of ONE lie. The rest have been misinterpretations and opinions.

Is Sanders a racist like Owens claimed? Or was that a lie also?


Why would you consider it a lie if you never bothered to check if it was true in the first place? That's once again begging the question (literally). You automatically jumped to a position based on zero facts.

she lied about climate change.


No she didn't. You simply got angry she didn't toe the Left's lies and called her simile a lie. It shows you either have a fundamental problem with basic logic or you're just an out and out racist. Which one is it?

Climate change happens a lot of because the things we do as humans.


Great, so how did humans change the climate the Pliocene era by producing record high carbon dioxides when NO HUMANS existed on the planet during that era?

How many people die from starvation and lack of ability to pay health insurance evey year?


Starvation isn't dying without a choice. You can still go to food banks, you can still attempt to find work, or even ask for food. Health insurance isn't a right, it's a privilege. Even then, hospitals treat people without health insurance all the time. Someone CHOOSING not to go to the hospital due to an ailment is still a choice. Epic fail here, man.


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So then she is hypocritical then? I never claimed that was one of her lies. Nice attempt again at twisting words. This is the third time you have twisted my words.

Nope I showed what she said about Bernie Sanders as well. You are not skipping over that one.

Obviously that was a sarcastic question. You are playing dumb because you know that is a false claim she made. No actually my facts are he got arrested for protesting during the civil rights movement. This point flew right over your head.

No I got angry that she had a strong stance on a topic she knows nothing about by her own admission. How do you have a strong opinion on something you are uneducated on? Wow so now you are calling me a racist? Don't you get upset at others for playing the race card? I understood what she said perfectly it is why Joe Rogan absolutely made her look foolish. Never once have I called you racist so I see you are no better than the super woke crowd who uses that to their advantage.

Nope we are staying on topic. So you agree then climate change and weather change are not the same?

Starvation can be dying without a choice wrong. What if someone is paralyzed and can't move? People have died attempting to find work. People have died without access to medical care. Listen to what you just said why isn't health insurance a right? Is that where this country has turned either you pay for your insurance or die? Insurance is nothing but a scam and it is why other countries rank higher than us in healthcare. So then that should mean having the police visit your home should be a privledge not a right. Same goes for fire fighters. Police and fire fighters are paid by taxes would you like them to be privatized like the insurance companies? Every man for himself type mentality. Get educated before making yourself look more foolish than you already have.

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I also never said socialism was perfect but neither is capitalism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Livre_noir_du_capitalisme


Also, that Wiki link is filled with so much disinformation and stupidity I need to really point this out because you don't seem to have a hair's worth of common sense about you:

World War II was only fought BECAUSE of the National Socialists and Communists trying to take over the world!

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Some of the links you have provided have bias leanings as well. Go into detail you saying things are untrue are not good enough. I like how you could not dispute the facts of sociaism I proved were actually good.


Socialism is a scare word they have hurled at every advance the people have made in the last 20 years.



Socialism is what they called public power. Socialism is what they called social security.



Socialism is what they called farm price supports.



Socialism is what they called bank deposit insurance.


You can't dispute any single one of those. No opinions no feelings just facts.

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Socialism is what they called public power. Socialism is what they called social security.


With fair wages we wouldn't even need social security, which has ballooned so much that it's contributing $9 trillion to the deficit:
https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/443465-social-security-just-ran-a-9-trillion-deficit-and-nobody-noticed

Socialism is what they called farm price supports.


Socialism is what's reponsible for the subsidizing of American farms:
https://www.ewg.org/interactive-maps/2021-farm-subsidies-ballooned-under-trump/

Without those subsidies, farmers could produce enough food to feed 10 billion people and literally end world hunger:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/241746569_We_Already_Grow_Enough_Food_for_10_Billion_People_and_Still_Can't_End_Hunger

Talk about an epic fail of socialist policy, eh?


Socialism is what they called bank deposit insurance.


