A family friend on holiday has just been robbed and beaten up there. This has been happenening way too often to Western tourists. The country has turned into an absolute shithole these past 30 years.πππ
shareYour friend is lucky to be alive. Life is cheap over there and nobody cares π€¬
shareI have no clue why she went, she even knew someone who got shot and killed over there. Just visit a safari park in Europe.
shareThat's what I was thinking:
South Africa sounds like a shit hole honestly, can't see why anyone would want to go there.
I WATCH A YOUTUBE CHANNEL WITH A GUY THAT IS ORIGINALLY FROM SOUTH AFRICA...HE HAS FOND MEMORIES OF GROWING UP THERE AND SAYS THERE IS STILL A LOT OF GOOD THERE...BUT OFTEN MENTIONS HOW DANGEROUS IT IS AND THE DANGER LEVEL IS WHY HE NEVER
GOES BACK AT ALL.
That guy who sounds like a CIA agent who's always ragging on China and tells you to stay awesome?
LMAO...NO...I ONLY SUBSCRIBE TO CHANNELS FOCUSED ON MOVIES,COLLECTING AND RESELLING.
shareWhy lie man?
I know you subscribe to samoanjoes' channel about toenail maintenance.
THAT CHANNEL SERVES A PURPOSE...WHENEVER I FINISH EATING...I IMMEDIATELY FLIP ON A VIDEO AND VOMIT ALL OVER MYSELF...YOU SHOULD SEE HOW MY BIKINI FITS.
shareI see where you got your bikini from.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d0/71/f6/d071f69f96204d016ba4facdca704310.jpg
Would South Africa be a better place if whites still ran the joint? Serious question though of course I oppose colonialism and support majority rule. But lets get real, why did it turn into a shithole? Teh blacks?
shareIt bears consideration, as I have read increasingly disturbing stories about how things have deteriorated there since the end of apartheid.......
But delving into that aspect could turn political, which is verboten here in GD, so I won't go there.
Just saying......
Haha. Isn't "Fuck South Africa" political to begin with?
shareMassive corruption in government. 32% unemployment rate. 40% for youths. High rates of poverty and inequality.
I speak about this coming from a country that has a very similar situation with our indigenous peoples. I really hope that the situation is improving here, but the effects of generational trauma don't disappear overnight. I think it will take a while for South Africa to find a way to make it work.
However, if the Europeans had never conquered South Africa, and it didn't have a legacy of apartheid, it might not be such a mess now.
So maybe I should reconsider my snide comment about "teh blacks". The cause of the problem may really be "teh whites".
Are you aware when there were White farmers everyone was fed. After the Black South Africans either murdered or ran off the White farmers crime skyrocketed because the Blacks didnβt know how to farm. People began going hungry. When hunger starts crime increases especially when the warlords take over. South Africa is a lost cess pool. Some people arenβt meant to rule which includes people of all races. Do you know of any prosperous country run by warlords?
shareI think that the point is that before the white farmers came, people had existed there for 1000s of years and were able to feed themselves.
I do agree that warlords aren't meant to rule.
I don't think that Jacob Zuma was a warlord though. I do think he was corrupt as hell. I do hope that he doesn't win the next election as in my opinion the country will just get worse. Not that I think that Ramaphosa is doing much better.
βI think that the point is that before the white farmers came, people had existed there for 1000s of years and were able to feed themselves.β
True, but as usual when the White man wanted something he would take it by any means necessary. Look what the White man did to our American Indian. As I grew older I became wiser. It was horrific what they did to them. But, back to South Africa. White man took the land from the natives thereby having a cash cow for each. Decades went by resulting in the Black man losing the skill to farm leading to hunger.
All over the world there are warlords stepping in to take power. This gives rise to tyrants. They kidnap young girls for pleasure and they take young boys to be trained to murder. They abscond with the relief suppliesβ¦leaving the populace going hungry. This is how they are controlled which leads to more soldiers.
Let's just say I'm not going to act like the transition into a democratic and equal society has been a succes.
ββ¦Let's just say I'm not going to act like the transition into a democratic and equal society has been a succes.β
It hasnβt. Democracy is a βMajority Ruleβ. Christ was executed due to majority ruleβ¦hence a democracy.
When our Jamestown was being settled it was set up for all to be rewarded the same. They would all farm then share equally. Trouble occurred when some of them became lax and let others do the farming. After a while the ones who continued to farm couldnβt produce enough to feed everyone, thus it was the beginning of βThe Starving Time.β
This in essence is the U.S. Everyone gets a piece of the βpieβ whether you earned it or not. Losers partake of the rewards which at one time only went to the winners. No longer is there an incentive to do better. Several years ago a Florida school gave a reward of pizzas to those who worked hard to achieve the goal of a better grade. Then came the hue and cry from the parents of the losers. βItβs not fair!!β The rewards had to be for all or not to have any rewards. Iβm unable to recall the decision.
