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Tonya Harding was no skinny-minnie to begin with, in real life. In real life, too, she was short, husky and quite muscular, with muscular legs.
I agree with you, brux, and the whole idea of this movie revolts me just as much. I, too, think this whole story is rather disgusts me, and the fact that Tonya Harding was not only involved in the masterminding and planning of this whole sordid attack on Nancy Kerrigan, which resulted in a potentially crippling physical injury to a rival figure-skating competitor, but got out of going to jail by admitting to having co-conspired to obstruct the investigation and prosecution of her ex-husband, Jeff Gillooly (now Jeff Stone), and his henchmen, was rather sickening. Tonya should consider herself lucky that she didn't go to jail.
The reason that Tonya Harding was allowed to compete in Lillehammer, Norway, in the 1994 Winter Olympics was because she threatened the International Olympics Committee with a 25-million-dollar lawsuit, which they didn't want to deal with. Frankly, I think Tonya should've accepted her punishment and stayed home that year. Maybe if she'd cooperated a little more, she'd still be skating today.
I personally think that this movie may be coming out in order to generate more sympathy for Tonya Harding. She did have a hard life, and her family was extremely abusive to her, which is unfortunate, but that never gave her the right, however, to be involved in the planning of an event to try to break her rival competitor's leg.
More to the point, after the fact, Tonya Harding later made a totally unprovoked physical attack on Darren Silver (a now ex-boyfriend), with a hubcap, seriously injuring him, and getting a police warrant down on her own head. That, along with Tonya Harding's having co-conspired to obstruct the investigation and prosecution of her ex-husband and his goons, helped seal her fate. She destroyed a promising figure-skating career, for good.
Unfortunately, however, the fact that producers of film are much more interested in making money hand over fist, especially nowadays, is the big problem.
I think that Blake Lively gave a good performance as Krista.
If you saw more up-to-date photos of the real life Tonya Harding, I doubt very much that you'd think she's the least bit cute. Tonya Harding may have been cuter back in her younger days, but she has not aged well....at all.
Margo Robbie is too tall and thin to be cast as Tonya Harding. Tonya Harding was short and husky, in real life.
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I decided to put the film "I, Tonya" on my "don't see" list regarding movies, precisely because I never believed Tonya when she said she didn't know anything about the attack on Nancy Kerrigan. I also have a hard time believing that Tonya Harding was not involved in the masterminding and planning of that attack on Kerrigan. Tonya Harding also made a totally unprovoked physical assault with a hub cap, on a now-ex-boyfriend, Darren Silver, seriously injured him, and ended up with a police warrant on her own head. Tonya also admitted to conspiring to obstruct the investigation and prosecution of her ex-husband, Jeff Gillooly (now Jeff Stone) and his henchmen in order to avoid going to prison. Between all those factors, Tonya permantly side-tracked her promising figure skating career. Too bad, but she brought it on herself.
You've made some other good points, prometheus1816. It's agreed...Tonya Harding should've been made to stay home and not go to Lillehammer, Norway, to participate in the competition. Tonya Harding, to me, has always come off as an extremely hedonistic, nasty, bad-tempered and arrogant individual, who knows nothing about how to take responsibility for her actions and behaviors. She's always ready to blame other people.
The reason that Tonya Harding was allowed to compete in Lillehammer, Norway during the 1994 winter Olympics is because she threatened the Olympic Committee with a 25 million-dollar lawsuit, which they didn't want to deal with. It's agreed, however that the Olympic Committee used bad judgement when they caved in and allowed her to compete in the Olympics that winter after she threatened to sue them.
I think you're also right when you say that nobody could've made Tonya Harding do anything she didn't want to do, and I'm inclined to believe that the assault on Kerrigan was Tonya Harding's idea, and/or she was involved in the masterminding and planning of the attack on Kerrigan. Tonya Harding, at an extremely young age, had already made a name for herself in the figure-skating world, Nancy Kerrigan was edging in on her, at the time, and Tonya felt threatened by her.