Are you trolling at this point? Bank deposit insurance and the Federal Reserve is why we have inflation and why Americans are now wage slaves:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/hyperinflation-why-care-150014897.html

The FDIC can also scuttle any success or monetary gain you have by utilizing federal overreach:
https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/politics/415478-operation-choke-point-reveals-true-injustices-of-obamas-justice

This is why anyone with common sense knows that financial security is in physical goods, such as the gold standard:
https://www.marketslant.com/articles/greenspan-urges-return-gold-standard

You REALLY need to free your mind and get out and away from the disinformation agents that are ruining your brain with a lot of falsehoods, because it will cause you more harm in life than good.

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Guess what else contributed to the debt you are neglecting? Remember that war we have been in for a long while since 2001? Way to side step that.

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Are you dense or something? The same elites that have utilized your Socialist programs to cripple Americans utilized every FAILED war in the Middle-East for profiteering purposes, all at the expense of American tax dollars and lives.

In fact, the current instrumentation of the American Industrial Military Complex is rooted in Socialist ideology: we pay into a program we have no control over, are sent into wars we don't get a choice in fighting, and have to pay to destroy and debilitate foreign countries on our own dime. It's not even an equity-based institution since Americans don't get jack squat out of it, not even protection.

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Lets leave these quotes for you. From a guy named Martin Luther King you might have heard of him.

“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”


“Capitalism forgets that life is social. And the kingdom of brotherhood is found neither in the thesis of communism nor the antithesis of capitalism, but in a higher synthesis.”

“I imagine you already know that I am much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic… [Capitalism] started out with a noble and high motive… but like most human systems it fell victim to the very thing it was revolting against. So today capitalism has out-lived its usefulness.”

https://mlkglobal.org/2017/11/23/martin-luther-king-on-capitalism-in-his-own-words/

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You are wasting your time.
You cannot reason with leftists.
All they do is parrot what they heard on CNN or in their facebook bubble and WHENEVER challenged to justify their claims, accusations or opinions, they start stuttering and hastily build strawmen left and right.

Same with Trump.
"Trump is a NAZI!"
"How is Trump a Nazi?"
"............ YOU ARE A NAZI TOO!"

It is pointless, like playing chess with a pidgeon.

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Yeah you're right, it's likely some millennial kid who got de-educated from a Liberal university.

This generation (and the next) are willfully hopeless and will be the gateway to the permanent extinction of Western culture.

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No the sad part is you guys pick a side and defend your team no matter what happens. I do not see it as right vs left I see what is best for the country. Socialism is a scare word that gets thrown out to discredit anyone's view that does not align with your own.

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Saying "socialism is a scare word" is not partisan politics at all, no?

You dismiss anything I could ever possibly say in regards to socialism by default without needing an actual argument. But go on, tell me more about how you don't discredit anyone's view that does not align with your own by doing so.

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And commenting on how anyone disagrees with you is a leftist is not political at all? Where did I claim I was a leftist? This is an assumption made by you simply because I said socialism is a scare word which it is. Am I saying all socialism is perfect? Nope but people do not realize that we have a lot of socialist programs that have benefited society that people berated back in the day.

You have not given me a chance to respond to any of your points since you made yourself look ignorant by making an assumption. I can respectfully disagree with people and have a civil discussion, your kind however is closed minded.

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"And commenting on how anyone disagrees with you is a leftist is not political at all?"
Political? Where did I say anything about things being political is an issue?
My point was partisan politics.

Of course I am "political" and of course I have a political affiliation in one way or another, but I will never just disagree with anything or anyone because it is "from the other side".

However, the phrase "socialism is a scare word" alone makes it easy to identify someone as a leftist partisan who, instead of delivering arguments, is resorting to combat phrases of the left to shut down any chance of a discussion. If you are not one of these people - why resort to such idiotic, and more importantly, wrong buzzwords?

Since you established that socialism is simply a scare word, meaning whoever is in any way against it is wrong and simply indoctrinated since "it is just a scare word [used to instill unreasonable fear]" there is nothing to debate, obviously. You are right, everyone else is wrong - by default.

Not how it works!

And before you call me ignorant because I made a logical connection, open a history book or turn on the news to see why socialism is not just a scare word.

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I never said all socialism was good. I said it is often used as a scare word to discredit anything people do not agree with. You simply can't comprehend that we have socialist programs today that actually benefit society. You have been indoctrinated to think this way. So go ahead say social security is a bad thing since all socialism is bad. You are the one that needs to crack open a history book. Quit thinking your team can do no wrong and examine situations.

