you would have recognized it as a question instead of an opinion.
You 'merely question' whether sex and gender are not always the same? Even with words like "people keep saying that "gender is not the same as sex" But virtually every single person I've ever heard say that typically don't really believe it themselves. Nearly all attempts by genderqueer people to identify as the "man or woman" genders have been a way to pretend the "male or female" sexes."? I see.
Why do they call male/female "genders" at all? Why do they need genders to have the same names as sexes? If genders and sexes are different as you say, why not give genders any other name, except male or female?
There are many gender identities and names, including non-binary, genderqueer, agender, and bigender. (Most people are born cisgender.) Here your question betrays an unfortunate lack of understanding about gender distinctions.
Answer the question.
lol Which one this time? But no matter, I am leaving you to it after this. We have already agreed that one can have an accurate body weight and an internalized body weight, and that as you said [ 'a person's power, privilege, and opportunities in a society, a person's sense of identity, rights, and possibilities'] can be affected by it. [One] can have an accurate body weight and an internalized body weight, and that all that stuff .. can be applied to my internalized weight." so contrary to your claim, the truth and value given either to internalised gender, or weight, is not only just relevant to the individual, but also to institutions and people around him or her. That is if in a fat person a thin person is trying to get out, and one would feel happier transitioning to a new weight and size, then medicine and science can help.
When someone accused you for using a strawman, and you don't deny it, that's your cue to stop using it, and address the actual analogy they gave you.
The analogy you gave was about the supposedly comparable idea of internalised weight and I gave my answer already.
(of asking if it "was not valid or real", as this is something you claim of the experience of others, and not whether it matters). I gave my answer
So your own internalised gender identity is 'true and valid', even when you deny this privilege of others? You only answered that it 'matters' earlier which as pointed out, is not the same at all. Evasion noted.
What matters is OBJECTIVE MATERIAL REALITY. That is what gives ANYTHING validity. If I identify as male, then the reality of me being male is what makes it valid.
Thank you for your opinion. However the 'objective reality' is that many have gender dysphoria, and medicine takes this as, objectively, perfectly valid and true in itself. The reality is that, telling you the obvious for the last time, one can change one's gender but not one's sex, since objectively, they can be considered separately and one is immutable, the other not. The objective reality is that social conventions apply with regards to considerations of gender. I should not have to keep repeating this - and won't anymore since I feel you are just being obtuse.
If anybody else identifies as male, being male makes it valid.
By the same logic then, identifying as female does not validate being male. See how it works? And once again you are just offering opinions in the face of what the common medical view is and how social convention works.
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arcticdragon (591)
7 days ago
"people keep saying that "gender is not the same as sex" But virtually every single person I've ever heard say that typically don't really believe it themselves. Nearly all attempts by genderqueer people to identify as the "man or woman" genders have been a way to pretend the "male or female" sexes."? I see.
Well, it's true. And until you answer my question, it's still waiting to be unproven.
There are many gender identities and names, including non-binary, genderqueer, agender, and bigender. (Most people are born cisgender.) Here your question betrays an unfortunate lack of understanding about gender distinctions.
You still didn't answer the question.
Why do they call
male/female "genders" at all? Why not call THOSE two "genders" something else, instead of male and female?
lol Which one this time? But no matter, I am leaving you to it after this. We have already agreed that one can have an accurate body weight and an internalized body weight.................
The analogy you gave was about the supposedly comparable idea of internalised weight and I gave my answer already.
You're still just dodging my actual analogy.
It's so damn simple. I'm skinny, I internalize being obese. AM I OBESE? Yes or no?
'objective reality' is that many have gender dysphoria, and medicine takes this as, objectively, perfectly valid and true in itself.
one can change one's gender but not one's sex, since objectively, they can be considered separately and one is immutable, the other not.
I should not have to keep repeating this - and won't anymore since I feel you are just being obtuse.
Speaking of repeating and being obtuse, you're still not answering my previous questions. Do you know how important those are to validate your "opinions", as you seem to like to call most things?
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filmflaneur (3014)
7 days ago
I've ever heard say that typically don't really believe it themselves. Well, it's true
Thank you for your purely anecdotal evidence. To which I can just easily point (through personal experience, my inevitable exposure to transgender culture) to people who honestly do believe it.
Why do they call male/female "genders" at all? Why not call THOSE two "genders" something else, instead of male and female?
The word "gender" originally meant "type" or "kind" in Latin and French, but evolved to encompass social, cultural, and psychological aspects
beyond biological sex, including gender identity and expression. I hope that helps.
I helpfully listed a range of different genders for your information a while back which exists, no what the U S Govt now decrees. Perhaps you have been away so long you have forgotten.
I internalize being obese. AM I OBESE? Yes or no?
Yes; if you are obese you are obese - but obesity is not a social convention like gender. There are people who have a distorted body image re: being fat, even when they are skinny, and may experience a condition called body dysmorphic disorder (BDD), where they are preoccupied with perceived flaws in their appearance, leading to anxiety and distress. In some cases a skinny person may still think they are too fat for instance and develop an eating disorder. They need to transition to a more positive body image before being cured. But, good try.
"opinions", as you seem to like to call most things
In your case, claims which do not reflect the common understandings of modern medicine must always remain unqualified (and, dare I say, somewhat old fashioned) opinions rather than facts.
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