This is whatβs known as βThe Dumbing Down of Americaβ.
Yes and yes π
share"Would South Africa be a better place if whites still ran the joint?"
No, the majority of citizens were poor under white rule, also. The system was set-up that way. In order to improve the country, the system needs to be completely dismantled.
If I gave you substandard housing, education, healthcare, etc. then said now the president is black instead of white, your life won't change if you still have substandard housing, education, etc..
"The social architecture formed over more than three centuries of White rule has maintained South Africaβs position as the worldβs most unequal society, according to the Thomas Piketty-backed World Inequality Lab.
Attempts by the now-democratic government to wipe away the legacy of apartheid and colonialism have failed to narrow the imbalance between rich and poor, with 3,500 adults owning more than the poorest 32 million people in the country of 60 million.
During colonialism and structured apartheid from the late 1940s, Black South Africans were largely denied economic opportunities. More than a quarter century of democratic rule has seen the growth of a Black middle class and a Black business and political elite. Yet, most South Africans still suffer from a woeful education system that leaves them ill prepared for jobs, while townships, built for Blacks during apartheid, leave them far away from workplaces."
https://time.com/6087699/south-africa-wealth-gap-unchanged-since-apartheid/
"Crime, poverty, and inequality remain widespread, with about 40% of the total population being unemployed as of 2021, while some 60% of the population lived below the poverty line and a quarter lived below $2.15 a day. South Africa is considered to be one of, if not the most, unequal countries in the world."
Why is anyone making less than $2.15 each day???? Why are 40% unemployed? Why can't housing be built closer to jobs? Who are these rich 3,500 adults? Do they pay taxes? Are they beneficiaries of the apartheid system? If so, should they keep what was taken through because apartheid?
Well it's a shame because they have some of the most outstanding tribal cultures in sub-Saharan Africa. Like the Zulus for example. But the Zulus were criticized by Mandela and the left for allying with the whites.
However in terms of crime and standard of living, are they worse than countries like Nigeria and Kenya?
For Whites-only town Orania:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iB7cF3J72BQ
These racists should return to the Netherlands where they would happier rather than live in a black country with people whom they despise.
I used to debate South Africa with my black roommate in college. The Bantu peoples came from the north at the same time the Boers colonized the coast. They really have as much right to be there as most the blacks. The true indigenous people of South Africa are the San or Bushmen. Neither Bantu nor Boer will return the land to them. It's not even discussed. Lol.
It's not reasonable to expect whites who have lived there for 500 years to leave. Damn, they have more claim to the land than the Ashkenazi do to Israel!
So one little racist town. Big deal. Apartheid has been abolished and most South Africans live in close proximity to the Bantu.
ROTFLMAO! π€£
shareMeh, be realistic. 3 million Boers who have lived in South Africa for 500 years are not going back to The Netherlands.
shareUnlikely that the Netherlands would want the hateful racists to return.
BTW, your ignorance about history is a hoot.
Says the one who thinks the Boers can realistically return to The Netherlands.
Apartheid is over. They have to learn to live together. Your solution is farcical.
Hateful racists don't want to live together which is why they segregated themselves in their for whites-only enclaves.
Maybe if they beg, the Netherlands will take them back.
You gave the example of one tiny town in the hinterlands. The Boers can't be any more racist than white American southerners in the 1960's. People adjust.
shareMy initial comment stated nothing changed since the racist system remains intact. Of course, the hateful racists live in segregated enclaves
https://www.imaginecities.com/research-search/summary/326
https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/oct/21/why-are-south-african-cities-still-segregated-after-apartheid
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NVH7JewfgJg
At least South Africa lead the charge of genocide against racist Israel before the ICJ. Hateful U.S. racists are complicit with Israelβs many war crimes and crimes against humanity.
There is still de facto segregation in the U.S. The LA suburb I live in is like 40% white and 40% Asian and only 3% black. When I was a child in my elementary and high school in 12 years I remember maybe one black kid. Yet 10 miles from me in Compton there are few Asians or whites.
And yes, kudos to South Africa for calling out Israel.
My statements are rhetorical, just so you know. I obviously oppose colonialism and support majority rule.
Still think it's wrongheaded to say the Boers should leave South Africa though.
"There is still de facto segregation in the U.S."
Absolutely! The U.S. racism is systemic and is still intact throughout its institutions. A great book:
"The Color of Law: A Forgotten History of How Our Government Segregated America"
Richard Rothstein
This book explains why segregation has continued and the remedy (which will never happen).
This article is about ALL of Africa, but I would guess that South Africa would be disproportionately richer with its infrastructure...
https://www.unep.org/regions/africa/our-work-africa#:~:text=The%20largest%20reserves%20of%20cobalt,internal%20renewable%20fresh%20water%20source.
