Weather manipulation articles and The Internet Archive - Politics Discussion

[–] TheHardSell (1714) 2 months ago

https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1844122061972623481

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[–] B1cKsurN (17425) 2 months ago

Hurricanes require water to strengthen....it cannot happen over land that isn't fucking natural.

Also, the images in that video are old...I've seen them before lol.

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[–] Gd5150 (11750) a month ago

Post is gone. Must have been over target

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[–] tvfan (12745) 2 months ago

Ah, yes, I’m not the only one that has noticed some articles and links going missing/removed/changed within hours or days of posting them.

The first time I noticed was last year and I started archiving things online (archive.ph) and offline (SingleFile). Apparently, MC is also among the “monitored” sites.

I wouldn’t be surprised if some of the incessant beggars of “evidence and sources” are establishment shills that have something to do with it.

Anytime a post anywhere gains legs, popularity or attention, they tend to do at least two things, remove/censor it and/or create fact checkers to refute them.

This is their apparent desperation to cover and gaslight the truth.

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[–] maixiu (2220) 2 months ago

Related to that is the shocking state of search engines these days. Anyone old enough to have been online 20 years ago will remember that a site like Google gave wildly disparate results to just about any query. Today, the same exactingly curated results turn up every single time. Alternative views are completely buried and inaccessible.

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[–] B1cKsurN (17425) 2 months ago

I stopped using Google years ago. I switch between DuckDuckGo and Brave Search depending on what I'm looking for.

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[–] B1cKsurN (17425) 2 months ago

I consider changing the URL of a link and not adding a direct redirect to the new location lying by omission. Kind of like when they blatantly print false headlines, and retract them 3 days later on the back page.

If/when the Wayback machine comes back online, we'll know for sure what has been removed.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 months ago

You really do suffer from brainrot. The URL was changed at least 3 years ago according to the wayback machine.

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[–] tvfan (12745) 2 months ago

How could it have changed 3 years ago when he accessed it recently?

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 months ago

The page he's referring to is this: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1566898/Scientists-a-step-closer-to-steering-hurricanes.html

The Telegraph didn't remove the article. They changed its url. And according to archive links, they did so many years (at least 3 years) ago as screengrabs of the link he posted link to the same 404 page.

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[–] tvfan (12745) 2 months ago

Does the 404 page provide a link to the new url?

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 months ago

No. But again, it's been changed for 3 years. The change was likely a redesign of their website that impacted every single old URL.

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[–] Bubbathegut (18054) 2 months ago

Why was the information deleted then?

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[–] tvfan (12745) 2 months ago

Exactly. And if it was only a change, they would have posted a link to the new url.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 months ago

You are an idiot, and clearly read nothing of what I said. No information was deleted. The URL was changed about 3+ years ago.

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[–] Bubbathegut (18054) 2 months ago

Whats the new URL?

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 months ago

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1566898/Scientists-a-step-closer-to-steering-hurricanes.html

I posted it here. https://moviechat.org/bd0000082/Politics/670708600248a6675b260aff/Weather-manipulation-articles-and-The-Internet-Archive?reply=67072ad50248a6675b260bfb

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[–] Bubbathegut (18054) 2 months ago

Ok thanks, its seems that scientists have perfected the ability to create and control hurricanes now. Why do they blame climate change when its human caused?

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 months ago

Are you of the opinion that because it is possible to theoretically influence hurricanes (as a means to weaken them) that therefore all hurricanes that have emerged say, post-2010 were deliberately created and controlled?

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[–] Bubbathegut (18054) 2 months ago

Based on the facts, I would say its theoretically possible to control the weather.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 months ago

Influence. And that's quite a turn from creating category 5 hurricanes and smashing them into states.

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[–] Bubbathegut (18054) 2 months ago

There is no evidence it was Cat 5.

Hurricane Milton made landfall Wednesday night as a "dangerous Category 3" storm near Siesta Key, on Florida's central west coast, the National Hurricane Center said. Siesta Key is a barrier island located just south of Sarasota. Milton had sustained winds of 120 mph at landfall, but its strength diminished to Category 1 as it moved inland across the state.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 months ago

My point remains unchanged.

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[–] Bubbathegut (18054) 2 months ago

So does mine. But yours is wrong.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 months ago

Wrong about it being a category 5?

How is my point otherwise wrong?

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[–] Bubbathegut (18054) 2 months ago

How was it wrong to be a category 3?

How is it not wrong?

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 months ago

The more important point is that there's zero evidence that the hurricane was created deliberately.

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[–] Bubbathegut (18054) 2 months ago

Can you provide this evidence please?

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 months ago

You made the claim. You back it up. If I say that a teapot is orbiting Jupiter, is the onus on you to somehow disprove that?

Both hurricanes that hit Florida are well understood, and entirely expected natural weather events that could happen.