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"You simply can't comprehend that we have socialist programs today that actually benefit society."
On the contrary, absolutely I can since I live in one of these countries.
I can also see how this shit can be a slippery slope and massive money sink.

Having a few "socialist programs" also does not make a country socialistic and that is obviously not what people are referring to when they point out the dangers of socialism and you know that, so why pretend people talk about Germany or Sweden when they warn of the dangers of socialism?

I also explained already I am not a political partisan, I have no "team", all I have is my personal set of values and convictions that I live by. No one put these into my head like you wrongly assumed (after calling me ignorant for making assumptions about you).
I was very left ~10 years ago, having all the "good standard opinions" I was expected to have but with life experience and education I realized that I never thought about any of these and changed my mind. The actual indoctrination as you can see, came from the left.
The education system here is left through and through and it is despicable.

I then changed my mind and today I am quite conservative which is untypical for where I live and the social environment I am part of.

For example, I am strictly against abortion, even in cases of rape, with the sole exception when the pregnancy would threaten the life of the mother. Usually, leftist drones start screeching something about religion... which is when I share that I am also an atheist, something they struggle to comprehend.

I am also very pro guns and think if you break into someone's home you are literally free game.
However, I am also against the death penalty, again something that confuses leftists when they expect their standard right winger.

What am I trying to say here?
I am not the stereotype you are looking for and it seems and, to be fair, you are not the stereotype I expected either.

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Then why did you get all bent out of shape when I said socialism is a scare word?

I never said have a few socialist programs made a country socialistic. I said that people use that word to discredit anything that is a socialist program without realizing some socialist programs benefit society. I am not pretending I am pointing out hypocrisy and facts.

See it is annoying when people make assumptions isn't it? Therefore do not make assumptions about me and I will do the same in return got it? I used to be extremely right a long time ago that was until I realized the issues they were wrong on. Now am I a full blown leftist no I can think for myself and disagree with them on many things. Indocrination happens on the right as well. Look at how the right views the war on drugs it is very ignorant. Why should someone smoking weed in their basement be a legal issue?

Disagree with you about abortion. If it is rape or the child will threaten the life of the mother it should be allowed. The problem with extreme right wingers on here is they are pro birth they are not pro life. The second that child is born they say let them starve it is not our responsilbility to take care of that kid. So that means you are not pro life you are only pro birth. Some women do that abortion because they know they have no financial means to support the kid. If they would actually put their money where their mouth was and want to help the mom support the child after birth I would listen as it stands it is not the case. Also that is a cavalier approach to take when you are not in the situation. Let your daughter, sister, mother or you be a woman that got raped and you are telling me abortion would not cross your mind? Do not lie now.

Disagree with being fair game as well. Do I believe you have the right to defend yourself yes but you should never be looking to kill somneone.

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A guy once had two teenagers that broke into his house. He shot both of them but it gets worse after he shot them and they were down for the count he dragged the girl by her feet and then shot her in the head. She was already down from the bullet he had shot her with. He had no right to execute her. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byron_David_Smith_killings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhUn5cRJBbY

Fair enough.

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"Then why did you get all bent out of shape when I said socialism is a scare word?"
Because, as I said, it is a typical buzzword of leftists to shoot down any criticism towards socialism in general.

"I said that people use that word to discredit anything that is a socialist program without realizing some socialist programs benefit society."
Considering your last posts, you are hardly in any position to complain here. You are just as guilty, you even initialized all of this with ignorant an assumption as well:
"No the sad part is you guys pick a side and defend your team no matter what happens."
'Got it?'

"Indocrination happens on the right as well."
Where?
Name a university, school or institution that promotes any far right talking points when in comparison we now have "safe spaces" at campus because "words do hurt" and pointing fingers is "racism" while clapping hands is a "micro aggression" and if you see any of this different you are a "hateful bigot that needs to lose his job".

Don't try to turn this into stand up comedy, you aren't funny.

"Why should someone smoking weed in their basement be a legal issue?"
Ask the republicans that are against this, not me.
While I detest drugs in general and don't think highly of "stoners", I am fine with them doing this. It is their choice, or should be.

