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On the prequel, we might even get to see the complete story regarding the CotF and the WW, spread out over a number of episodes. I’d even prefer that to some flashbacks.
> Who cares now?
Me.
I’m not sure I’ll watch the prequel, but I will give it a shot. And if the CotF story is in there, there’s a good chance I’ll keep watching.
> Why would anyone regard Bran as someone to be trusted?
Because Brienne and Davos were around him in Winterfell for some time where he was on the war councils AND offered to be bait for the NK.
> It is ludicrous in this world in general for a crippled Boy that nobody even knows to be made king.
Well, I guess we have to agree to disagree here.
> and was out of character for them all.
I disagree, at least on the word "all".
I see Edmure and Robyn as people who are easily persuaded. Tyrion probably could’ve talked them into voting for Hodor (if he was still alive). For Sansa it was the best thing that could happen. Sam regards him as a friend. Brienne and Davos, while you can’t say they are real friends to Bran, they surely regard him as a man who can be trusted. Gendry is new to this stuff, maybe he just followed the vote of the others – but principally I don’t see why it would be IN character for him to vote AGAINST Bran. (Note that I’m not saying you’re wrong on Gendry, I’m just saying I don’t understand why you feel it’s out of character for him, which simply might be a lack of imagination on my side.)
The new Prince of Dorne – we know NOTHING about him, so we simply can’t tell if it’s out of character or not.
That other Lord from the Vale, can’t remember his name (the one who refused to help Littlefinger in his trial at Winterfell) and Yara Greyjoy – I have no idea what made them vote for Bran, so yes, you might be right for them.
And the other people on the council – I have to admit I have no idea who they were, so *I* can’t tell if it’s out of character for them. To form an opinion here, I’d first have to learn who they were.
> No, the truly maddening part is all the unanswered questions.
Hmmm, to me that’s not THAT frustrating. I can live with a few mysteries.
However there will be a prequel, and that’s the perfect place to answer the questions regarding the Children of the Forest, the creating of the White Walkers etc. Maybe they intentionally left these question open in order to raise interest for the prequel? That, while surely being a bit of a nuisance for the viewers, would be an understandable decision.
We also might learn whether the Night King is prescient and if so, to what extent… and MAYBE we then even can conclude why they waited so long to head south. I mean – well, the Night King obviously wanted to get to the Three Eyed Raven, but the old one was protected by magic in his cave, then Bran took over the role and headed south so one might say that the NK only followed him. But that doesn’t make a lot of sense, does it? Because the White Walkers seemed to prepare for war before that – which again implies that the Night King IS prescient, but then, as you correctly pointed out, didn’t he know that he will fail and die?
But regarding the questions concerning the Red Priestesses, the Lord of Light, and especially Maggie’s prophecy, I don’t hold out much hope that they will be answered. Maybe in the books. IF we get to read them.
Oh, your just being envious!
I mean… doing nothing but daydreaming, having guys who do the dirty work for you but still being boss of it all – isn’t that the job that EVERYONE dreams of? I’d take it!
And being the 3ER, he’s got the potential to write Wikipedia all by himself and become the best candidate EVER on "Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?" once Westeros has the technology.
;-)
> I don't think Bran knows everything, so much as he has access
> to that information if he goes looking.
You’re absolutely right here (in fact, I pointed out the very same thing in a different thread).
But if I were king, I’d regularly check what the Lords of Westeros are doing because they ARE cunts. If I were Hand of the King, I’d regularly remind him to check (because otherwise, Bran’d just walk around in the past or something).
> seeing as how he did fuck all to help the north.
I’m not sure what to make of the points you list, which are all true. Other people have suggested that he’s a cunt, too, who knowingly held back a lot information to win the Throne for himself. I find it hard to believe that, yet since I have no other idea how you can explain that, I have to admit that they might be right.
Others have suggested that he can’t see the future at all. I *think* (but I’d have to re-watch all episodes to be sure) that he can, but maybe in a more vague way. However to see if somebody plans against him, he doesn’t need to see the future but only what the Lords to presently.
> You don't need to attack for that.
OK, no objection here.
But they might fear an attack from the (then rebuild) army of the crown, and Tyrion might even orchestrate it to hold the Kingdom together. (Not Bran. He just sits there and walks around in the past.)
> so what incentive would the Vale or Dorne have for continuing to be a Vassal state?
For the moment, that they are in a bad state themselves.
For the future: Either because they fear an attack, OR because they see that that actually prosper from being a part of the Six Kingdoms. That’d not be THAT odd.
Although it is interesting, this discussion is a bit pointless because… well, the story’s done.
It won’t continue, and all we can do is continue it in our mind, and a million different will come up with two million different sequels. ;-)
After sleeping over it…
> So the idea that these people would set aside their innate crappiness
> and not snatch power when it's ripe for the picking is just silly.
> This little system that Tyrion set up will almost definitely lead to war.
