How much body weight did chauvin actually put on floyd?
In the video chauvin looks like his weight is on his foot and his knee is only lightly touching Floyd's back shoulder.
shareAsk someone to demonstrate on you. Tell them ahead of time that they can continue to keep their kneel on your back for a few minutes after your pulse cannot be felt.
PS. Don't do this.
If you're squatting like Chauvin was, you can very easily put all of your weight on your own back foot and have basically zero pressure under your knee. Now if the person under the knee has a lethal dose of fentanyl in their system, they're going to have some major problems... such as possibly dying.
shareI suppose they could. Is it reasonable to believe that the police were trained to restrain someone by putting their knee above a person's back without any pressure at all on their back?
Is that why Chauvin continued to keep his knee on Floyd's back after they could not find a pulse?
Who is claiming that the fentanyl in Floyd's body was always a fatal dose? Did you know it can vary from person to person?
Yes it can vary person to person: Some people die with higher doses of fentanyl but also some people die with LOWER doses. No one says it "was a always fatal dose".... but it IS a dose that has been fatal. So a fentanyl OD can "result in stupor, changes in pupillary size, cold and clammy skin, cyanosis, coma, and respiratory failure leading to death". So if someone takes an amount of a drug that has killed people, and the symptoms of ODing on that drug are respiratory failure and death and that person that took that drug has respiratory failure and death, I would say there is at least a chance (probably a big chance) that that person died from that drug. How anyone, without a shadow of a doubt, can be sure he didn't die from the drugs in his system but instead say it was from police holding him down with a knee on his back even though he was saying he can't breathe before ever even going to the ground... is beyond me.
sharePerhaps it had something to do with Chauvin keeping his knee on Floyd's back for two minutes after they were not able to find a pulse?
Do you think a perfectly healthy person can survive being pinned down by a knee to the back while their heart is stopped for at least two minutes? Maybe they can. Maybe not. But there is no reason Chauvin needed to keep on kneeling on Floyd to ensure he was dead after he was told Floyd did not have a pulse.
I think a perfectly healthy person is likely to die if their heart stopped whether or not someone has a knee on their back.
shareIt would be more likely for Floyd to have survived if Chauvin allowed medical treatment to begin after he was told he did not have a pulse.
There has to be a reason why Chauvin kept him knee on Floyd after he was told there was no pulse. I think Chauvin needed to ensure Floyd stayed dead.
It would be more likely for Floyd to survive if he didn't take fentanyl and then use fraudulent bills and then resist the police. Why keep his knee there? Maybe he didn't think it was causing any harm.
shareWell, he can think about that for the next 20 years…right where he should be, in prison.
shareSo Chauvin thought Floyd dying under his knee had nothing to do with his knee, so he kept kneeling on him for another two minutes?
How stupid does Chauvin have to be to kneel on a corpse for two minutes then think he had nothing to do with that death?
There is no evidence that that Floyd had or had passed fraudulent bills. And if he did, that doesnt kill someone.
shareDavid Dorn didn’t kill anyone, in fact he was murdered in the line of duty but you people sure don’t care about him now do you?
shareWe are talking about George Floyd. Take your Ritalin.
shareAnd I’m saying that David Dorn (who was an honorable St. Louis Police Captain, not a thug) was also murdered yet you people don’t really seem to care. I guess it’s easier to just forget about the black lives that were murdered if they don’t fit your narrative and lies.
shareSadly. He was killed during a robbery that had nothing to do with BLM protests. The police put an all out effort into catching the killers, arrested and convicted them. It's tragic but has nothing to do with the topic
shareIt had everything to do with the BLM riots, they were burning the city down because the far left told them to and that the cops were out to kill them which was a lie. You people didn’t care one bit about him because he didn’t fit your narrative.
sharewhy would you put them down and put your knees on them if you weren't exerting pressure? do cops not try and keep them under control? was the knees gently hovering on Floyd?
also no you cannot be easily squatting on your back foot in the position he was in. it is literally impossible. the video and picture confirm this
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/29/us/george-floyd-new-video-officers-kneel-trnd/index.html
Floyd didn't have a lethal does of fentanyl in his system.
share>>>Ask someone to demonstrate on you<<<
Don't need to do this, cops put people in this position all the time and 99.999999% don't die from it. But all it takes is one person to die from it, particularly a "black" person with a "white" cop that has his knee on the neck and you have a riot on your hands.
