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Men in general however aren't recognized as "beautiful" or rated on their looks, and if they do deeds as bad as HE does, it makes him nothing short of an unforgiveable monster who becomes undeniably so ugly on the INSIDE that nothing positive can be said or felt towards him.
Soon people will use iphones or smartphones to trigger nuclear bombs, I won't be too surprised. )
Does the term "bestiality" actually even apply to this movie at all?
Hmm, I wonder - what part of the movie in particular is the OP referring to, and what is he even TRYING to say in general about the European vs American, err, general population MENTALITIES?
Maybe, but what do (the civilized and justifiably complaining) people have or are able to do about it? And in this battle of wits, who will be RIGHT and why?
P.S. You should all one day check out this documentary by Cassie Jaye called "The Red Pill" (2016) as it looks at and deals with many of the issues you folks over here are not only discussing now, but probably have thought a LOT about, and what's weird, it was directed by a woman who herself is not only (or rather was) a feminist but who also received great respect for doing work that exposed the many common injustices performed by men against women or other repressed minorities, as well as legal and societal failures of many a variety to deal with them on both a practical and theoretical levels. It obviously doesn't offer a CONCLUSION or say "this is the right way and this is how it should be ALWAYS", but surprise suprise, neither does life, although it does offer at least a few alternative ways and aspects of thinking about some or other problems and shows that, even if its to a minor extent after all, things in life are never black and white simple, despite what movies, common people and others may have led to believe.
Shall we design a very smart nuclear bomb sponsored by Apple and call it "iNuclear" or something and wipe out all men with it like that? :)
Also, what DOES "being good at one's job", for a 21 year old police officer that's Italian and female and/or otherwise, ACTUALLY entail?
Plus, she DOES eventually defeat the film's lead villain who is a serial rapist and a murderer (sorry for the spoilers), and not JUST by shooting him in the head from a distance by a gun, so its not like she is "that" incompetent, is it?
In the end, who actually DECIDES these rules if they were not set in stone and created by God (has it even been proven if he exists?) and does that make it RIGHT?
IF by law (given that morality isn't a powerful enough entity to make these decisions factually right and just), one can OR cannot be sued because this is how THEY decide, who is ultimately right?
And would you QUESTION it or just move on with your life?
In your title comment, you could say "No Reason TO WATCH IT" - haha.
Also, in this movie, when Maurice for instance enters the castle, except for its creepy appearance and the big Beast that turns up later, he doesn't seem to freak out or go into shock out of seeing those creepy objects being alive, the candle, the Clock, the teapot and tea cups etc and even finds them cute, same more or less for Belle later on.
But I bet in real life, were this to happen, people will go into shock and possibly need therapy later on, come to think of it, and when those objects return back into their human form, how do they get over their PSTD so easily or does lifting the curse heal mental wounds as such as well?
True, but why doesn't magic of this sort exist in reality and if it did, what would happen?
Is REAL life in general, well, anti-male or anti-female, or a bit of both but at the same time neither in particular?
And who are the good guys and bad guys in real life?
How come in real life, being a victim of a lot of things is not only less desireable but often more looked down upon, in some or other ways, than being a perpetrator of such violent crime, or is it not as simple as that, maybe the guilty criminals just don't have the conscience and are laden with a lot more power hence those on the receiving end suffer more than those on the sending start of it all? (And no laws or morals can help it, its just a sad fact of life, right?)
Did feminism even "exist" as far back as the early 1950s?
And just like this movie, it also has that 70s grindhouse gritty feel to it.
Yes, and I suppose then IF that were the case, then indeed the state of cinema as well as our stances on things that deal with such topics etc would arguably be a LOT different than it is today, but yes that really is another story.
P.S. Tobe Hooper died today, at 74, who in 1974 (!), made one of the greatest horror movies ever made - "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre".