They do have a king now who knows everything. It might be hard to attack a king who already knows what you’re doing when you start planning the attack so he can stop you with a small skirmish before you can start an actual war. And when this has happened once or twice, the others will think twice before trying it, too.
Of course, King’s Landing has no functional army at this point, but the same holds (probably) true for all the other Kingdoms. So they can’t attack NOW, and when they have build up an army, King’s Landing will have one, too.
And since the 3ER gets very, very old, the system even might last.
That is, IF Bran can change future things. We didn’t get to learn how his power works, it’s fully possible that he only sees things that WILL happen. In that case, he only knows: "Oh, I’m gonna get killed soon" but can’t do a thing against it.
In the books, the wildlings believe there’s a magical "Horn of Winter" which, when blown, can bring down the Wall. So far (i.e. in the books that are available) it’s not clear if it’s just a myth or if the horn actually exists. But it COULD be the way the Army of Dead gets past the wall.
Tully.
At least he got close to that boat, and that was a target that was much farther away AND moving, in contrast to the target that Robyn failed to hit.
Oh, I see, then I got you wrong on the headache part.
> But it made the white walkers seem invincible and impossible for anyone
> to overcome or anyone to make it out alive..
Yes, they did. Thus, at some point during the episode it was clear to me that there were only two possible endings left:
1. Everyone at Winterfell dies.
2. Someone gets to kill the Night King.
Option 1 was a bit unlikely ;-) so I had to be Option 2, so regarding this I found they took out a bit of suspense by making the WW+W just TOO damn strong. However they did surprise me in the end because I really didn’t count on Arya doing it. Umm, I mean killing the NK here. I also didn’t count on Arya "doing it" but that was a different ep. ;-)
And I agree that they let too many major characters survive. I mean, plot armor is fine to me (otherwise, there would be only one "Die Hard" movie, and that run only about 45min) but THIS was a bit… overdone.
> And Cersei knew she had a bargaining chip in Missandei - you don't throw that away.
> Such bad writing.
I disagree.
Cersei ALWAYS chose lashing out at her enemies over strategically good moves.
> It gave me a headache for the first 50 minutes
I seem to be the only person on the web who didn’t have any problems at all with that episode…
… well, okay, I admit it: A friend of mine saw it first and dropped my a line right away to tell me that I should watch it in a fully darkened room. And so I did. But I see that it could be a problem for people who just can’t get their room REALLY dark.
> All I will say is that the more attention you pay to Hollywood,
> the less you believe what entertainment personalities say in interviews.
You’re right, but the statement "the more attention you pay to the web, the less you believe what anonymus people say in forums" is true as well.
> They actually got on the bed, naked, and he got a good look at her
> before deciding he wasn't going to sleep with her.
Yes, but in the books, SHE also get a look at HIM and noted that "even his manhood was ugly" (quoted from memory, too lazy now to find the proper chapter and get the original words). I’m not sure if people really wanted to see THAT.
> Seems like fan fiction for what someone wanted to happen.
I fully agree.
Although I admit it might be wishful thinking, because I also agree to dmac8 above when he/she said "I'm not sure most of this stuff is an improvement".
Hey, they couldn’t do that, because Jon was busy doing other extremly important stuff. Namely screaming at zombie Viserion.
Joking aside, I like your idea.
Hey, you’re preaching to the choir here! I said I would’ve loved to see them fight, and I didn’t say that in the hope they’d get rid of Sansa there. And yes, you’re right, I forgot that an obsidian dagger basically kills/stops/destroys the wights on CONTACT, so it IS a very powerful weapon even for the untrained.
Nonetheless the complaints would be here. It’d bet a crate of beer on this, but the trouble is, how do we check if I won or lost the bet? ;-)
By the way, I loved that Arya echoed the words "stick them with the pointed end" that Jon gave her in Season 1. :-)
GW still had the Unsullied army behind him. While small (meanwhile), it probably still was the biggest army in King’s Landing at that point. And why piss them off when you can get rid of them by lying that they’ll punish Jon?
Plus, Jon WANTED to go north. Her said so when he gave his (premature) Good-Bye to Tormund and Ghost. So why force him to be King when you can reward him by giving him what he really wants?
Two birds killed with one stone.
And since you acknowledge Jon’s deeds, why are you so eager to punish him? Taking the Throne would have a punishment for him, but he probably would have done it anyway if they had asked. Someone just needed to say something with "greater good", and he would have done it. And be unhappy for the rest of his life.
EDIT:
The first version of this posting began with "But as you said yourself (…)"
Sorry, I was wrong, I got confused, because that bit is actually in Otter’s posting below.
Oh.
My idea was that she looks smashing and thus deservers $100K. Didn’t know she was in F&F, never was interested in that stuff. However now…
;-)
The horse probably wasn’t real but some kind of symbolic/dreamed up stuff.
To what end? I have no idea.
Please also refer to the "Game of Thrones Season 8 Pitch Meeting" video that was posted before ([url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAhKOV3nImQ[/url]).