If Chauvin was black, nothing would have happened, not a single peep from the media and nothing from BLM either.
I don't like what happened, it didn't look good for police but they have to take people down almost everyday. People really don't like getting arrested but this is what we all agree with on how to handle people that break the law. But in my opinion on it, Floyd was having a panic attack mostly due to his claustrophobia and having drugs in his system.
If you watch the full video, Floyd went crazy when they put him in the back of the police car and he started thrashing around, that's when the officers felt like they had to restrain him. It's a terrible thing that he died from this but I can't pin the entire thing on the officers.
Chauvin screwed up though by holding him down for that long and that's why he's sitting in prison right now.
How many people survive while the police kneel on them for two minutes after they have no pulse? Do the police have to do that everyday?
If Chauvin had just left Floyd in the back of their car, they could have brought him to jail and dealt him in private. But it seems That Chauvin wanted more publicity. Is there a better way to explain it?
I have no problem pinning it on the officers when they kept a knee on Floyd's back after they knew he had no pulse; or technically dead. A line has to be drawn somewhere; kneeling on a corpse is a good place to start.
Claiming that the media would not have made a peep if Chauvin was black has to one of the most stupid things I've read in a while. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/01/28/tyre-nichols-death-black-police-officers/11136520002/
Police are trained to do the knee to the neck, if you don't like it, you should send letters to your congressman, and this kind of thing happens a lot in blue districts. It's the government that decides how to handle arrests not Joe Blow down the street that owns the convenience store that got sacked during a riot caused by your dislike of police tactics.
I'm not a fan of knee to the neck but I'm not the one risking my life everyday to fight crime either. Although, I do agree with you, Chauvin didn't need to keep Floyd down for that long.
And come on man, Nichols death wasn't from knee to the neck. And more importantly, it wasn't front page news everyday for a month like it was when Floyd died. How many riots happened over Nichols death? In addition to this, we didn't have news broadcasters screaming "racism" everyday for a month after Nichols died. This caused a lot of division in this great nation.
It seems that some police departments are already changing their training. A police officer making a snuff video in public is bad for their image. No one wants to be the next Chauvin I think.
You claimed, "If Chauvin was black, nothing would have happened, not a single peep from the media". It does not matter that Chauvin used his knee to slowly snuff out a person, it is enough he killed him.
As far as I know, delivering pizza is more deadly than being a police officer. Chauvin was not risking his life everyday as a police officer. My daughter is a police officer in Texas, she does not feel threatened every damn day either.
I did not feel divided over the death of anyone, why did you?
I don't think you can convince anyone that Chauvin was "trying" to kill Floyd. In fact, he wasn't even charged with 1st degree murder.
This would involve intent and planing to commit murder, Chauvin didn't go the scene with the intention to kill Floyd and he didn't use an approved tactic with the intention of killing Floyd either, that wasn't the case here. Chauvin's actions were in poor judgement and unfortunately this led to Floyd's accidental death. But still, not even the prosecution would tell you straight up that he was "trying" to kill Floyd.
And are you nuts? Delivering pizza's is not nearly as dangerous as being a police officer. Cops get killed in the line of duty all the time. Your daughter must work in small town USA. Cops make arrests everyday and more often than not, people will resist those arrests and what happens when they do??
Well, we know what happens, they get taken down and cuffed. It's an ugly part of the job but it has to be done otherwise, every criminal could just say "hey, I don't feel like being arrested today" and when that day comes, it would be the end of society as we know it.
Anyhow, here's a list of the most dangerous jobs in America and I don't see pizza delivery driver on this list but police officer is... https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/01/24/most-dangerous-jobs-25-most-risky-jobs-in-america/41040903/
I suppose the prosecution did not think they could get a conviction on 1st degree murder. Chauvn's actions convinced me he intended to kill Floyd. No one has to agree with me.
None of Chauvin's die hard supporters have come up with a rational explanation for why Chauvin decided to keep his knee on the back of a person without a pulse.
My daughter is not employed by a small town police department. She used to work in Killeen which is not known for it's low crime rate. While arrests are made everyday. Not all police officers arrest someone everyday they are on patrol.
