Women constantly bitch about how all men are shit, when the majority of men are just nice guys who would happily treat women like queens. What they mean is “the small percentage of guys we want are assholes and we pretend we hate it but we don’t because we keep going back to them”
Meanwhile, if a man points this out, or levels any sort of criticism at women they are immediately crucified by both sides - the women obviously don’t like being called out on their backwards psyches and the men are lined up to defend them because they are desperate and think it will help them get laid. It’s really pathetic. You will see plenty of this below in the comments.
oooh waat by who? you'd like Carl Jung's theories on 'The Unconscious Collective' and -'Synchronicity' i dunno if he had a theory on this or just talks about it - but has theory on the Unconscious Collective
"Meanwhile, if a man points this out, or levels any sort of criticism at women they are immediately crucified by both sides - the women obviously don’t like being called out on their backwards psyches"
Wow dude, I couldn't agree more. I love it how women say "it doesn't matter to me if he has money or an expensive car, I only don't want the guy to be an asshole". And then TADAM, they date ONLY guys who fit these criterias. If you dare to call them up on their hypocritical bullshit, you get called an incel or some other degrading thing like that.
I know, not ALL women are like this, I know many women who are fairly true to that and seek guys who respect them. My girlfriend is like that. But, oh boy, how many women I know who fit better in the category you described so well.
I even knew girls who were in abusive relationships constantly complaining about how toxic their relationships were.. and still stayed with their jerks. Okay if it was only about that. NO! When I tried to convince some of them to leave their relationships, they were giving ME shit for "talking out of my ass" and they would tell me to stop and mind my own business.. while THEY were the ones complaining to me personally.
Yeah, women can be full of shit.
"the men are lined up to defend them because they are desperate and think it will help them get laid. It’s really pathetic. You will see plenty of this below in the comments."
Yeah, I totally agree, I know guys like that and I find it SO irritating and pathetic.
Yeah, it’s bizarre and sad how aggressively people in here are trying to deflect from this glaring issue simply because they’re “tired of me posting about women” and turn every bit of criticism on me. Maybe if they acknowledged my well founded point to begin with I wouldn’t keep banging on about it.
Amen brother. Unfortunately, in our times and days, saying something even slightly critical about women is really dangerous. I know, I myself have to deal with this bullshit quite often. Fortunately, most of my friends agree at least partially with me, so I can have civilized discussions with them on the matter.
Lol what's that saying? If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole?
Seems applicable enough!
It’s not woman bashing bullshit, it’s the same issue I’ve been complaining about. Your response writing my articulate posts of legitimate issues off as simply “woman bashing bullshit” immediately proves you aren’t even reading them. You are part of the problem in doing this, it’s exactly what I described in my OP. Any criticism of women is immediately met with harsh condemnation and dismissal.
Has it ever occurred to you that the reason you have difficulty in establishing a meaningful relationship with a woman is that, in your mind, they are the enemy?
I don't know but I do hate the term mansplaining.why do women think its demeaning if a man has to explain something to them.Are women all knowing and never need help understanding anything.I've never taken offence when a woman has had to explain something to me.Its a useless feminist term meant to make men look bad for no reason.
Whoa! Hold on a minute! I think what LauraGrace is trying to say is that, Mansplaining is when a man assumes he needs to explain something to a woman that she already knows.
Men are welcome to explain something to a woman if she needs to have it explained. M’kay? We good?
Andy, what you and Laura are missing, in your Three Stooges routine here, is that it's usually not obvious that the woman already knows the thing that the man is explaining.
In fact, from the way most women converse in everyday life, seeming to be interested only in women stuff, it's not surprising that their menfolk assume they don't know what they're talking about.
And that’s the beauty of communication. By not assuming anything and asking the right questions, it doesn’t take very long to ascertain a person’s understanding of any given topic or situation.
"Whoa! Hold on a minute! I think what LauraGrace is trying to say is that, Mansplaining is when a man assumes he needs to explain something to a woman that she already knows."
Ok, so just to make sure we’re all on the same page here. What LauraGrace is trying to say is that, Mansplaining is when a man assumes he needs to explain something to a woman that she already knows.
Men are welcome to explain something to a woman if she needs to have it explained.
