New Jim Morrison Documentary
www.billboard.com/articles/news/9598663/jim-morrison-documentary-jam-inc-gunpowder-sky-exclusive/
I hope no one like Oliver Stone or Martin Scorsese make this, but I don't want some young director who has no idea.. Hopefully there's a director who was around and maybe even seen The Doors who can make this.
I also hope they go to the source -- Jim Morrison. There's a lot of interviews (audio, text, even a little bit of video) to get a better understanding, since many of the books (and of course oliver's shitty movie) are inaccurate, 2nd or 3rd hand, and refuted by those close... Jim's siblings are still alive, and so are John and Robby, so I hope they don't select the flavor-of-the-week "musicians" of today. They did this with a few before, and it seems they're repeating some cliche someone else said.
If they go into the dark side, I hope they do it accurately, instead of referencing events where there's no proof. Like his death. My gosh, I've heard dozens of crazy stories, but never backed with hard information, which doesn't make it wrong, but I'd like someone responsible who understands how quickly bad information gets passed by the masses, which makes it hard to unlearn the bullshit, even after you do read some more credible information.
shareWhat if they agree he was a drunken buffoon?
shareEveryone knew he was an alcoholic, so why belabor it?
shareI was just being a wise-ass quoting Lester Bangs from Almost Famous. Interesting though that Philip Seymour Hoffman (overdose) portrayed Lester Bangs (33) who has a accidental overdose from cold medication talks of Morrison (overdose).
shareDidn't JIM also admit to being or having the SOUL of a CLOWN ???
It actually comes from a Jim Morrison quote:
“I see myself as an intelligent, sensitive human, with the soul of a clown which forces me to blow it at the most important moments”.
About | The Soul Of A Clown
thesoulofaclown.com/about/
Yes, that is a quote I heard on audio.
shareI also hope they go to the source -- Jim Morrison.
Jim's siblings are still alive, and so are John and Robby
Ray died almost a decade ago. He went to UCLA, but I don't think he and Jim had any classes together, but there were mutual friends, and a lot of the students went to the Lucky U to eat.. Ray saw Jim at the beach in July of 1965, and when he heard Jim was writing songs, they formed a band with Ray's brothers, and Ray brought John, who he knew from meditation classes. Ray's brothers quit when they felt like they weren't going anywhere (although, there are demos on YouTube), but luckily, John brought in Robby as a guitar player, who is coming out with his autobiography this fall. I can't wait to read it!
Here's a site with a ton of information (mostly from the 60s) about The Doors, and Jim specifically
jimmorrison.freeforums.net/ - which is part-archive, part-discussion.
Thanks for the link. I clicked this topic hoping to see JIM's baby picture but nothing is there:
https://jimmorrison.freeforums.net/thread/295/jims-baby-pic-parents-beach
His nephew looks like him though or maybe that's his brother ANDY:
https://jimmorrison.freeforums.net/thread/10/photos
Also had no idea that Ray had already passed away!!! And he was also only 74 when he died (here in the US life expectancy is now suppose to be into the 80's).
Also found this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Manzarek
>>In the fall of 1961, Manzarek briefly enrolled at the University of California, Los Angeles School of Law. Unable to acclimatize to the curriculum, he transferred to the Department of Motion Pictures, Television and Radio as a graduate student] before dropping out
>>he re-enrolled in UCLA's graduate film program in 1962, where he received a M.F.A. in cinematography in 1965.[10][11] During this period, he met future wife Dorothy Fujikawa and undergraduate film student Jim Morrison.
which would also seem to indicate JIM already knew RAY before they ran into each other on the beach.
Since I've got copies of "NO ONE HERE GETS OUT ALIVE," JOHN'S BOOK (RIDERS on the STORM), and another book about JIM that I got at the local library sale, it's nice to hear that ROBBY has also written a book as well.
Back to the WIKIPEDIA link again:
>>Forty days after finishing film school, thinking they had gone their separate ways, Manzarek and Morrison met by chance on Venice Beach in California. Morrison said he had written some songs, and Manzarek expressed an interest in hearing them, whereupon Morrison sang rough versions of "Moonlight Drive", "My Eyes Have Seen You" and "Summer's Almost Gone".
>>His memoir, Light My Fire: My Life with the Doors, was published in 1998. The Poet in Exile (2001) is a novel exploring the urban legend that Jim Morrison may have faked his death. Manzarek's second novel
>> In March 2013, Manzarek was diagnosed with a rare cancer called cholangiocarcinoma (bile duct cancer) and traveled to Germany for special treatment. During that time he reconciled with Densmore, and he spoke to Krieger before his death.[36] He also performed a private concert for his doctors and nurses. Manzarek was "feeling better" until it took a turn for the worse according to his manager. On May 20, 2013, Manzarek died at a hospital in Rosenheim, Germany, at the age of 74.
