Ukraine and Russia are both problematic countries, and neither has any clearcut right to the land. You seem to have some cut and dry, good guy vs. bad guy opinion about the conflict, but that's not the case. Billions, possibly over a trillion, of U.S. taxpayer money has been shunted off to Ukraine with zero oversight, and it's very likely a lot of that has been stolen by American and Ukrainian politicians. And even if that isn't the case, and every penny has been accounted for and properly used, the fact remains that the conflict there is no concern of the U.S. The U.S. aren't the world police.
You seem to think Russia is going to attempt to conquer Europe. That strikes me as so unlikely that it isn't worth thinking about it. If you're right, again-- what does that have to do with the U.S.? Do you think the U.S. should fight wars with Russia, China, and whoever else is doing something you don't like? What about all the African countries rife with corruption, conquest, and civil war? Should we be there, too, or only in more popular places like Europe and Taiwan?
Alarmist fear-mongers like you want to go to war constantly. Why? What's wrong with the U.S. focusing on its own interests, and letting the rest of the world focus on their own? If Russia takes back Ukraine--which is an accurate statement-- what concern is it to the U.S.? Europe can stand up to Russia if they want to. Maybe if we weren't always over there protecting them, they would have their act together and could do so. Russia and China able to thrive without American, maybe it's time the rest of that region learned to do the same.
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asom (6824)
8 days ago
β The U.S. aren't the world police.β
They surely acted like that so far. Or is IT OK only when US benefits from playing the βworld policeβ? You pretended to be the worl police, kinda late to stop doing that after fucking so much of this world β¦
β You seem to think Russia is going to attempt to conquer Europe.β
wouldnβt be the first time, read some history. Read Putinβs statements about the mighty old USSR. Ah, wait, ignorants donβt like to read.
β what does that have to do with the U.S.?β
treaties, alliances, NATO, etc.
β Alarmist fear-mongers like you want to go to war constantly.β
Actually the opposite, I want the wars to stop, but not under any conditions. It like you would say, if Mexico shots one bullet over the border, USA should surrender in order to not be a war β¦
The war is already started and going on, I want it to stop.
β If Russia takes back Ukraine--which is an accurate statementβ
as I said itβs not accurate, or maybe it is for ignorant, stupid Americans with zero knowledge of history.
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FilmBuff (7234)
8 days ago
Yes, the U.S. has a long history of intervening in wars that it should avoid, but just because they've made the mistake in the past is no justification for it to continue. Beyond that it seems all you've done is call me ignorant because I disagree with you.
If Mexico attacks the U.S. then yes, we'd be justified in fighting back. If Chad attacks Cameroon, that's on them. We shouldn't fund that war, or send our troops in to fight. The same goes for Ukraine. That's for them to sort out with Russia. We can still negotiate treaties with other countries even if we don't blow them up.
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asom (6824)
8 days ago
"Beyond that it seems all you've done is call me ignorant because I disagree with you."
Yeah, If I say 2+2=4 and you disagree with me ... well, yeah, you're ignorant. You don't disagree with me but with ... science.
The fact that Ukraine is not part of Russia is well documented and historically attested. Disagreeing with historical facts IS ignorant.
And it's funny that Putin have used the argument "we are only defending the Russia population in Ukraine" several times. What does that tell you? That the rest of population is NOT Russian but Ukrainian. And yes there are ethnic differences, language and cultural, not understanding this is ignorant.
Again, leave the typical American ignorance aside and educate yourself in some history. Start with the links I provided.
As for US getting involved, you don't understand the implications of not getting involved.
Hint: Belgium was neutral in WW2, that didn't stop the Nazi Germany to invade it.
Let me teach you some more history: if USA wouldn't had been involved in the war since the begining - sending help to UK, USSR, etc (the lend-lease program) now the whole world would speak German. Including USA. What do you think it would happen when your traditional enemies conquer the whole world while you do nothing because ... it's not your fight. When it becomes your fight it might be too late for you. And it WILL become your fight sooner or later.
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