I was wrong, pizza driver is less dangerous than police. https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2021/fatal-injuries-at-a-5-year-high-for-driver-sales-workers-in-2019.htm
>>>I suppose the prosecution did not think they could get a conviction on 1st degree murder.<<<
That would be correct, 1st degree would mean Chauvin was going to the scene with the intention of killing Floyd. There is no way they would have been able to prove that. Once again, he was basically charged with accidentally causing someone's death or as they call it, 2nd degree murder.
I personally don't have too many problems with the verdict but it's a hard sell when knee to the neck/shoulder area is an approved tactic that hundreds of officers have used in the past. Plus, the suspect had over a dozen different drugs in his system.
But the prosecution was able to make a pretty good argument that the knee at least contributed to Floyd's death. Maybe not the direct cause, but it contributed to it...
So, it is was it is. We lost over a dozen good officers and dealt with 2 billion dollars in damage over something that happens in every major city in the America on a daily basis, black people getting killed. But it's always a black person killing another black person. It's actually quite rare when a white person kills a black person. But the media wants to make it look like it happens everyday in this country.
It's a sad situation...
>>>Chauvn's actions convinced me he intended to kill Floyd. <<<
It's up to you if you want to believe this but the prosecution's decision not to charge Chauvin with 1st degree should tell you something.
>>>> rational explanation for why Chauvin decided to keep his knee on the back of a person without a pulse.<<<<
It's in police manuals to keep the knee on the neck even after the suspect stops breathing because they could come back to life and attack people.
LOL!! ok, I'm kidding about this. I really don't know why he kept him in that position beyond getting a pulse. The guy is probably just an idiot and thought the EMTs could resuscitate him. Who knows...
We lost over a dozen good officers and dealt with 2 billion dollars in damage over something that happens in every major city in the America on a daily basis, black people getting killed.
I've never seen any reliable links that accurately state how many police officers were lost as a result of rioting connected to Floyd's death. Where are you getting your information from? share
"I don't think you can convince anyone that Chauvin was "trying" to kill Floyd."
No, he can't, but that doesn't stop him from being a broken record about it.
Go ask him for evidence, that's when it gets funny because he thinks the video proves that Chauvin murdered Floyd on purpose.
Yes, he is that dumb. See other threads here, same story.
His choice I suppose. It wouldn't really make sense to claim he was "trying" to kill Floyd though because knee to the neck was an approved tactic at the time. So, whatever...
shareSo why do you think Chauvin kept his knee on Floyd's back for so long after they could not find a pulse? Do you really think any police are trained to do it that way? What rational reason is there for Chauvin's action that day?
shareAnd you should definitely watch the full arrest video, there is no way they could've kept Floyd in the car. He was going completely nuts...
shareI did watch years ago. He was in the car, then they took him and killed him. They could not have killed Floyd if they left him handcuffed and in the back seat of their vehicle. See how that works?
sharePolice cars are designed to keep people in. Lol
Signed, million man.
When someone is thrashing around and hurting themselves in the back of your police car, you have to take them out of the car to prevent them from further injury. The police were actually trying to help Floyd. In most police manuals, when the suspect is showing signs of overdosing or having a severe medical issue they're trained to put them in the prone position. Chauvin was just following police procedure,.
I just don't think Chauvin should've kept him in that position for as long as he did but then again, police manuals probably don't say anything about how long to keep them in that position. That was the biggest problem with it though. And during the trial, the prosecution was able to demonstrate that the knee did play a role in Floyd's death but the drug use did seem very much an issue as well.
The chief medical examiner came in and basically testified that the drugs killed him but then later came back and changed his story just a bit in order to fit the narrative of the prosecution. If the drugs played any role at all, they wouldn't be able to get a conviction because that would be "reasonable doubt" but in this case, they were able to "prove it" I suppose but I wasn't totally convinced by it. Anyhow, what choice did the jury have? If they didn't send him up the river, the whole town would go up in flames.
