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In their wedding night.
She didn’t love Drogo at that point.
Well, in this case…
… here HAS to be a scene shorty before that, in which Davos Seaworth murmurs »Almost there« a few times, before he gets hit and killed by a WW.
;-)
»Also, if you look at a map, Hardhome «
… is about 200 miles away from Eastwatch-by-the-Sea.
And the brief shot we saw this season implies that the Army of the Dead moves very, very slowly. We don’t know why – we know that the wights, unlike the walkers of The Walking Dead, CAN move very quickly. Maybe they can hold up that speed only for a very short time, or (and my guess is that this is the case) the White Walkers are still waiting for something, most likely for winter to grow harder.
I expect that at least one dragon will die, too.
But I’d prefer if he/they died fighting the White Walkers. It’s an army of thousands of wights, so that’s surely not a thing that even dragons can handle with ease. Moreover, the White Walkers thing has been build up since the first scene of the first episode of Season 1 – it’d be disappointing if they’d be finished too quickly/easily.
But we know that at least one dragon will be in King’s Landing (we saw that in one of Bran’s visions), and although I’d love to see Qyburn’s weapon fail miserably, I’m sure that won’t be the case.
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Of course, what we saw in Bran’s vision could have been some historic event, but I doubt that.
Probably.
But it didn’t matter to Ramsey Bolton as he rained down arrows at his own people during the Battle of Bastards.
Nor did it matter to Cersei that citizens in the streets of King’s Landing were killed when she blew up the sept.
That’s just collateral damage to them.
As usual ;-) I doubt it was only »a few days«.
However, even it was weeks, it still hard to explain how it’s possible that he arrived at Casterly Rock practically at the same time as the Unsullied, although he stopped at King’s Landing.
The only explanation that comes to my mind is that Euron himself wasn’t aboard the fleet that arrived at CR. Maybe he took off on a single ship after fighting Yara to bring his prosoners to KL, while the fleet continued to go to its next destination without him.
But that seems unlikely again – Euron missing a fight? Trusting his people to go to war without his leadership? I can’t imagine that.
Maybe it’ll be explained next episode. But I guess it’ll be just one of the tradeoffs we have to accepts because of the »fast-forward« mode the show has jumped into.
I agree, it seems quite unlikely that the weapon’ll actually help.
Unless, like it was suggested above, they’re having "enough ballistae firing so that the dragon cannot evade the fusillade", but that seems questionable again because Qyburn said that "the finest artillators and blacksmiths in King's Landing have been laboring day and night" – so how long would it take to build dozens of them?
Of course, if Dany still waits a few months before she attacks …
And I [i]really[/i] would like to see that one of Cersei’s plans fails for a change.
But somehow, I’m quite certain the writers will find some way that at least one of the dragons will be killed by that weapon, or that they come up with hundreds of weapons of that kind, or that Euron realises that he can fart the dragons out of the sky or something…
"She has three full-grown dragons, Your Grace.
The same as Aegon when he conquered the Seven Kingdoms."
That’s what Lord Tarly said. Obviously, three dragons are more than »just animals«.
»and in the coliseum execution scene one of them was almost killed by spears.«
Well, hurt, not almost killed. He still was able to carry Dany to the Dothraki sea.
And by the way, I was quite pissed when I saw that scene. The way I remembered it from the books, the spears didn’t harm him at all. But maybe I remember it wrong, I really have to read the books again…
No, they’re not.
In the first meeting of the Small Council that we saw (when Ned just had become the Hand) Baelish mentioned that the crown is in debt to the Lannisters.
I have to admit that I forgot about that too, and thought that as master of coin, Tyrion’ll be respnsible for the Lannister finances. But then there was a scene in which Bronn said that Tywin surely would release the crown from all debts now that is grandson is king, and Tyrion replied that his father would never release any debt (or something similar). That was when I remembered what Baelish had said.
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Ooops! I was too slow, now Eddym123 has replied already replied…
English isn’t my native language, so I always need some time in replying.
»Tyrion finds out earlier in the show that lannisters are broke. I don't know exactly what episode. But it's been discussed as nauseum on this thread and many others. All the lannisters knew they were broke. It was a major plot point a few seasons ago.«
Sorry, I disagree here.