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Well it goes the other way as well. It is a buzz word to shoot down anything that does not align with their conservative views. People will literally say that no good comes from socialist programs. Which as I demonstrated is blatantly false.

It is true your first post to me was an assumption. So you have no grounds to stand on here my friend.

Look at some of the universitys in Texas. They praise Columbus as if he is some deity who is a saint that did no wrong. Check out the videos of Prager University. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PragerU

Where did I try to be a comedian? Never did you are simply upset that I can combat and dismantle your points.

It is not their choice though. It is illegal in most states. The right wing talking point is it is a gateway drug. I do not view a stoner as any different than other people. See and you just admitted you judge stoners why? Is their choice affecting you? I have met stoners that work their job, are productive members of society and are good people. You do not think highly of them because you have this holier than thou attitude and think you are better than others.

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"If it is rape or the child will threaten the life of the mother it should be allowed."
How is it the child's fault how it was conceived? You want to kill it over that?
My personal set of ethics and morals don't allow that.
This is an innocent new life, what kind of people are we to kill it instead of try our best to give it the best possible chances in life.
I understand it can be torture for a rape victim to birth the child of her rapist, but killing it won't make anything undone.

"The second that child is born they say let them starve it is not our responsilbility to take care of that kid."
...what...

"So that means you are not pro life you are only pro birth."
Remind me again about assumptions from your neat high horse that is way too big for you...

"Some women do that abortion because they know they have no financial means to support the kid."
Then they shouldn't do things that could lead to pregnancy. You know, sex.
It's on them. Rape victims obviously excluded, and they are a useful scapegoat for your argument anyways, I see this all the time in the abortion debate. It's suddenly always about rape which is a shameless strawman.

"If they would actually put their money where their mouth was and want to help the mom support the child after birth I would listen as it stands it is not the case."
I am not responsible for feeding other people's children.
That is the basic principle of conservatism: Self-responsibility.

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Never said it was the child's fault, however it is not black and white. That is a lot to ask a woman to carry a child and go through pregnancy that literally puts your body through the ringer when you know the child is a result of rape. Ultimately do I think the right thing to do would be to keep it? Sure but it should be a choice whether they want to or not. Not nope you were raped deal with it! If you do that there will be more people that attempt self abortions or go to places or countries where they can get it done.

See again another ignorant point. People are going to have sex period. The key to is for them to be educated on protection. I disagree with them doing abortion as a means of contraception. Rape and threat of the mom's life is understandable though. Rape is not on them so why should they have to go through that pain for something they did not choose to do? Nope not a scaepgoat you just do not like that you can't dismiss it.

Rape is not self responsiblity. That is an act someone did to a person outside of their control. So basically you are saying too bad you got raped sucks to suck. Good luck on providing for that child. So again you are pro birth not pro life just be honest.

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"Also that is a cavalier approach to take when you are not in the situation. Let your daughter, sister, mother or you be a woman that got raped and you are telling me abortion would not cross your mind? Do not lie now."

I rarely ever lie in general as it only causes problems, and I never lie in debates like this. Not ever. Why would I even? The whole point is to express MY viws and I completely stand by all of them. That being out of the way:
I can't say as I never been in such a situation.
However, I could say that I would want to kill the man that did this to my daughter.
So... me wanting to do so - would that make it right? No, it would not.

That is why we have courts, so personal affiliation and emotion will not interfere with the verdict.

Same with aborting a child from rape. In the end, what matters to me, is the LIFE of the child. You can't just kill it off because your daughter was raped, that is completely wrong from my perspective.

"Disagree with being fair game as well. Do I believe you have the right to defend yourself yes but you should never be looking to kill somneone."

I am not looking to kill someone. I am in my home. Someone else broke in to do God knows what. Maybe he "just" wants my stuff. Maybe he is a psychopath and wants to see someone die. I do not know and I cannot be expected to take any chances in MY home.

If you play stupid games, prepare to win stupid prizes.

"A guy once had two teenagers that broke into his house."
Cherry picked analogy, I could present countless from my POV - but what for?

I agree that executing her was obviously wrong and that wasn't what I meant earlier with "fair game" and I thought that goes without saying.