So if av person is having a medical emergency the procedure is to put him face down on the street and kneel on his neck? Really?
shareIf they appear to be overdosing or panicking or a threat to others or to themselves then, yes, that is in police training manuals. Fact is, it's highly unlikely someone is going to die in this position... as explained in this article here.... https://www.bing.com/search?q=prone+position+for+police+training&qs=n&form=QBRE&sp=-1&ghc=1&lq=0&pq=prone+position+for+police+trainin&sc=0-33&sk=&cvid=FEE0E9BC0B9B4B538EA40B29E1203276&ghsh=0&ghacc=0&ghpl=
I don't really agree with it because again, all it takes is one "black" person to die from it and you got a riot on your hands. A white person dying like that won't cause any uproars. In fact, a few years before the Floyd incident, a white man died from this technique and it got very little media coverage. His name was Tony Timpa.. here's an article on it.
https://news.yahoo.com/died-cop-kneeled-neck-14-170219960.html
You're typical of a Chauvin supporter. It's all "he was just doing his job". Kneeling on a corpse is not anyone's job.
Blaming the jury and calling them cowards for not acquitting Chauvin is another way Chauvin gets support. Are you telling me that the imagined threat of violence would be enough to stop you from rendering a proper verdict if you were a juror?
Well shit! And I just sent in my resume for the position of Corpse Kneeler.
shareI wasn't completely convinced by it but I think it was enough to get a conviction. Tbh, I'm not a "supporter" of either side, I'm simply taking an unbiased look at it.
Minneapolis training manuals had this as an approved tactic. While, it's ugly to look at, it was approved by the "democrats" that run that city.
The biggest issue with the case is the amount of time he kept Floyd in that position. Combine that with the drugs in his system and you've got an accidental death as a result.
There is no way Chauvin was "trying" to kill Floyd. The case was ultimately treated like a traffic accident that resulted in death anyways. In other words, he was NOT charged with "trying" to kill Floyd, it was assumed that his actions led to his death which is not too far-fetched considering how long he kept him in the prone position.
Besides that, who would try to kill someone with 10 cameras running?
Regardless of what you think of this case, it ended up costing over 2 billion in damages and the lives of over a dozen police officers that got murdered during those riots along with thousands that were injured, do you really think any rational person should care what happened in this case?
Got a link that says over a dozen police officers were murdered during riots those (which?) riots?
Yes, a rational person should care whether or not a police officer is allowed to kill a person, like Chauvin killed Floyd.
I don't have a link but I've heard different numbers, however, the fact is, officers died and/or were injured during the riots you defend and support.
But if you just need a link, here you go... https://www.wdrb.com/news/national/police-chief-association-releases-number-of-officers-injured-nationwide-during-violent-protests/article_db673920-34ab-11eb-9431-a3e24704f86a.html
No one should should care what happened in that trial. The backlash over this was way over the-top and was mostly built on lies anyways. "Doth protest too much, methinks".
It was an accidental death, no one should be losing any sleep over it. Too many factors made this whole case trivial at best.
I never said I supported any riots. That was a lie you made up to support your arguments.
So you "heard" numbers. But it seems you, personally, have no rational reason to believe that any police officers were killed during BLM riots.
Snopes says at least one police officer was killed during BLM rioting. https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/06/09/cops-killed-george-floyd-protests/
Lots of people cared what happened at that trial. Every time I've served on a jury, I cared what happened. I'm certain that the jury, defense, prosecution and judge all cared. You can be as uncaring as you want, but I doubt that most anyone involved in the Chauvin trial cares what you think about them.
Calling Chauvin's actions, which include continuing to kneel on a man for two minutes after he no longer had a pulse, some sort of an accident is how some people excuse Chauvin's actions that day. Chauvin took actions he knew were inappropriate and is now paying the price for it.
>>>I never said I supported any riots. <<<
Ohhh my bad, I just figured you were a supporter of riots kind of like you assume I'm a supporter of Chauvin. And since you haven't said anything negative about the riots what else are we to think?
>>>, have no rational reason to believe that any police officers were killed during BLM riots. <<<
Fine, my bad, it wasn't a group of cops it was just regular citizens and one cop and a federal officer. Here's a link.... https://www.foxnews.com/us/deadly-unrest-people-have-died-amid-george-floyd-protests-across-us
Regardless, we know cops were injured, people died, buildings were destroyed and you haven't said anything negative about it. At least I've said a few negative things about the Floyd incident.
>>>Chauvin took actions he knew were inappropriate<<<
That's highly debatable.
I do commend people that were involved in the trial though. Sitting through that would be tough.