Africa is rich in natural resources ranging from arable land, water, oil, natural gas, minerals, forests and wildlife. The continent holds a huge proportion of the worldβs natural resources, both renewables and non-renewables.
"Africa is home to some 30 percent of the worldβs mineral reserves, eight per cent of the worldβs natural Gas and 12 per cent of the worldβs oil reserves. The continent has 40 percent of the worldβs gold and up to 90 percent of its chromium and platinum. The largest reserves of cobalt, diamonds, platinum and uranium in the world are in Africa. It holds 65 per cent of the worldβs arable land and ten percent of the planetβs internal renewable fresh water source."
On a personal note:
"African coffee production makes up 12% of the overall worldwide production of coffee beans."
"About 70 percent of the world's cocoa beans come from four West African countries: Ivory Coast, Ghana, Nigeria and Cameroon."
We're not talking Haiti here...
Hell, I wouldn't even visit my hometown NYC these days, let alone South Africa!
shareStay away! It sounds like you found a really comfortable place to live.
The homelesss, the cost of living, the completely senseless violent crime, migrant squatters and traffic congestion are out of control and that's just in The Bronx, I rarely venture into Manhattan but I doubt it's any better and it's likely worse.
To be fair, a holidaymaker wouldnβt go to The Bronx.
shareThatβs a fair point, but I doubt Manhattan is worth visiting anymore. The fentanyl scourge has hit the entire city hard, these zombies walk right into traffic now while youβre just driving to your job. Itβs insane!
shareItβs been 9 years since I was in NYC. Every time I come over to the States, I notice the homeless problem has increased.
shareNYC is much safer than states with lax gun laws.
https://news.yahoo.com/americans-hopelessly-confused-big-city-110054014.html
Europe and Canada are safer than gun obsessed U.S.
I love the country. The natural beauty there is just stunning.
The violence there is not limited to Western tourists though. My partner's family is there. People are murdered in that country every minute. Women are raped even more often. Sorry to say that I don't think the criminals there target just tourists. Have you ever seen the video of the news reporter getting robbed while live on the air?
My very first night in Joburg, years ago, a woman was screaming nearby. My partner, and the friends we were staying with went to go see what was happening. Of course they took the dogs. I was told to stay put, but that this is sometimes a ruse to get the owners out of the house. If I saw someone hop the wall I should run upstairs, and lock the security gate behind me. Nothing happened to me, but a woman had been raped.
That being said, we have road tripped that entire country. There are certainly places that are worse than others, but with caution, it's a beautiful place. I'd never live there full time, but I certainly will go back.
More and more South Africans are moving to the Netherlands, which probably says enough.
shareYeppers. There are a lot of South Africans here too. I was talking to a friend of mine working in Abu Dhabi and she said she found a South African store, and there are a few members of her team from there as well. We've been trying to get my partner's kids to move here as well as the grandkids, but they are just as stubborn as their father, and just don't want to move.
Cute story....We were taking a taxi in Belize City, and during the conversation my partner asked about the crime in the city. The driver said it was probably similar to any major city where we were from. Partner said, "I'm South African". The driver was like "Oh God! You will be so much safer here!"
I'm not saying that it isn't a violent place. I think it's one of the most violent, if not the most, countries, on this planet, but the beauty really is something. I don't know if I would have felt as "safe" as I did, if I wasn't almost always with a local.
I'm a follower of this YouTuber who is from S. Africa and relocated to Switzerland. She's a multi-talented, interesting and amazing woman. In addition to managing several channels, she's a great artist, has published several true crime books, has been a competitive swimmer and was also an airline pilot at one time. Her S. African accent is always evident and pleasant to listen to: https://grizzlytruecrime.com/
shareIT IS REALLY BEAUTIFUL...I HAVE SEEN MANY WONDERFUL PICTURES OF THE PLACE.
shareBut, if itβs a choice between going to a beautiful place where you might get killed or going to a beautiful place where you probably wonβt - guess which one Iβm going to choose for the next King holiday?
shareLMAO...ABSOLUTELY.
shareKosovo? Darfur?
shareFunnily enough, I was trying to organise a lads weekend in Kiev when the war broke out. I was joking that weβd be holed up in a bar, bombs being dropped all around us and a Sky News team doing a story about a bunch of crazy Brits refusing to leave the war zone until all the beer had ran out π»π€£π
shareSame in the UK.
shareNetherlands is the Africaners country of origin.
shareYouβre not selling it to me, lol.
shareI was there 6 years ago and had a wonderful time. In Capetown, our hotel had a shuttle that took us to places to shop and dine. We were there for 3 nights before going onto our safari and I never felt unsafe.
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