The thing is, I know most otherwise normal, civilized AND intelligent people who have it in their blood that criminals must serve jail time, but even with evidence that it doesn't reform them and often the conditions, punishment, potential for wrongful imprisonments etc can be quite high, they rarely if ever fight for alternative solutions.
Oh and sorry for the spoilers, but did you know that Andy was actually INNOCENT of what he was accused of committing here?
That's right - he did not even "commit" those murders.
And those guards and people that run the prison were themselves criminals who abused their power AND broke laws so no real talk about "protection of good against evil" can really be generated.
Of course no decent and normal human being can or would condone what those types did of course, but then again, you could say that the reason you know plenty of men who are not violent sexual predators is because, whilst far from perfect and certainly in need of a lot of improvement, we have laws and morals as well as upbringing and encouragement that allows them to prevent themselves from being perpetrators of such deeds. (Even "assholes", as you claim, well, at least SOME of them, may have a tendency to have some limits, not to mention not wanting to be arrested and apprehended by police etc.)
Of course in real life though, not many victims would have it in them to exact revenge like shown in the movie.
But I was just wondering what the world would be like, and also what would be the state of cinema like as well, if men in general, much like most women, were NOT violent, abusive, criminally offensive, perpetrators of sexual crimes etc, by nature, and that throughout human history in both peaceful and not so much times, they didn't carry out acts like these (and loads of others) on a grand scale statistics wise, would we still have films like "I Spit on Your Grave" that empower women, even if violently, against men who violate them?
But then again, that would be a totally different world now, wouldn't it?
(Sadly, and unfortunately, there are a number of reasons as to why the overall vast majority of violent criminals are indeed men, keep in mind that for one, men are generally and naturally physically stronger than women and have mental tendencies to often unfairly compete and fight for power, and combined with a lot of other factors including historical and modern statistical evidence, its somewhat simple, even if not always easy to explain in a single sentence, to see why "misandry" in our world isn't taken anywhere as seriously (by CIVILIZED people mind you) than misoginy, of course there are plenty of men who suffer at the hands of other MEN as well.)
Why doesn't she go "I Spit on Your Grave" on him then if that was actually the case? And is rape a legal matter, a social issue or a deeply personal attack for the victim that allows them and should allow them to decide how their perpetrator is to be punished, especially if law itself cannot prosecute him? (I believe its a COMBINATION of those issues and yes it is a terrible deed and a criminal offense.)
P.S. I haven't seen the movie in a long time, but was the movie in some or other ways being AMBIGUOUS about the whole "was it or was it not" a rape scene?
And 2 aqib4 - do other people also change their minds about it, and is it really true that some women may change their minds so much that even if they have consensual sex but feel bad about it, even if they were not forced into it in any way or were physically hurt in the process, they consider it rape (in a literal sense) totally and want to report the person they slept with to the police like that? And even if that may happen, isn't the percentage of those instances compared to actual rapes extremely low?
Also, reagrdless of the gender of whom THEY sleep with, do any MEN change their minds like that or are men and women incredibly different including psychologically (and it isn't a good or a bad thing in itself, just a fact of life) in the field of sex (not to mention the fact that women can get pregnant, they have a vagina and men have a penis and men have been the perpetrators of sexual violence against mostly women but not only women throughout the whole human history for thousands of years with all the terrible damage and emotional harm that this entails?)
And corinaam, I think that even violent criminals DON'T "deserve" to be raped, whatever punishment fits aside, this deed is completely inexcusably in any way, let alone suggest that innocent women do for simply being at the wrong place or dressing provocatively, God, I wish those stereotypes didn't exist in the first place to put such shame on humanity
Didn't it also have women that were vampires and werevolves and thus not exactly role models of positive behaviour?
And did the movie ever intend to be INTENTIONALLY either anti-male or sexist etc?
The ending of "Elle" to an extent remind me of an ending of Takashi Miike's "Audition" (1999), except here, the young son attacks and kills a man in defense of his mother.