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[–] tvfan (12745) 2 months ago

"If I say that a teapot is orbiting Jupiter, is the onus on you to somehow disprove that?"

Simple, teapots don’t orbit Jupiter or any other celestial objects; never has and never will unless someone manufactures a spacecraft in the shape of a teacup.

Storms and Hurricanes have been seeded and steered for decades.

Deny it all you want and gaslight about it all day, it doesn’t change the facts.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 months ago

>Simple, teapots don’t orbit Jupiter or any other celestial objects; never has and never will unless someone manufactures a spacecraft in the shape of a teacup.

And how do you know this yourself?

>Storms and Hurricanes have been seeded and steered for decades.

No. This is a claim you've made that has zero evidence behind it. Provide evidence that "storms and hurricanes have been seeded and steered for decades"

Or are you going to run away like the cowardly little bitch you always are?

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[–] Bubbathegut (18054) 2 months ago

You made a claim as well. Please tell everyone the facts on this.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 months ago

What claim? That hurricanes happen? That they happen yearly and have formed in the gulf many times before?

That the meteorological history of Hurricane Milton is publicly avaliable: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Milton#Meteorological_history

Where is your evidence that it was deliberately created by the government? Back it up.

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[–] Bubbathegut (18054) 2 months ago

Thats not evidence, thats just a random website. Please explain why democrats are controlling the weather so they can rig the election.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 months ago

>Please explain why democrats are controlling the weather so they can rig the election.

They aren't controlling the weather. There's no evidence for this claim. This is a false premise from you.

But I see you're devolving into behaving like a petulant little child as usual.

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[–] B1cKsurN (17425) 2 months ago

Why do they blame climate change when the strongest hurricanes on record happened in the late 1800s/early 1900s before cars and cow farts?

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 months ago

What hurricanes are you referring to here? Some of the worst recorded hurricanes are 21st century.

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[–] Bubbathegut (18054) 2 months ago

Some of the worst hurricanes also happened before people lived in North America. Was climate change to blame then?

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 months ago

No. Not sure what this has to do with anything. Climate change is not responsible for everything and no-one has ever claimed that it is.

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[–] Bubbathegut (18054) 2 months ago

Climate change is responsible for the ice sheet covering N. America to melt and recede. Now democrats are using climate change as an excuse to hijack the weather so they can hijack the election.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 months ago

What the fuck are you talking about? Zero evidence provided as usual for your complete bullshit claims.

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[–] Melton (4486) a month ago

Normal person: the sky is blue

Skavau: Souce? SOURCE!?

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[–] Skavau (15993) a month ago

You think the claim that the Democrats are creating hurricanes and launching them at Florida is somehow so obvious, so self-evident that it amounts to the same as claiming the sky is blue and thus zero elaboration or evidence should be expected?

Do you even hear yourself?

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[–] Melton (4486) a month ago

SOURCE!?

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[–] Skavau (15993) a month ago

Source for what? What you've just said above? The claim that the democrats can somehow, at will, just cause hurricanes is inherently absurd and obviously requires a high level of evidence to back up.

Do you just assume that anything that is negative against liberals/democrats/progressives no matter how utterly absurd is automatically true without question? Because it seems like you do.

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[–] Melton (4486) a month ago

I await your evidence for this

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[–] Skavau (15993) a month ago

So what were you referring to with your "sky is blue" analogy then? What have I denied that is so obvious then?

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[–] Melton (4486) a month ago

Evidence or GTFO

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[–] Skavau (15993) a month ago

Evidence for what?

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[–] Melton (4486) a month ago

SOURCE!?

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[–] Skavau (15993) a month ago

So back to just behaving like a pathetic little child.

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[–] Melton (4486) a month ago

Source?

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[–] Skavau (15993) a month ago

You know, I've been cautioned by the mods for spamming the same word in replies before.

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[–] Melton (4486) a month ago

Here comes the predictable censorship threat from Skavau - this site’s worst Little Hitler 👆🏻

Now stop dodging. Source??

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[–] Skavau (15993) a month ago

If I wanted to report you, I'd have just reported you without telling you about the anti-spam rule that seems to have been acted upon a few times here.

Now, again, "source" for what? You haven't even told me what you're asking for. You're just behaving as usual like an obsessed child.

Do you constantly think about me every moment of your life? Do you count the minutes before you can come back to your PC and check on my activity here?

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[–] Melton (4486) a month ago

Your shitty censorship threat is utterly transparent, ya nasty Little Hitler.

Now stop dodging. Source??

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[–] Skavau (15993) a month ago

>Your shitty censorship threat is utterly transparent, ya nasty Little Hitler.

If I'm Hitler for warning you about a rule (unstated specifically on here) then what does that make the moderators who enforce it?

The cognitive dissonance from you in accusing me of being Hitler for noting rule violations but apparently the mods aren't for enforcing them. Yet again, as I've said, all that you care about is that I don't bend the knee for Trump. That's all you care about in anyone.

