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are movies more banal, half dimentional now?


Maybe it is just me acting jaded over the industry turns, but really feels like movies have lost some of their "depth" I guess you could call it. Weak, empy characters lacking likeability, singlular story lines followedinstead of multiple isnteresting strings that all tie together at the end... mentally unchallenging...

I know summer blockbuster types are all 'splosions and flashy colors, I get that, but many other things that coudl be deeper feel like they should have been a 30 minute Twilight Zone episode instread... not going to call out specific films, and it can be subjective, I know... feels like the OVER ALL landscape has dulled down... maybe to be safe? There's one here or there that pops out and shocks or astouds, but the reast aren't even trying.

Is it the "any idiot can own a cinema camera for $900, million dumb films on streaming now" thing?

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Are we talking 3D movies or regular?

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Not necessarily, and it would greatly help if you provided specific movie titles to support your premise. This broad open-ended topic may be the result of selection bias.

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well, I see a lot of littler movies too, and MOST of the time, I come away thinking, "that was a cool premise but should have been a 30 minute twilight zone episode instead of a full movie" Sadly, they are so forgetable, I can't even remember the names now. usually some indie sci-fi I am giving a shot.. but now, I dont even like trying them, because they take to long to go anywhere, and where they go is a let down - feels too small, too little to even be a 90 minute "feature"

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That's some pretty good insight. Would you be able to share some of the titles of the movies you're referring to?

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I must have selective blocking memory - I do practice that to free up mental space for creativity (hey, it works for me) as trying to recall movies I have watched that were not good, is failing. I've forgotten them so hard aleady.

I did see TWISTERS but it is a summer blockbuster so it mostly gets a pass... even though I felt the cardboard characters were very forgettable compared to the original - the original, I was interested in their personal drama, why they did what they did, and where THEY were headed in the tornado environment PERSONALLY. This new movie, which mostly seemed to clone the premise of the original... hell, I don't even remember the motivations of the leads. the girl losts some friends in the ACTION PACKED intro... some people we didn't know at all or care about, as I was too busy trying to keep up check marking diversity boxes on my paper check list... the Glen guy acted like a snake, but was decent in the end? I don't even recall the point to his existence, just plodding a character through some hero paces....

I watched DREAM SCENARIO with interest from the concept in the trailer, only to feel like it should have been a 30 minute episode, or just another Black Mirror.

just watched CADDO LAKE - see? just watched it and totally forgot I watched it. Yet another weak character twilight zone type movie that was too long, just not that good. had they learned character develpment, it would have been interesting, but I don't even recall much about the lead guy. forgettable. forgotten already. could have been a 30 minute twilight zone also.

looking at list of movies... saw 65... yeah no, nothing to even say there. dull forgettable

a bunch of other lil movies I watched, skimmed and forgot.

Effects are GREAT now days. Perfection mostly. Those are fine, and they should start focusing on characters or WHY we want to watch, and STORY where those characters will go. Because great effects are not a movie.

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other films I forgot and didnt care about"

Hypnotic - should have been 30 min twilight zone
Vesper - omg why did that movie even exist???
Matrix Resorection - OOF
Reminiscience - oof nuther 30 min twilight zone episode. cool effects and forgettable thin story

Top Gun 2 stuck with me - they set up the CHARACTER well at the start so we knew the stakes and the score. it's interesting and rewatchable TO ME (everyone is different) and it was very succedsfull because they put in the time to write and make and interesting MOVIE, rather than green light a thin plot to push out and be forgotten the next month.

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Indie sci-fi... Couple goodies since 2015 I've liked:

UFO (2018)
The Innocents (2021)
Turbo Kid (2015)
High Life (2018)
Prospect (2018)
Monolith (2022)
Midnight Special (2016)
Seobok (2021)

Most aren't action packed, but might appeal to genre fans.

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I don't see that.

I certainly see something like that happening with the majority of big budget Hollywood movies. Their budgets are completely out of control. It's David Foster Wallace's law of inverse cost and quality writ large.

But I don't see an overall 'safeness' or decline in quality. I certainly find enough to be going on with myself.

I think the basic economics of filmmaking have always been the same. The more money your film costs to make, the more money you need to make back. This has always meant bigger budget films can afford to take fewer risks and are generally less interesting.

But it almost certainly depends what interests you and where you're looking. No-one on Earth has a true, overall picture of the film industry. Because there's just too much media for any one person to consume.



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yeah true. I've seen a bunch of 100 million dollar movies, feeling they should have costed maybe 30 mill at the most, and should have paid the script writers a lot more to make a better narrative.

I do spend time looking into ALL the little and big movies out there... trying find some diamonds in the rough, but keep finding more rough in the rough, almost no diamonds. now there is a glut of media... too many movies released every year, no one can keep up, many going to exclusive streamers that I dont have so I cant even see if they are good.

whatta mess

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The quality's dropped since Covid, while the levels of hype have increased. Same with TV. It feels like being gaslit sometimes.

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It's give and take. The fact is, we have far more movies being ou.ped out now and the glut favors crap. Streaming wants content over quality.

Theaters are messy. The early part if this year sucked. The summer wasn't much better but people got deadpool and wolverine fan service, so they're hyped again. Beetlejuice was a flash in the pants. Alien Romulus was 2/3 of a movie. Long legs has good reviews but no one cared to watch it. Terrifier 3 is fun but people are annoyed with gore franchise (saw and hostel overdue it).

Honestly, if your noticing a decline in quality, reduce your witching to one day per week.

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yeah... I need to be even MORE selective. I'm involved with making lower budgeted stuff, but even I can tell when something looks like crap and could be better, and usually it all starts with how good the script is: is it a plodder or a page turner?

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They look and sound great, with plenty of style -- but aside from being clever at times, most of the writing is subpar and not compelling at all. The best writing is still to be found within what's left of "Peak tv" and maybe an indie film here or there.

But as always, what's offered is a reflection of what the masses prefer to consume.

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...or are the masses only consuming what they are offered? ;) think about that. There is not a ton of options to support the really good films, because there are SOOO FEW now

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They're trying to make money. You make money by giving people what they want (aka, serving the market). Most don't have the standards you have, so the big screen is mostly filled with great visual content -- but safe, and preferably pre-sold (based on existing IP). Risk taking doesn't often pay. And most don't patronize that indie film here or there.

On the streaming side, you need fresh content on the regular.

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My take, as well. Plenty of quality in the art/international cinema world, but you have to seek it out.

In 'the old days', you could see some subtlety sneak thru in general release US movies, but it seems those days are g-g-gone.

I go to European films for the better bits.

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I feel like actors/actresses gravitate toward NETFLIX now when making movies because they can make a movie for 50 Million dollars with the actors/actresses getting paid $50 Million dollars for it too and they look very low budget. I feel like this is an effort to eventually attempt to do away with movie theatres in favor of home entertainment thanks to the Woke Virus??

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I'm seeing a ton a lower budget movies flooding the streamers making it very hard for the really good stuff to float to the top. Mostly on Amazon - they seem to take anything if they could make a penny off it, but all those TUBI PLUTO places, and many on Netflix and Apple TV... last two have budgets and look pro, yet come off as more filler than great even staring A Listers. It's sad

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Yeah, ever since streaming became a thing, I started noticing that people would make a big fuss about this movie or that movie, or this tv show and that tv show, and yet months after watching them, I wouldn't remember hardly anything that happened in them. It's like, all proper creativity and edginess has completely been lost in Hollyweird when it comes to story-writing. Even the Chinese they were pandering to have noticed this. That's how bad it is.

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