I'm very grateful for your explaining to me what LauraGrace was really trying to say. It was so unclear to me I hadn't a clue! What would we do without you?
Ok, imagine a really, really big circle. Inside of that is all the important and cool stuff that guys know about. Now, imagine a much, much smaller circle next to it. That’ll be all the terribly unimportant stuff that girls think about.
Also, at no point (and I cannot stress this enough) does either circle touch or overlap the other one. And that is how the world works.
*Sigh* (takes glasses off and holds bridge of nose between thumb and forefinger whilst looking down). You see, what LauraGrace is trying to say, is that Mansplaining is when a man assumes he needs to explain something to a woman that she already knows.
The difference with womansplaining is that it's always done with a sarcastic expression and droll tone of voice, and a giggle to their female friends standing near. All the better to deflate the man, because it's a tenet of faith among women that men always need deflating.
Yes, I think the reason we don't hear about it is because men don't complain about it.
In fact, when a woman takes a man to task for something that is usually her job, men usually retire graciously and admit their mistake. Men don't mind admitting that they aren't good at "women things". (Well, most men don't anyway. Fewer and fewer in this generation.)
Well I care about the way someone speaks to me. I don't like the way you speak to me. And don't call me Laura. That is for friends and people I have established a relationship with. You over step your bounds. Speak to me with dignity and respect or don't speak to me at all.
Okay, that's it. You want to keep it going? No thanks, you can do that all by yourself.
I've offered one apology to you and it obviously was rejected as not good enough for you. I use your christian name because in forums I think that's a good way to show friendliness. I responded to your remark on my post-edit by answering civilly and without anger.
You do realise that you're behaving "just like a woman", with this post? You apparently enjoy keeping a conflict going, well after all attempts have been made to defuse it.
Not smart, dmac. What I said; 'I'll take the second option', was the last line in my post. See, that made it the last reply. I'm sure Laura understands that, if you don't.
Don't know why you want to stir up a closed conversation.
Sigh... She offered two options; "Speak to me with dignity and respect or don't speak to me at all."
I said I'll take the second option.
That was not "asking a question", it was making a declarative statement. Very simple exchange which you don't seem to understand.
Now, drop it. Is that clear enough?
EDIT: You do realise that "framing a sentence with "You do realise that..." is not the same as "Do you realise that..." the first one is an affirmative, not a question. The custom is to add a question mark at the end to emphasise the word "realise". Get it?
No, you took another shot in the form of a question that went straight back to the initial conflict, then said...
"I think I'll take the second option."
Why pretend you didn't make sure to get your "just like a woman" shot in first? As we both can see above, I quoted this question of yours initially -- as I said -- so I understand all too well.
If you had only made the last comment, I would not have responded. But you became a stereotype while trying to point one out. It's almost as if both sexes do a lot of the same. You didn't drop it before making sure to go right back to where it hurts first. Read your own words.
Of course I made sure to get my "just like a woman" in first! It's what I meant! I said it right before I said I'll take the second option, because it was the qualifier for why I was taking the second option. You're obviously having trouble analysing sentences.
I'm having no trouble at all. Why play dumb before your edit as though you didn't see a question anywhere? I quoted your question but you thought I was talking about your last line? Why? What I quoted is right there in front of your eyes.
And you can't claim some high ground of only dropping it when you went right back to the sore spot before you did. You continued it with a question, answered for her, then closed it. Should I say "just like a ____" do to that? "Last word" or something? You couldn't let her comment be without going there first. You continued by claiming that she was continuing before throwing another grenade for good measure. "I think I'll take the second option" is sufficient if your only goal is to drop the volley as you claimed. All that came before -- including the swipe -- qualifies as "continuing". Like you just said, "I made sure" FIRST. You pretended like you were leaving her to stew over it while being oblivious to the fact that you were in the middle of doing the same in response. "Okay, that's it"? "No thanks"? Right. That wasn't it at all. Read your own grumblings just after you declared you were leaving her to do that all on her own.
I wasn't questioning your gender. I'm only talking about ascribing a certain behavior to women only. And in this case, a behavior that Popcorny is clearly criticizing. I found that rich since Popcorny is doing that same thing in his reply.
Hey mac, I've tried twice, in both your cases, to end this discussion. But you, like Laura, just can't accept that. You, by repeatedly nit-picking paragraphs that you don't grasp; and she by correcting me on every minuscule typing error she can find. You're both becoming pretty pathetic.