Thanks to your enthusiasm, I found the pictures, downloaded so I could host them, instead of just using another URL, which some are taken down (which you can see for those who used tinychat).
I labeled them individually so you wouldn't have to look all over. I uploaded some more pictures never seen until a few weeks ago. Enjoy!
I surprisingly wasn't too sad because Ray was almost the average age, 78, although Cuba life expectancy is higher (despite 60-yr embargo, endless assassination attempts)
Thanks for posting the BEACH PHOTO. His parents were a very good looking couple. His mom also reminds me of PAM, and it's also a big surprise to see how JIM has that BRIGHT BLOND HAIR as a baby (that later looks dark brown when he's an adult).
Also found this chart which also indicates RAY may have BEATEN the ODDS due to the way this chart says LIFE EXPECTANCY of someone born in 1940 is 70:
https://www.ssa.gov/OACT/TR/2011/lr5a4.html
Ray was born in 39, but for some reason the chart only begins at 1940.
My friend loved that guy. I read some of his shit, and that's what it was. He was too busy trying to sound smart, making comparisons (instead of WRITING), too focused on lyrics and criticizing them (why didn't HE write a song?)..
Then again, I never read critics. I just hate the way they write. They never talk like they do in real life, so it's a bunch of self-masturbation instead of getting to the point. No enthusiasm, because that's "low-class" I guess.
I really like The Doors as a creative and musical band. The Morrison crap I don't care about
I think it's obvious he was off the rails in his personal life but I like the music the four of them came up with.
Sure, I would watch a doc about him, but not breathlessly like I need to know more about him.
I've read so many books about Jim and the Doors, and watched specials and read interviews, and the movie of course, and all of them so contrary. I don't think an official accounting of the lives of these men is even possible.
shareIt's there.. Just get that awful movie out of your head!
If you go here, you'll find anything you're looking for.
jimmorrison.freeforums.net/
“Just get that awful movie out of your head!”
Good advice
Follow the naked Indian.
shareYes that ACCIDENT SCENE on the HIGHWAY back when JIM was still a child ... SPIRITS FLOATING in the BREEZE ... and then one of them LEAPS into JIM.
Before he died JIM also ordered a TRIPTYCH be made that ILLUSTRATES that HIGHWAY:
https://tebreitenbach.com/archives/articles/1970-71-Morrison_letters_O.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jim_Morrison_Triptych
The Jim Morrison Triptych
>>In the fall of 1970, while at college, Breitenbach sent pictures of his surrealistic artwork to Jim Morrison and offered to paint an album cover. Morrison accepted and sent Breitenbach his ideas for the painting, along with two autographed, private editions of his poetry. Morrison liked the finished product and asked if he could use it on an album of poetry he was working on. This was his An American Prayer album published seven years after Morrison's death. Unfortunately, the album’s producers were not aware of Morrison’s intention to use the painting. The existence of this lost painting collaboration came to light decades later, when the artist posted it on his website.[1]
>>Morrison sent the artist these suggestions for the painting, "Try doing a triptych. The left panel depicting a radiant moon-lit beach and an endless stream of young naked couples running silently along the water's edge. On the beach, a tiny infant grins at the universe and around its crib stand several ancient, old people ... The center, a modern city or metropolis of the future at noon, insane with activity ... The last panel, a view through a car windshield at night on a long straight desert highway."[2]
>>Morrison biographer Jerry Hopkins, in a letter to Breitenbach, explained the meaning of the painting: "the beach scene ... is a variation on a dream he told several people he had ... The center would be an extension of his interest in chaos and insanity ... and the final panel refers to a scene from his childhood when he and his father came upon an overturned truck, dead and injured Indians scattered 'on dawn's highway bleeding.' (See the lyric of Peace Frog.")
https://poemanalysis.com/jim-morrison/awake/
>>In Morrison’s poetry, he uses surrealism
https://hellopoetry.com/poem/74008/awake/
Awake
Shake dreams from your hair
My pretty child, my sweet one.
Choose the day and
choose the sign of your day
The day’s divinity
First thing you see.
A vast radiant beach
in a cool jeweled moon
Couples naked race down by it’s quiet side
And we laugh like soft, mad children
Smug in the woolly cotton brains of infancy
The music and voices are all around us.
Choose, they croon, the Ancient Ones
The time has come again
Choose now, they croon,
Beneath the moon
Beside an ancient lake
Enter again the sweet forest
Enter the hot dream
Come with us
Everything is broken up and dances.
Jim Morrison 1943 - 1971
I don't think we need a new documentary. The 100s that already exist are enough. Just another company cashing in on a key member of the 27 club. By they way I was in a Doors cover band and went to his grave.
shareLet them make a hundred more. There's going to be some information that wasn't out there.
The reason they keep making documentaries from people back then is that there aren't any talented/fascinating people out there now who are in the public eye.