>Now stop dodging. Source??

Source for what? That a hurricane happened?

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[–] B1cKsurN (17425) 2 months ago

The URL did not change until yesterday.

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[–] tvfan (12745) 2 months ago

I figured as much. The Brit is coming up with gaslighting excuses as usual.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 months ago

B1cKsurN is either lying to you, or is a moron.

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[–] tvfan (12745) 2 months ago

The OP is correct, the site has been hacked due to a DDOS attack. https://x.com/internetarchive/status/1844342640260866528

The link was there until recently, so it could not have changed 3 years ago.

Also, if it was only changed, they would have auto-redirected to the link or provided the new url, they didn't, they deleted it.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 months ago

Sites get DDOsed all the time. There's no reason to think the attack was to do with this, nor could it. They restored the data.

>The link was there until recently, so it could not have changed 3 years ago.

No, it wasn't. There's no evidence for this. This is just an outright fucking lie.

>Also, if it was only changed, they would have auto-redirected to the link or provided the new url, they didn't, they deleted it.

Many news sites do not do this. I literally gave an archive link showing this:

https://web.archive.org/web/20240507191557/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/10/21/wstorm121.xml

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[–] tvfan (12745) 2 months ago

"Many news sites do not do this."

Only when it's deleted, regardless if they bring it back using a different link.

If their intention and plan was to change it, they would have auto-redirect or posted the new link.

The bottom line is that the link was there recently and next day it was not.

You're pulling at straws with excuses that don't fit.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 months ago

>Only when it's deleted, regardless if they bring it back using a different link.

>If their intention and plan was to change it, they would have auto-redirect or posted the new link.

You're making a ton of assumptions here. That link has been a dead link, and changed for several years at least.

>The bottom line is that the link was there recently and next day it was not.

No, it wasn't. This is just an outright fucking lie.

>You're pulling at straws with excuses that don't fit.

Excuses for what exactly? What the fuck are you blabbering about?

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[–] B1cKsurN (17425) 2 months ago

It's still down, even the "We're Down" page is down!

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[–] B1cKsurN (17425) 2 months ago

Not to mention they can add in some text that it was moved "3 years ago" and you either choose to accept that or you don't.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 months ago

There's no text added. Do you even know how archive.org works? I looked up the URL you provided in your OP on archive.org and found multiple timestamped snapshots from 2023, 2022, 2021. All of them lead to a dead URL.

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[–] tvfan (12745) 2 months ago

"All of them lead to a dead URL."

Because they were recently removed.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 months ago

No, they weren't. I am talking about archived links from 2023, 2022, 2021 showing the same "page not found" response.

You continue to be a fucking moron.

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[–] tvfan (12745) 2 months ago

Yes, those were recently removed.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 months ago

No, they weren't. Do you even know how archive.org works? People submit screenshots of webpages to memoralise them. The page referred to in the OP of this thread is referring to a webpage that has been timestamped dozens of times since 2020. You are making shit up.

You are a piece of shit compulsive liar.

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[–] tvfan (12745) 2 months ago

Did you access the link before the OP created this post? Yes or No?

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 months ago

I personally didn't, no. But I can use archive.org to see when it was timestamped.

Unfortunately, it's down right now due to ongoing hacking, but you can check the history of urls using their website. That's kind of what they are.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 months ago

No. This is an outright lie. Archive.org data confirms that the URL changed 3 years ago (along with the urls with all older articles, most likely).

You are a lying piece of shit.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 months ago

>https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/10/21/wstorm121.xml
This article on steering hurricanes was available on Monday, and gone Tuesday morning.

This is bullshit. I just typed in that url to archive.org. The last snapshot of that page was taken on May the 7th 2024. And turns out that it was unavailable then:

https://web.archive.org/web/20240507191557/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/10/21/wstorm121.xml

What has actually happened, genius, is that the URL has changed:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1566898/Scientists-a-step-closer-to-steering-hurricanes.html

So no article has been removed.

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[–] parkerbot (9089) 2 months ago

I read that the library had most of it good books removed before it burnt.

Looks like that what we need to do.

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[–] ProgsReturn (2078) 2 months ago

It's actually against the Geneva convention to weaponize the weather.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_Modification_Convention

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[–] tvfan (12745) 2 months ago

In most cases, laws that prohibit something are broken 99% of the time.

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[–] ProgsReturn (2078) 2 months ago

Sadly true. And most of them are broken by Israel.

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[–] B1cKsurN (17425) 2 months ago

USA did it during Vietnam flooding the VC tunnels with cloud seeding.

We totally did it back then, but we would NeVeR dO It aGaIn! 😵🥴😜

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[–] moviechatterer (15643) a month ago

Today, the whole Internet Archive site has been hacked and it's gone. They overplayed their hands with this hurricane.

So , does this mean that as well as the weather , and a host of other stuff , them damn commies also control The Internet Archive?

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