Tywin told Cersei that the Lannister mines ran dry, and she was surprised. That was in S4E05, I just checked.
At that point, Tyrion was already in custody waiting for his trial by combat.
Tyrion knew quite well that the Crown’s broke, because he was master of coin. But as far as I remember (and I rewatched season 1 to 6 just before the start of S7) there was never a hint that Tyrion knew about the Lannisters being broke.
I’ll believe that Tyrion knew when you (or somebody else) points me to the episode where he learns it.
Of course, there’s also the possibility that Varys knew all this but didn’t say anything.
I’m still not entirely convinced that Varys really supports Dany. He might follow his own agenda.
Arya doesn’t have him on the list, she doesn't know what he has done to her family.
At least, not yet. If she learns about it, it’s of course possible that she adds another name to that list…
Sorry, but I think you were imagining things there.
This is the last frame before Jamie walks out, she’s still sitting upright in the chair:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wz93pll1nmerk69/got-1.jpg?dl=0
… and this is the last frame before the screen goes black. Doesn’t look like someone who just dropped dead to me:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/vn6pij0yeu9ns6w/got-2.jpg?dl=0
After I’ve thought about it again…
There’s only one believable way that Olenna’s still alife: After she told Jaime that she killed Joffrey, he walked out of the room. [i]Maybe[/i] he was heading for the Maester’s chambers to look for an antidote and force feed it to Olenna, in order to bring her to Cersei after all – she’d give her a much less pleasant death.
I’m not saying I believe that – in fact, I still believe that she is dead.
I’m just saying that’s the only story I’d buy if she’s still alife next episode.
I completely agree that Tyrion didn’t fare quite well… ;-)
BUT:
»He thought ellaria sand could control the dornish army. Wrong.«
Ellaria didn’t have a chance to control the dornish army, so we don’t know how well or bad she would’ve done.
»He thought casterly rock was a good idea despite knowing the Lannisters are broke. Wrong.«
Where and when did Tyrion gain the knowledge that the Lannisters are broke?
»He thought the tyrells would be a useful addition militarily but ignored their vast riches and resources.«
I don’t quite understand what you’re saying here. The weren’t good militarily, okay – Olenna said so herself. But what about their riches and resources? Do you mean that there was no need to take Casterly Rock because they had enough riches, through Olenna Tyrell? Or are you saying something else?
[b]Very[/b] long shot, because she’d need to know in advance which kind of poison he’ll give her in order to take the right antidote.
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Plus, I expect that most of the characters will die before the show is done. So this time, it was Olenna.
I agree.
I mean, we’ve seen Casterly Rock AND Highgarden for the first time in all those years, and it felt like watching a movie on fast-forward. And it’s strangely done… Tyrion presenting the plan while we see it being carried out. That worked well on "Life of Brian", but it felt kinda wrong on GoT.
Although I’m not very fond of Season 7 so far, too…
»apparently everyone knows she did it, but everyone is accepting that story«
There [i]are[/i] examples in history (I’m talking of real-world history, not Westeros) that people behaved just like this.
Okay, I’ll agree about Ellaria, but Olenna isn’t exactly stupid.
And yes, she’s rich, but Tyrion probably thought that it’s better to have some own gold instead of relying on the Tyrells… scratch that, instead of relying on Olenna (there are no other Tyrells left, at least apparently none worth mentioning). Tyrion is wise enough not to trust Olenna any more than needed for the task at hand.
»when he was a hand of the king, he noticed from the books that the kingdom is broke«
Yes, he did, but those were the kingdom’s books – not the Lannister’s books.
And of course, just like you said, it’s Davos who really has the experience.
IF Davos would’ve doubted the plan, I think he at least would’ve made some snappy comment about personal vendettas when he’s alone with Tyrion.
But well… the way they’re rushing the story now, it gets harder and harder to explain things logically. So maybe it’s just a plot hole after all.
»But I suppose we can just suspend disbelief and think that in that society (which is actually on another planet) there was some biological difference that prevented it from being so.«
I agree.
Moreover, we should be thankful for this "artistic freedom". Imagine they had forced Conleth Hill to speak in a high-pitched voice or had pitched it up digitally – it would’ve been such a waste!