What was race relations like in the 90s?
Was there a lot of tension in your experience?
shareWe've gotten better, but also worse. People have made everything about race. If you didn't vote for Obama, it's because you were racist. If you don't support BLM, it's because you're racist. There is no more room for nuance anymore. Nowadays people think "agree with me or you're racist."
share> There is no more room for nuance anymore.
Agreed. This is from an earlier era, but anyway ... In the 1970s sitcom "All In The Family," Archie Bunker disliked blacks generally but was thrilled when Sammy Davis Jr. was a guest in his home. He didn't like living next door to the Jeffersons but probably didn't envy them their success when they "moved on up" to a much better dwelling (and their own sitcom), he was just glad they were gone. He didn't like Jews but was shocked and saddened when a Jewish activist he had just become acquainted with was killed in a car bombing. Later in the series he and his wife adopted a young Jewish girl. When two casual acquaintances recognized that he shared some of their views and invited him to their social club, he accepted -- and was absolutely horrified when he found that he had stepped into a KKK meeting.
You couldn't have a character like that on television today.
You couldn't have a character like that on television today.
Nothing is safe from the Fascists in the PC and Woke Mobs! If you disagree with them, they will try to silence
and then DESTROY you!
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Nope, just capitalism in action, avoiding drama. It's been cancelled twice, or 3x?, but they were filming new episodes again last fall. I enjoyed watching, but it was fake as hell and had been getting backlash for it. Live PD is a better show and stole the ratings anyway.
shareI hate reality shows anyway, so I don't really care.
shareWhere did you get that they cancelled Cops because it was showing cops in a positive light? I actually want to know, that sounds made up to me. Not by YOU personally, but it does sound made up.
sharehttps://ew.com/tv/cops-canceled/
shareThat in no way says that cops was canceled because it was showing cops in a positive light though . . .
shareCops was already pulled from the cable channel after nationwide protests of police brutality and racism following the death of George Floyd on May 25.
"because people felt it was showing cops in a positive light"
bullshit, what proof have you got of that?
Look at the link above your comment.
shareI dont think i sguold connect to i domain called ew.com while at work ...
I'll have a look later
I hope its not some right wing extremist site ranting that "Lefties" cancelled cops because of their percieved "defund" thing ,and showing a good light would be bad ....
Entertainment Weekly.
shareI grew up in the 80's and 90's and at no point did i ever think about the colour of someones skin.
I never watched a movie or heard a song and thought oh wow they are black, never once crossed my mind.
These days it is thrown at you all the time. Evil white man and everything is racist.
As an example. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rural-britain-is-racist-says-countryfile-presenter-ellie-harrison-wpk0lc7gn
Basically the countryside is racist, this is where we are at. We have regressed not progressed.
I’ve often wondered if the big oak tree in my garden is waycist?
shareExactly this^
I'm class of 87. Grew up thinking racism was a thing of the past. People of color constituted nearly half of my schools. Never felt nor saw racist treatment. I didn't detect it in society either. Somewhere around the late 90s there seemed to be more people on tv or radio claiming that racism was alive and well. Reality seemed to follow that narrative more and more over the following decades ... but only according to the words coming out of radio and tv.
With maybe 1 or 2 exceptions, I have not personally ever witnessed racism. Always hear-say. I don't disbelieve people's personal accounts but I know that a % of those accounts are simply regular human interaction. Some people don't like each other. It doesn't have to be about race but that is sometimes what it is categorized as. Not getting hired doesn't mean racism.
If racism as it is reported to exist today went away, who would have something to lose? Should those people be trusted?
I also grew up in the kind of environment where nobody I knew expressed racist sentiments or used racist language. But somehow, the schools I went to were 95-100% white, and 98% of the black people in my area lived in the "bad" area and went to the bad local schools there. Because even though nobody was openly racist, somehow POC weren't being hired for the good jobs that'd let them afford houses in the better neighborhoods, or maybe they weren't getting bank loans that'd help them buy houses in white neighborhoods and the "good" school districts. Funny about that, how the liberal town I grew up in had no racist laws on the books and no open expression of racism, but it was still practically segregated.
That's the thing about racism, it can be extremely blatant, but it can also be so subtle that the people who don't want to believe it exists can convince themselves that it doesn't exist.
I find your statement very interesting.
shareThese days it is thrown at you all the time. Evil white man and everything is racist.
Its only thrown at you "all the time" by insecure white boys complaining about seeing brown people.
Its only thrown at you "all the time" by insecure white boys complaining about seeing brown people.
Yes but constant whining about SJWs and Diversity and PC correctness and women in action films
just spreads hate.
A lot of racists probably wouldnt be if they wernt constantly reading things like
"Another brown man in this movie! and the bad guy is white! its not fair on us white guys :( "
There was no tension. The modern trope of people drooling with hate is just propaganda.
