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Writing went down hill in season 2 (Spoilers)
watched the final few EPs out of curiosity
Did they drop Penny altogether?
Cancelled
I think its great that their bringing Chad back
As much as i like Rip ..
disappointing
Its hard to be invested in the Beth and Jamie fued
dissapointing finale (Spoiler)
What happens when ...
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Loads of people gave statements about weinsteins actions. Things he did. Things he said. A lot of people coming forward showing a very long pattern of abuse and toxic behavior. Based on the over whelming accounts and accusers i can safely say Weinstien was a piece of shit because of the evidence.
There's no evidence with Whedon. Just accusations. In comparison 3 people from 2 sets have come forward with extremely vague accusations about supposed toxic behavior. These again vague accusations are isolated to 2 sets and 3 actors. If i'm to believe Whedon is a toxic piece of shit then show me a pattern. Show me actual evidence. You can't because the accusers have provided none. At least not enough to make me believe that he is the extreme monster they claim he is.
I wouldn't mind erasing this show from my memory. The only good thing to come out of it is it introduced 2 great characters in Spock and Pike giving us the far superior Strange new worlds..
But he didn't go up to her. You make it sound like he was creepily stalking her. These jokes were made in the context of co workers in a scene together. He wasn't following her around shoving the jokes down her throat.
Constantly going up to the same person?. The jokes were made on set during scenes. He wasn't going up to her he was working with her. And he probably made the same types of jokes with his other co stars.
Her allegations, and i can't emphasize this enough, are based on jokes. Dirty sexualized jokes but just jokes. Dushku has stated that she was molested as a child on the set of True lies. So her being overly offended by his brand of humor may have more to do with her than him.
One specific action or thing he said that would be considered so bad that he must be cancelled. anything. These very few complaining actors are just throwing words like toxic work environment and harassment around but they aren't stating any specific incidents to back it up. Tell me specifics. I've heard of no incident so terrible that it would lead me to believe that he is the disgusting monster hes being painted as.
Targeting her with what?. Making sexualized jokes that she found offensive. She was awarded 9.5 million because she claimed she was written off the show for the allegations she made. It was awarded for writing her out not allegations.
They wanted her out because they considered her the problem. The cast and crew stood behind Weatherly and carried on with the show. Incidentally Dushku hasn't done anything since The Bull. Maybe because no one wants to work with an actress that they have to walk on egg shells around when telling a joke. Weatherly on the other hand is about to start a new show with his female NCIS co star.
Whats more likely. That out of all the beautiful co stars Weatherly worked with he for some reason singled Dushku out and decided he would make sexualized jokes with her. Or that his sense of humor has always been what it is and one overly sensitive actress took offense.
Continued to do what?. Make dirty or sexualized jokes. Not liking someones sense of humor is not assault or harassment. And supposedly Weatherly made these jokes on set while filming like the white van incident so people were around. No one else complained because they were harmless jokes.
Yes but Toxic how. Dushku thought an innocent dirty joke was toxic so toxic can mean different things to different people. Where are the facts. They keep throwing the word toxic around but they don't produce any factual incidents to back it up.
Nathan Fillion defended Whedon well after Carpenter made her accusations. And all the actors on Firefly have said they had a good working relationship with Whedon. So if Whedon is such a terrible person where was that toxicity on the Firefly set. Does he have a magic switch that lets him turn the supposed toxicity on and off at will.
Specifically what i heard was they were in a scene together involving a white van i believe and he made some kind of rape van joke. Making a dirty or sexual joke is not a verbal assault. And his female co stars from The Bull and NCIS all stood up for him and backed up his character.
"I haven't ever had any boss I've had back me up against a wall, but certainly not a writer/director, so I frankly don't care what the dispute was over, nothing about it indicates it was warranted."
Marsters himself didn't think it was a big deal or he would have complained. Yet no accusations from him.
"Since then, loads of people he's worked with have either backed up the complaints or come out to support those making them,"
I haven't heard a single person back up any complaints. Just people coming forward to support those making them. And honestly what is there to back up. Again all the complaints are extremely vague. No one has described specific horrible things he said or did in detail. So because of #Metoo i have to blindly believe what the accuser says with out having any factual data to back it up.
"not to mention that a lot of people were making subtle complaints along the way and talking around the issues he had without naming names. Surely, if he's not as bad as everyone says, he'd have some current defenders, no?"
What people?. What subtle complaints?. More vagueness. Nathan Fillion talked about Whedon on Rosenbaums podcast. He said he enjoyed working with Whedon and he would gladly work with him again if given the opportunity.
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