They become more fascinating when they die, and die young. See how much Kurt Cobain content exists now.
shareThat's just dumb. Why are people more interesting when they're dead. But you're right, it's a morbid cult mentality the death groupies have. Of the 27 club members I think Kurt was the least worthy. He couldn't even write an original suicide note: "It's better to burn out than to fade away". He had to rip off Neil Young....who is still alive and well by the way!
shareI didn't say I felt that way. I'm just describing the phenomenon that has never changed. There are plenty of talented/fascinating characters today, but people just care again, and care more, once they're gone. And for the latest newbies, more content, like "lost journals" or "missing songs", will be parceled out by the cottage industry run by their estates.
shareHe had to rip off Neil Young....who is still alive and well by the way!
You mean Pong. That was the big video game in the '70s, before they got more and more realistic. I saw Nils perform with Bruce on the Born in the USA tour.
shareDon't remember the name of it, just playing it with NILS who walked over to me and asked me if I'd like to play the game with him. I was also there at the BAR with a bunch of other kids in college who were also fans of FOOS BALL (those other games where you used handles on the side to manipulate the wooden SOCCER PLAYERS in the middle of the table with the soccer field). They also ran a FOOSBALL parlor at that time as well.
https://www.gophersport.com/cmsstatic/img/092/g-90030-foosball-table.jpg
And still Later on I also had another primitive video game -- where you'd break down a wall -- that also one of those PING PONG type of GAMES (if that's what they're called), but also got bored with it and gave it away to my niece and nephew.
Also never saw NILS actually perform in Concert before (except for in videos). But his guitar playing is also pretty impressive in that HURRICANE video, and on NEAL'S "AFTER the GOLD RUSH" album.
How was he when you saw him performing live???
And Even though I was still a kid at the time when JIM performed for us at the LOCAL SKATING RINK, there was also still "a VERY STRANGE VIBE" about him that one was picking up on at that time (as one sat there on the stage just a few feet away from him while watching him that night).
He kind of reminded me of DRACULA who was also my favorite MONSTER in the CHILLER THEATRE films that aired on WEEK END NIGHTS in our area (due to the way JIM was also all dressed up in his BLACK LEATHER PANTS which he'd also recently purchased at that time).
In other words, he was INTRIGUING to watch, but he was also KIND of SPOOKY at the same time, and I'd probably also have RAN AWAY fearing he'd BITE my NECK if he'd come any closer to me.
🧛♂️
That game where you break the wall is Tetris which was an '80s game. So you saw Jim perform? The Dracula analogy is interesting; remember in the movie when they go to meet Andy Warhol and his gang of freaks and Ray says "let's get out of here these people are all vampires." But Jim stayed of course with that vampire lady. I don't know how much of the film was actual fact though considering Oliver Stone made it. I know a lot of the dialogue was purely made up. But I liked the film overall.
I saw Jim perform at Père Lachaise (;-p)
Thanks for letting me know the name of the game where you break the wall.
And YES of course I remember the scene where they meet WARHOL (PLUS JIM also meets his DOPPLEGANGER as well at that party and Andy also gives him the phone so he can CALL GOD).
The VAMPIRE LADY was named NIKO.
She's REAL.
JIM performed at his GRAVE SITE???
INTERESTING.
Sounds just like something that he would do if he could. 😄
I also wrote a POEM about him after looking at a SCENE in a WINDOW near here that has a CRYSTAL CHANDELIER hanging up over top of a BATH TUB (Jim died in a Bath TUB in Paris).
Then he appears and asks me a question -- to which I laughed and handed him a BEER.
Because he also sings a song about how he WOKE UP this MORNING and he got himself a BEER.
I'll try to find the CHANDELIER POEM about him later on and post it here for you.
LET IT ROLL baby ROLL ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE32pvvaDT8
The Doors - Roadhouse Blues, BEST version (live in N.Y. 1970) [music video]
THE FUTURE'S UNCERTAIN and THE END is always NEAR ...
LET it ROLL ...
ALL NIGHT LONG ....
Patti Smith had a good poem about Jim Morrison. Actually it was a dream she had and she made it into a song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QNOPYpIa3Q
https://www.songfacts.com/facts/patti-smith/break-it-up
Thanks for the links. That's really strange how she had that DREAM where JIM is bound to the ROCK like PROMETHEUS. And it's also nice that she SETS him FREE from his BONDAGE.
Can't find the CHANDELIER POEM anymore (got lost when the LAP TOP CRASHED), but it went something like this:
ABOVE A TUB
hangs a CHANDELIER --
that looks like
frozen TEARS
in the rain --
When apparition appears
asking:
How many more will you cry
before you die ???
At which point I laughed,
and handed it a BEER.
That guy is a nutcase. He somehow thinks he can stimulate a discussion about a movie via antagonizing someone with extremely arrogant and outlandish assumptions and allegations. Watching with curious and amused interest in regards to how long he will last here.
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