On the other hand, communities used to live apart. Reality was more like each community going their own way. Interaction was less frequent, but much more relaxed and friendly than today. There's an English proverb that says "Good fences make good neighbors"*, that would sum it up.
My first serious gf was half-Chinese, we were together for more than a year. I can't remember one single person who talked about her race back then. Nowadays, it'd be a recurrent topic.
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* EDITED It's not an English proverb, but a line in the poem Mending Wall, by Robert Frost.
Agreed. Outside of the 1992 LA Riots, it wasn't something that the media was obsessed with like they are today.
To your good fences make good neighbors point, there's a great book about how three different Chicago neighborhoods thrived in the 1950s because they had strong middle & working classes that helped shaped community morals.
https://www.basicbooks.com/titles/alan-ehrenhalt/the-lost-city/9780465041930/
FYI the Rodney King riots weren't just an LA thing, there were demonstrations all over the country, some of which got violent. I went to work the next morning, and there was a charcoal-colored bloom on the wall of building where I worked, because there had been a protest the night before and someone had thrown something flammable at the building. And then there was the O.J. Simpson trial...
But other than those stories, there was comparatively little about racial issues, racism, or problems with the police in the mass media. Employment was comparatively high and housing cost bubbles were confined to some of the big cities, so I actually saw stories about racial tensions being reduced. Maybe it was true, but now, with the cost of living rising steeply and wages falling below the living level...
> Outside of the 1992 LA Riots, it wasn't something that the media was obsessed with like they are today.
Well, there was also the 1995 OJ Simpson trial. Simpson's attorneys made that all about race, and the media somewhat bought into it.
It’s not a proverb. It’s a line from the poem, “Mending Wall,” by the AMERICAN poet, Robert Frost.
shareBut the protagonist of the poem was quoting someone else, who was presumably re-using an old saying.
shareWith all due respect, Otter, I always presume that, when a poet puts his name on a work, he is its sole author. None needs agree with me, but that’s my position.
shareI have absolutely no idea if Frost coined the phrase, or if that was something his neighbors actually used to say. It's true either way.
share'With all due respect' your opinion is protected because you have an 'Ignore List' longer than the Hudson River
Grow a pair weirdo
Thank you. I edited the original comment to add the info.
shareI'd have to say in the 90's it was actually better than what's been developing lately.
I remember my roommate and I having a discussion on Affirmative Action. We were 180 degrees apart on our opinions about it but the whole conversation was very civil and we went back to our lives. Today people overhearing would be screaming racism and looking to report us to the dean for possible hate crimes.
Everything will be fine once white people accept they are subservient to black people.
shareI think things have gotten better for black people, but maybe not for the right reasons. It seems like people do the right thing for the wrong reasons to feel good for 10 minutes. Also, people nowadays are quick to boycott, and powerful people know this beforehand so they just lie.
With "social" media and video cameras, things can appear worse than they really are. When I hear "Things haven't improved since the 60s" I would urge people actually viewing the archival video, text, audio, etc.
I also think there were more shootings back in the day, but they just weren't recorded. If that one guy didn't purchase that camcorder and film Rodney King's beating, no one would have believed him, and yet, they found Officer COON and his fellow thugs NOT guilty.
Nowhere near as bad as today.
Now there were certainly more white people and less black people on tv, that's for sure. We did have all-black casts on tv shows like "Family Matters" (the great irony was, white viewers loved that show more than black viewers did!), the "Fresh Prince of Bel-Air," "The Parkers," "Moesha," and a few others. But they were not as numerous as tv shows that typically had a mostly white cast, with at least one black person included, sometimes one other minority character in there. We also had black superheroes, such as Blade and Blankman, but nobody made a big deal about it because nobody in power was stoking the fires of hatred between the two groups (unless you count Al Charlatan or Jesse Jackson the fake preacher).
Most of the time there wasn't as much tension compared to the 2010s/2020s. Often kids did that "you don't bother us, we won't bother you" technique when it came to whites and blacks. Unless someone actually brought up racism, then it would get ugly. One thing that hasn't changed one bit are dumb white people from a certain political party "protecting" black kids from "evil white kids," even back then. (This usually happened in Blue States). Reality was, it was very common for white kids to be bullied in the crappier schools by black kids, and the public schools did one of two things:
1.) They punished both kids, citing that bullshit phrase "I don't care whose fault it is!" even though one of the kids had done nothing wrong and was the victim. This often led to the victims not reporting the bullying because they were afraid of being punished unjustly. Plus, you don't need to be an adult to see that the punishments didn't do any good, because the bully would be at it again next week.
2.) They'd punish the victim (usually a white kid) and pretend to punish the black kid, but often they let the little bastards get off Scot free because they were "a poor oppressed little minority."
The only time they did the right thing and sent the little bastard criminals-in-training to juvie was when they had no choice, like when blood was spilled in the hallways.