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how to build a BETTER society (no politics please) ((UPDATED))

posted 2 years ago by 123Guy (7841)
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UPDATE:
JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU ALL FOR PARTICIPATING AND NOT GOING DOWN THE USUAL POLITICAL TRAPPINGS. AT THE ROOT, THIS IS A PEOPLE ISSUE, AND IT IS GREAT TO SEE PEOPLE DISCUSSING IT WITH LEVEL HEADS AND NOT TURNING TO POLITICAL RANTING.

This is about society structure - NOT politics. Please leave them out except where absolutely relevant.

so I was driving around america and got to thinking...

at one point, seems like most thought america was the "greatest country in the world". I get that. Not sure what people think now days, but at that time, I guess america did most things right.

DISCLAIMER FOR THOSE NEEDING IT: This is GENERAL DISCUSSION. There are ALWAYS exceptions, always one offs that don't fit, this is about the GENERAL IDEA THAT WORKS FOR MOST, not every little side group. We'll never be able to make absolutely everyone happy. Ever.

If america was considered the best at one time, what is better now?

OR can we compile all the best of the best attributes of a variety of societies, and make THE BEST society functional? Or is it always doomed to rise and fail over and over?

Is there a BETTER country out there now doing more things right, to win the title of GREATEST COUNTRY in the world?

What are the attributes to be the greatest? Zero poverty, total happiness in life?

We are now at a crossroads where things can change fast, robots replacing worker jobs, potential national income, or even ellimination of money or something, I don't know, I'm spitballing.

What do we need to change to create a close to perfect society, or the greatest world?

seems with global communications (like this here) we should be able to, ON PAPER, pull all the puzzle pieces together and make it work right.

[–] Quasimodo (16388) 2 years ago

Free candy for everyone !

[–] 123Guy (7841) 2 years ago

MCFA hats!! Make Candy Free Again

[–] Wint3rFir3 (7386) 2 years ago

Maybe it's idealistic, but I think we need to start with a better education system, one that teaches real world issues, allows for practical application of real world solutions and includes mandatory all expenses paid travel because you can learn a lot about where you're from when you're forced to step outside your country.

Then, once everyone turns 25, they should be awarded a decent house, a decent car, and a substantial amount of money. From there, I think it's up to them to make of life what they will - and if they fail or go broke, then there'll be less of a burden to provide for them because they'll at least have a home to fall back on.

There won't be any financial pressure to buy a house or be provided for by parents or a partner, so family and romantic relationships will look different, the landscape of crime will look completely different, workplaces will have to possess a lot more incentives to attract people in - so in my mind, will be a lot fairer - and people won't feel as stressed because no one will be working to survive; and so on.

[–] jriley555 (8552) 2 years ago

It seems that critical thinking skills, at least here in the states, are lacking. In my admittedly limited experience on-line, I encounter a surplus of folks who have glommed onto an 'ideology' and view the whole world through that necessarily limited lens. There seems to be lacking such important teachable traits/habits as self-examination, a decent regard for inclusion of new & perhaps confounding information, a lack of basic restraint regarding matters about which differences of assessment may readily arise among reasonable people. The over-arching defect, a compulsion to be 'right', an aversion to countenancing reasonable challenges to already acquired views.

There's my rant. I wish we could be more like Canadians perhaps taught like them. But we're not. If we were invaded by them, I would surrender without firing a shot. :)

[–] Wint3rFir3 (7386) 2 years ago

That's true everywhere - I'm from Australia and it's certainly not absent here, but perhaps less so, idk probably due to the different sized populations - but I do see that narrow lens you mentioned a lot more in the Americans I speak to. I don't see Canadians invading the U.S though nor the majority of U.S citizens surrendering without a fight lol

[–] 123Guy (7841) 2 years ago

I love this concept of course... on paper.

But, it comes down to implementing over wishing: how do we buy everyone a house and car? people need to construct houses - and be paid to do it so they can feed their family, so they cant do it free. Also the materials will cost to be gathered and prepped.
Cars are also made by people - designed, created etc. and materials and the robot upkeep.
All expenses.

Maybe we get rid of all money after making robots to do everything: build everything, harvest food, etc, so we can do whatever we feel like.

[–] Wint3rFir3 (7386) 2 years ago

I don't have the fine details down to implement this, I'm just the ideas person in this scenario. I do like robots though.

[–] McQualude (4231) 2 years ago

Teaching critical thinking to the masses is in no influential person's best interest. Marketing, religion, and law, would all crack. The tax code would be rewritten. No politician in office now would get reelected. Many organizations would cease to exist because most sell lies to gain wealth, power and political influence. But yes, it would make the country a better place, I agree.

[–] OnanTheBarbarian (13179) 2 years ago

Increase social fluidity. Put the rich in work camps.

[–] moviechatterer (16326) 2 years ago

A sustainable society would be better.

although compared to the hedonistic , wasteful , dirty , polluting , resource eating party we are enjoying now most would consider it "backward" and not entertain it

... so we're screwed

[–] 123Guy (7841) 2 years ago

You nailed it.

I'd love to go back to living in a cave...
but with a Nintendo

[–] Quasimodo (16388) 2 years ago

Caves are cool...

[–] BillHicksFan (10717) 2 years ago

Sharing great music, movies, humor, literature

[–] [deleted] 2 years ago

people should read legitimate history and not propaganda nonsense.

[–] jriley555 (8552) 2 years ago

Yes indeed.

I'm waiting for Bill O'Reilly's next book : "Killing History"

[–] Quasimodo (16388) 2 years ago

Rain on a tin roof sounds like a drum
We're marching for freedom today, hey !
Turn on your headlights and sound your horn
If people get in the way

Neil Innes - The Protest Song

[–] GlenEllyn (21660) 2 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTTqkdGdv8I

I hope this is true for everyone around the world.

[–] AnubisRaydeen (7897) 2 years ago

People are flawed. Thus society will always be flawed. Not really fixable. Following and enforcing the established rules would be a good start though.