Will Donald Trump face any criticism for the awful scenes in Afghanistan?
It was his idea to negotiate peace and pull out.
shareIt was his idea to negotiate peace and pull out.
shareBiden completely threw out Trump's withdrawal terms and timeline, this is all on Biden. Every drop of blood.
He threw out The Wall, Immigration policy, Oil policy,....basically, everything of Trump, Biden tossed away, nullified it. Everything that has happened these 8 months is on Joe Biden.
He simply postponed it, same thing would have happened months earlier. Maybe even worse.
shareSo you agree, this was Biden's plan. Biden made the call.
shareTrump’s plan, put back a few months by Biden to ensure thousands more could get out.
shareOnce Biden made a single alteration, it was no longer Trump's plan. It's not that difficult.
shareIt’s just a better one isn’t it. Not difficult to understand.
shareBetter? How do you quantify that? Since Trump's plan was scrapped and never carried out, all that we are left with is what we got, the Biden Withdrawal.
The results of the Trump Withdrawal never happened, so it is in the dustbin of history. All we have is the Biden Disaster. There is no Trump plan.
Once Biden made a single alteration, it was no longer Trump's plan
Trump never had a plan!
He decided it would get him a bit of popularity to suck his ego off if he decided to pull the troops out, and , just for a money shot happy ending , he put an arbitry date on it that he pulled out of his ass, and left Biden to make a plan and to carry it out.
Now if he was still in power , granted he would have made a plan and gone through with it.
How that would have gone we can never know.
But my guess would be "fucked it up a lot worse than Biden did"
lol
I doubt it. Trump is no mastermind, but you'd have to really fuck up to have a worse evacuation.
I suspect Trump would not pullout at all and send military back in after this nice vacation. I suspect biden might do the same, depending on what his handlers instruct him to do.
Absolutely true, there could have been thousands more deaths if Biden didn’t stop from Trump from doing it.
shareSo instead of just accepting Biden completely blew it, it's better in your little world to whip up an idea of what would happen if another president was in charge and think 'it would definitively be worse?'
That's sheer blinders-on lunacy. It's baffling how you can think that way. Explain how Biden saved thousands more lives over Trump. I'm not talking conjecture but something with a semblance of fact.
Trump had his own plan to pull out of Afghanistan. They came with a ton of stipulations and contingencies that, if not met, would cause everything to be scrapped and backed up. His plan was to pull out civilians and allies, destroy or pull out weapons and equipment, then pull out troops last. It's well documented Biden's administration tossed it aside for this plan.
You staunch liberals make being a moderate so dang difficult. I mean, I'm sitting here defending Trump because of the audacity of some posts defending, and in this case, touting Biden's actions. Madness.
Stop Making Me Defend Donald Trump!: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eq0X4qDlR0
shareTrump would have made sure we didn't leave equipment and people behind before we left how are you this stupid?
shareGo fuck yourself idiot this is 100% on Biden and you dems
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Nah it was Trump’s idea you idiot.
shareBiden scrapped Trump's idea and we got this. Go suck a tubesteak in Kabul
shareYou are very polite like all Trump fans.
shareAnd you're very stupid like all Biden's. You been smoking crack with Hunter today?
shareDon't take the bait man, this stuff is funny to me, it's aging like rotten cheese in real time.
shareOP right now
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Are you kidding? Everything's Trump's fault including the extinction of the dinosaurs.
shareWell maybe if he built his wall around the park then they might not have got out.
shareYou have summed up leftist thinking succinctly. Thank you!
shareThe scary part is, this is exactly how liberals think.
shareI know. I wasn't kidding! 💯
shareIf you can’t tell it was an obvious joke that Trump could build a wall around Jurrasic Park, which is fictional.
Then i have no words for how you lot think.
What you're failing to understand is that your opening post is just as ridiculous as your joke.
Trump putting a fence around Jurassic Park: Attempt at humor by using absurdity.
Blaming Trump for Biden's horrifically ineffective strategy of pulling out of Afghanistan: Attempt at making a political point by using absurdity.
Hence the comment, "this is exactly how liberals think."
It boggles the mind that this has to be explained.
shareSay I suggested we go and do a parachute jump.
If you died from hitting the ground as you forgot to bring a parachute, would that be my fault or your fault in your eyes?
Mine obviously.
Not sure how it relates.
Trump wanted to pull out, lost the election, so blame Biden for his idea.
If you don't see how it relates then you are a case of stupid. Sorry.
Bidden totally forgot to bring the parachute.
Well, I'm glad you can see where the responsibility lies in this scenario but I am confused as to how you can't extrapolate it to the situation in Afghanistan.
I shall break it down for you.
I suggest doing a parachute jump = Trump suggesting/setting the groundwork of a pull out of Afghanistan.
I have a solid plan, a detailed kit prep to make sure it goes smoothly and safely = Trump plan to evacuate American civilians & terps, gear that would fall into the hands of the Taliban etc and then lastly pull out troops.
You, bumble out of the airplane door and plummet to your death as you failed to make even the most basic checks = Biden catastrophically failing just about everyone, pulling troops in the middle of the night, not informing anyone, leaving thousands of Americans behind and putting civilians from both Afghanistan and from all the western countries at risk from the Taliban. Not to mention the billions of $ of military hardware he basically handed over to the Taliban.
Sure, Trump instigated the pull out. Someone had to do it. Or would you prefer we were at war in Afghanistan for another 20 years? You want to blame Trump, but ultimately Biden has this on his hands. Do you blame the creator of a bad idea, or the person that carries out that bad idea...Biden is the POTUS, or at least we're told he is. He's taken great delight in reversing Trump era stuff. He could have intervened in Afghanistan too.
If you really want someone to blame, have a look at Obama. In charge for 8 years with what to show for it? We know the ANA wouldn't work without air support which the west was supplying. How many Afghan pilots were trained in those 8 years? How many aircraft techs to maintain the helicopters and jets? 20 years and we still had thousands of western contractors in country doing this shit that the Afghan people should have been doing. Absolute joke. Of course the Afghan military were going to roll over when the Taliban rolled in. This was inevitable.
It wasn't the idea of pulling out that was the problem. Everyone knew we had to pull out.
The problem was with how it was done.
Trump should not have been dealing with those type of people.
"Will Donald Trump face any criticism for the awful scenes in Afghanistan?"
The answer to that is obvious. Of course he will.
All from the Left, trying to deflect blame away from Biden. Ignoring the fact that Biden is Commander in Chief, and completely responsible for how the withdrawal was handled.