Of course. It ends when you say it does. Just like a ____
Take another shot first then claim it's closed -- but you haven't actually dropped it, have you? You keep replying with another shot before declaring yet another closure. You are what you decry.
Okay, that's it. You're clearly wrong -- but I don't want to continue. I hate people who make commandments and who always feel the need to be right! I hate all this repetition. I hate all this repetition. So I want YOU to drop it NOW! And remember, I win b/c I've ended this my way! Geez, I can't believe you kept this going. STOP!
Well, maybe that, but I think it's also the old "chivalry" thing. It's still alive, although only just. And it'll probably stay alive as long as women still hold the balance of power in the bedroom.
That is, unless the feminisation of men becomes so complete that the cradle will be rocked only by male hands, while the mother of its contents will be out fulfilling herself...
"I understand it but I do think there exists a womansplaining phenomenon as well."
There is. There is peoplesplaining too. Really it's only about people, be they men or women, assuming someone doesn't know about a given topic, without first bothering to find out, and then proceeding to splain them.
It's because, traditionally, men have been much more guilty of this than women. For a long time "conventional wisdom" was men are generally smarter than women. Women weren't allowed to go to college, etc., and girls were actually advised to play dumb, should they be so unfortunate as to actually be smart, because men found smart women unattractive.
Even now we've still got men like Popcorny, who think what women are knowledgeable about is only trivial "womanly things."
So if you're a woman and have been treated repeatedly throughout your life as though you're ignorant at best and stupid at worst, it's going to be more annoying than if you hadn't and only occasionally been womansplained.
But I think the women speaking about that now have not experienced that level. I don't think the term was popularized by women who weren't allowed to go to college, etc. It's as if it's been developed by a more recent generation who thinks that what they experience is on the same level as what grandma experienced. Depending on the source, the reference is no older than 2008 but became popular much more recently. I understand the practice pre-dates that by a lot -- but the meme is thrown around by much younger women. It seems the outrage has been adopted by women who have not suffered nearly to the level you're describing.
And I don't think there's a "womansplaining" b/c men are not "real men" if they complain about such things. Many women and many other men will point that out if you dare -- so I think that version is traditionally underreported. And not go off to other areas, but I think that phenomenon across the board leaves the impression that men have much less to validly complain about than they really do.
Right, women today haven't been barred from going to college and so on, and things have thankfully progressed from that. So anyone who's displaying the level of outrage today as though nothing has changed is overreacting.
But, societal attitudes, particularly those that have been in place for hundreds if not thousands of years, change slowly and gradually, and a good portion resist it. This could be about racism, sexism, or the acceptance/rejection of gay people.
These attitudes and beliefs get handed down from one generation to the next, usually diluted from one generation to the next, but are still there, although usually (hopefully) in more subtle forms.
With the term mansplaining you have multiple current generations responding to it, although a name wasn't put to it until 2008 (give or take). Many have experienced it, which is why they've responded to it, although some, particularly of younger generations, probably are mistaking it when really it's peoplesplaining and, again, overreacting.
If you define man or womansplaining as defined as related to what's traditionally men's or women's domain, what's considered women's domain is much smaller than men's (see AndyKing's Venn diagram in this thread), and generally considered less important. A man (unless he's a chef or a home cook) isn't likely to be offended by a woman explaining to him how to cook. Or a woman (unless she's a mechanic) be offended by a man explaining to her how to fix a car.
Given these factors, this is, IMO, why mansplaining became a thing, while womansplaining hasn't. I'm not saying men don't have any reason to complain about women. That's a different kettle of fish.
From what I've read, womansplaining only came into being as a parallel retort to mansplaining. Speaking for myself, it's more about the assumption and the perceived desire for counsel rather than the specific subject. It's as if I proclaimed my ignorance and begged for answers to a question I had not asked. In most cases, I had not said a word before I received instruction on the subject. As I said, I usually play it off with sarcasm b/c I think it's a less than major offense. But if you're oblivious to that in yourself yet join in the growing din of protest -- as though it's finally been outed as an exclusively male practice -- you're doing it wrong. I think the younger generation is guilty of that as well as attributing many negative human tendencies to men only.