I am not a murderer nor looking to become one, I think it would be horrible to kill someone, even a criminal. But this person made a choice and it chose badly.

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Where did I say it was right? It is not about right and wrong it is about what should be allowed and what should not. If a person went out and killed the guy who raped his daughter would I condone it? Nope but I would understand why that person did it. It is easy to say oh I would not have that child aborted even in rape well okay easy to say from your safe space. Until you are in that situation you do not know what you would do. Would some do the honorable thing and keep it? Sure but you couldn't really judge a person who would not want to deal with it. So then also that means you are willing to help fund programs to help the mother after the kid is born correct? Remember rape is not their choice. Therefore you need to pitch in to programs that help the child after it is born. If you say no then you are again pro birth not pro life.

I never said that. I agree you have the right to defend yourself the way you see fit. However the guy in the case I showed you was wrong. Defending yourself is one thing an outright execution when it is uneccesary is another.

Nope it is an anology that shows what going too far can do.

No when you said fair game most the time that means even those actions carried out by that man were okay.

I am not looking to kill or harm anyone. Is it necessary sometimes yes but I do not look forward to it like some of these wanna be tough guys on here.

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"Where did I say it was right? It is not about right and wrong it is about what should be allowed and what should not. If a person went out and killed the guy who raped his daughter would I condone it? Nope but I would understand why that person did it. It is easy to say oh I would not have that child aborted even in rape well okay easy to say from your safe space. Until you are in that situation you do not know what you would do."

Did you even read my previous post?

I am done wasting my time.

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Good step back in line where you belong simpleton.

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Oh boy.
There's really no better way to let everyone know you lost and struggle to handle it than insulting your opponent for no reason at all, especially after the debate is over. Now, everyone can see who you really are. A pathetic partisan who takes political debates personal and obviously hates those that do not share his political ideas.

Ironically, it was you who accused others, me included, of political partisanship.

Congratulations, you're not only a moron, you're also a total hypocrite.
But you have won... a place on my ignore list. Bye.

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There there child school has been let out. You may go home now.

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I never heard of her and had to look up the name.

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Sure.

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No, seriously. Does she appear regularly on some program?

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She's the Prime Minister of Caledonia.

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Sarcasm doesn't accomplish anything.

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Neither does snarky, disingenuous bullshit.

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Which does not describe my comment. I seriously had never heard her name until I read this. So I'm guessing she appears on some cable/satellite "news" channel that I don't watch.

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Sandy, I like you. You don’t tolerate shit from assholes (of course, whence else would shit come?) and you know the difference between “evidence” and “proof.” 👍🏻

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Sadly, some people consider them one and the same.



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Yes, and most people think a century begins with a number with “00” at its end. We both know that ignorance is not only rampant, it is celebrated and revered. Kurt Vonnegut’s short story, “Harrison Bergeron” has become our reality.

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If you actually googled her name you would have seen two links to her show.

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Yes, I looked up her name, and it mentioned The Candace Owens Show. I have DirecTV and have never seen this listed on the program guide. I don't subscribe to any streaming services.

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I'm willing to believe that he's never heard of Candace Owens. I mean, a lot of people (not saying him) are quite myopic when it comes to their news and information sources.

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I get my news from neutral, unbiased sources, the ones that fall within the green rectangle on this chart:
https://adfontesmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Media-Bias-Chart_Version-3.1_Watermark-min-2.jpg

I don't watch or listen to any fringe channels.

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The green rectangle is full of biased news sources.. Still, many of them have mentioned or interviewed Candace Owens.

I'm sure whatever college intern put that chart together believes otherwise though.


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The answer to this riddle is racist.

Weird eh?

LOL.

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I love to agree with her. One hell of a broad.

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She's a brilliant person. I hope she runs for POTUS someday!

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Ha hahah, imagine the meltdown of the liberals when they would have to vote against a black woman :D

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They've already prepared for that. They slap her with the same leftist conspiracy theory they pin on any "person of color" who doesn't bow to the democratic party--they'll say she's an undercover white supremacist and that will justify not voting for her even though we can bet all our money right now she'll be more intelligent than whatever degenerate scum the democrats run against her.

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