Although I neither saw the film or read the book about this horrific incident, I remember hearing about the case in which John Walsh's son, Adam was abducted from a mall, and his head was found two months later. That was horrific. It's not surprising that John Walsh tore up the hotel room in real life due to being so grief-stricken, after having received the news of the discovery of Adam's head.
I also remember the Mansons and the Tate murders. That was rather horrific. I was a kid who'd just graduated from high school that past June, and it was a crazy time anyway, but the Tate murders at the hands of the Mansons was really horrendous. Ugh!
Nowadays, it's the "in" thing to look at things solely from the criminals' point of view, rather than those of the victim(s), if one gets the drift. It's disgusting.
Lots of people claim that Tonya Harding was the victim here. It's not true, really. Sure, she had a messed up childhood, but that doesn't excuse the fact that she not only got involved in the masterminding/planning of an incident that resulted in a potentially crippling physical injury to a rival figure-skating competitor, but conspired to obstruct the investigation and prosecution of Jeff Gillooly (now Jeff Stone) and his henchmen, not to mention her unprovoked physical assault on a now-ex boyfriend of hers with a hubcap, injuring him and bringing a police warrant down on her own head.
I just don't buy into the notion that Tonya Harding was a victim here.
Thank you, LetThemEatCake (868).
To put it somewhat differently, ugly is considered authentic these days.
That's why it would be a good idea for more of the great, golden oldie-but-keeper classics to be re-released into more of the movie theatres, which is beginning to happen.
A good part of the reason that both film and live theatre have gone so far downhill and become so commercialized is because many of today's young actors/actresses are not unionized, are poorly paid, and have not had the chance to really hone their craft.
Secondly, the excessive graphicness, gratuitous violence and length of style (if one can call it that with a straight face!), and shortness of substance, not to mention the boorishness and inconsiderate and constant use of cellphones for texting/talking during movies on the part of a lot of audience members, as well as many movie theatres not being kept clean, not to mention the availability of big-assed home theatre systems and blu-ray DVD films, have also helped undercut the movie business.
There are still people (myself included) who still prefer going to a movie theatre to sitting home and watching a good movie on TV. Having memberships at the 2 independent movie theatres in my area has also helped, as well.
A good part of it has to do a great deal with the fact that stuff, including movies these days, have become so commercialized. Commercialism also has a great deal to do with it.
I agree, LetThemEatCake (844). The hair looked very fake in the trailer of "I, Tonya", but that's kind of how Tonya's hair looked in real life, too. Hollywood often wants to blow things way out of proportion, exaggerates and makes things cheap, if one gets the drift.
I, too know how Tonya Harding looked, in real life. She often looked rather cheap, wore too much lipstick that was too intense a color, and excessive amounts of make-up, plus her costumes were cheap, full of sequins, etc, and the fact that her breasts and her bottom were often somewhat exposed was kind of disgusting. Tonya Harding really did make herself cheap, which was part of the reason that she got the reputation as being trashy.
Thank you for your compliments and your input, BB (2). You raised an interesting question on how Ice would've handled Anita. That's kind of hard to know, but Ice seems like the type of guy who knows better than to rough up a girl or a woman.
This:
"Women have abortions, so the vast majority of murders are female, as they say one in three women have had an abortion. I see this as a very heinous act."
is a bunch of baloney, Intothenight! The fact is that a baby is not a person until it's fully developed (i. e. at nine months), and then comes out of the womb. Some babies are born 3-5 weeks prematurely, for whatever reason, but that's a whole different matter. To say that abortion is murder sets a dangerous precedent. The crime rate overall would go up, the welfare rolls would increase, and there would be far great financial, physical and emotional hardships on the women and their families that are forced to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term.
Very true, Renovatio. "Heat" seems way more believable than "The Town", to boot.
The real-life Tonya Harding was quite pretty back in her younger days. If up-to-date photos of the real-life Tonya Harding are any indication, however, that's sure not the case now. She's totally unrecognizable, and hasn't aged well...at all.