prosecutorial overreach.
this won't go anywhere.
shareI agree. The armorer was truly at fault.
shareThe armorer did not point the gun at the victim nor did she pull the trigger. Baldwin did that.
shareI disagree. Actors rely on experts to hand them guns that are not loaded with live rounds. I dont understand why this is incomprehensible to you and people like you? This will be the last time I speak on this.
shareExcusing negligent handling of a firearm for any reason is bad.
You don't understand why a shooter is responsible for the bullets they send downrange? Then your opinions on the safe handling of firearms is worthless.
Yeah, go find a safe place to hide from integrity and truth you snowflake.
Just never going to agree with you. Call me whatever names you want. Its not the army, its not the marines it’s not even a public or private shooting range or some rednecks backyard. Its a movie set and armorer’s are employed to guarantee safety and are experts in their field. There is no way there should have been live rounds on that set or even loaded into a gun for a scene in which it is fired or not fired. Therefore it is not reasonable to expect an idiot actor to think otherwise. I am a gun owner and I know all the same safety rules of which you speak and I follow them but again and you seem to really not be comprehending the fact that this was a movie set where a professional, expert armorers main function was to guarantee safety and where no one including idiot actors expect a gun to have live ammo loaded. And btw no charges were ever filed against the actor that shot Brandon Lee making The Crow. Your just wrong about this.
shareA friend of mine is an actress who has had to handle guns for roles. She was in a Western and had to handle a revolver. The gun goes through a number of hands, and if they're security-conscious -- they weren't on Baldwin's set, which is why a number of the crew walked off the set protesting the lack of safety -- but if they ARE security conscious, everyone handling the gun checks it. Last of all the actor checks it. If they're not even supposed to be firing it, as Baldwin said, he should have handed all bullets -- blanks or not -- to the armorer and asked why he was handed a loaded gun. If he was supposed to shoot it, he should have checked to see all the cartridges were blanks. My friend told me it was easy to tell blanks from real bullets.
The reason the actor checks the gun is because they're going to have to be the one trying to sleep at night if live ammo is fired from that gun while they're holding it, killing somebody.
For pity's sake! If everyone in the world was let off for killing someone on a movie set, would that make it okay to do it the next time it happens? No. So enough with "Brandon Lee! Brandon Lee!" 🤦🏼♀️
Well clearly there are very passionate positions regarding this issue. There are thousands of movies with thousands of gunplay scenes and I can only recall 2 within my lifetime where actors were killed and both were because of the negligence of the armorer. I doubt in all those thousands of films and thousands of scenes with gunplay did an actor check or test a gun once it was handed to them and they were told it was safe. I guess we will all have to wait and see what comes out in the trial and what the result is. I may even change my mind about Baldwins culpability but for now I dont see any evidence that he was negligent in his capacity as an actor. Now if as a producer he was negligent regarding safety and cut corners to save money than that is a different story. But I still dont think, regardless of the actor, it is the actor’s responsibility to guarantee a firearm is safe or cold or whatever after it has been handed to them and they have been told it is safe. Most actors probably know next to nothing about firearms and ammunition.
shareIt takes little time to check a revolver. And blanks aren't hard to detect. But you do have a point, there, with your last line. People who aren't used to guns probably have no business being around them, even in the movie business.
shareSo even if Baldwin admits that he was negligent and should have checked the revolver himself, you would never agree with me. Dealing in absolutes is stupid.
How is it that you are refusing to understand the basic rules of gun safety?
1. Always point a firearm in a safe direction.
2. Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot.
3. Treat every gun as if it were loaded. Keep it unloaded until you’re ready to use it.
4. Know your target and what’s around it, including beyond it.
Baldwin violated all of them. Had he adhered to a single one of those rules, he would not have killed anyone. everyone with a gun in their hand needs to follow these basic rules, they cannot give the responsibility to anyone else.
Baldwin is trying to blame others when he pointed a loaded gun at a person and discharged it. He should not do that.
Steve, actors are just as capable of learning how to minimize risk as anyone else, guns fire bullets, and bullets kill people, like that first grade teacher who was just blown away by her 6 year old student. I take it you feel the child’s parents shouldn’t be held accountable either because they’re not professional soldiers and since they have no formal training in armed combat should be cleared of any wrong doing what so ever.
shareI disagree. Actors rely on experts to hand them guns that are not loaded with live rounds. I dont understand why this is incomprehensible to you and people like you? This will be the last time I speak on this.
We have all been round and round on this countless times on this page .
I'm with you , when filming the rules need to be different .
But!!!
Baldwin wasnt filming , he was just pissing around with the gun, so he should have been observing all the everyday gun safety rules same as he would in his house.
Baldwin knew that it was a REAL firearm. That alone seals it all.
If you are negligent enough to point a real firearm at people while being unaware if it is loaded or not, you need to face the consequences.
If actors rely on experts, why didn't Baldwin rely on it then? He relied on anyone NOT an armorer apparently when handed the revolver.
sharenot at all correct. The armorer didn't pull a trigger that wasn't supposed to be pulled.
shareI disagree. Actors rely on experts to hand them guns that are not loaded with live rounds. I dont understand why this is incomprehensible to you and people like you? This will be the last time I speak on this.
sharei would bet most canadians actors don't know anything about guns. we don't have the gun culture that the usa has.
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