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What makes you think she's rich? She said the movie salary was used to pay off her student loans and she had worked odd jobs. She sounds like a regular working stiff like the rest of us.
Constructive criticism isn't the problem. I had major problems with the Rose character like most people. Racist and sexist comments or death threats are abusive.
Trump is the biggest troll around and extremely abusive towards others. He has also created a hostile work environment in the WH. What goes around comes around in regard to him. The blue wave is coming in November. BTW, he is rich and is using the WH to enrich himself further at the expense of working class people. Why would you defend him?
"I've no doubt she's gotten a lot of crap she doesn't deserve from the usual wankers..."
This is what I agree with. There are people who act like they're trying to negate the abuse by making it all about the reason why she left social media. When 95% of the discussion becomes the reason instead of what was happening to her for months then it negates the abuse.
Ridley said the negativity did bother her but the main reason was because she didn't have anything to post.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJCszPM4dJ8
Boyega was attacked in 2015 for being a black Stormtrooper. October 2015 was just 2 months before the release of Force Awakens so I doubt he was filming. Boyega has a twitter account so was he active during the same time period? Were there abusive messages on his twitter or Instagram accounts? Boyega is a horrible example because you're not providing enough information.
You're missing the point that Tran was on the receiving end of abusive messages for months from SW fans. That's factual. And it's wrong. You're obsessing about wanting her to admit directly her reason for leaving social media which may be unlikely at least for now since it empowers abusers and may be embarrassing for her. There's a reason why many women who are raped or beaten remain silent. Or she may be doing it indirectly which is how the story leaked and why people who worked with her are defending her and not denying the story.
Questions aside, I reiterate the point is that she was subject to abuse for months. Stop trying to justify it with whether or not that's the reason she left Instagram.
Most human beings would find abuse offensive. I find it interesting that most alt-right types are more interested in denying her pain rather than admit months of abuse would have an effect and hurt her whether or not it's the reason why she deleted her account.
Maybe guilt. Defense for their own group or people they are relating to? A way to negate another person's experience? I heard a male youtuber denounce Tran's abuse and then "compliment" her by saying he found her beautiful (after abusers said she was ugly). A few comments backed him up. It was lost on them why that is also sexist.
I'll stop using the alt-right label after the SJW label is no longer used.
What are you getting so bent out of shape about anyway? Almost sounds like we have an alt-right sympathizer here.
"They started this"
Not really. Fans have been whining about the "SJW" agenda before Kennedy or Johnson opened their big mouths. The message about the film quality is getting lost on them because of all the "SJW' comments. The reality is that there are toxic fans who are racist and sexist and have a problem with diversity.
"Lucasfilm responded to that criticism by ignoring it, and essentially labeling everyone as bigots and "manbabies"."
The people who use the term "SJW" don't appear to realize that there are plenty of left-wing fans who hate Disney SW also. And they fail to realize that Lucas was also left-wing. Kennedy and co. are incompetent. It's not the politics, but the horrible writing that's the problem. Do you believe that the character development would be any better and that Luke wouldn't have been killed off if they were right-wing? Bad writing isn't limited to a political party.
Then why is John Boyega still active in social media? Alt-right types are in denial and have been trying to find excuses as to why Tran deleted her account after months of abuse. The denials themselves are offensive. It reminds me of what neo-Nazis do when they deny the Holocaust or racists deny racism exists.
You made some good points. Kennedy and Johnson probably believe they are making great films because of their narcissism. They're both stereotyping all old fans as being white middle-aged men who have a problem with the recent changes. They believe that women can't relate to Luke and other nonsense. It doesn't appear that Kennedy knows or understands SW fans which is a major problem.
Too many fans continue to whine about SJWs and women and Ghostbusters which starred women, etc. instead of just focusing their complaints on the quality of the films and being specific. By focusing on SJW rhetoric, it reinforces Kennedy & co.'s belief that the fans are racists and sexists white men and that there is nothing wrong with their films.
Unfortunatley some fans are toxic and Kennedy & co. are narcissists. While both sides double-down, most decent fans who just want to see good SW fans end up losing.
The fans have a bad habit of attacking people. The 10 y.o. child actor who played Anakin, Jarjar (Ahmed Best) Ridley, and Boyega were attacked. And you have to admit that recently Abrams, Johnson and Kennedy have been attacked, but the difference is that they verbally fight back. Even Lucas was attacked so much he stopped making films and sold his own company.
I read some very ugly posts directed at Tran. She's not responsible for Rose any more than Hamill was responsible for Jake Skywalker. Denial by the alt-right and their sympathizers only reinforces the belief that all fans are racists and sexists and support attacking her.
"She hasn't even said why she deleted it ffs."
Why would she empower her lowlife attackers in that way? It's enough that racist and sexist posts attacking her do exist. Her remaining message on her site "Afraid, but doing it anyway."
Maybe back in old days. Disney cares about making money which is why they've been rushing films, created a loot boxed game, creating a SW TV show on a new fee-based Disney, obsessed with expanding audience w/China, creating an over-priced theme park. I read KK was picking directors based on who made huge profits with small budgeted films. Even Hamill sarcastically said a film doesn't have to be good - it only needs to make money.
George Lucas cared about his art. Mean fans chased him away. :(
Disney cares only about money, not quality.
I totally agree. When I was growing up, at least one new movie would come out each summer with the potential to become a new franchise. Now, most of the great ideas are coming from TV or the internet, not cinema. I hardly bother going to the movies anymore.
Too bad the fans chased Lucas away. Abrams & Disney proved that Lucas is unplaceable as a creative force.
Plenty of females named Rae, but it has a SW spelling.
I liked Finn, Rey, Kylo and Poe's potential until that idiot Johnson completely ruined them and wrecked the story. Now I cant' stand them.
SW had never before seen SFX in 1977. Not anymore.
The Empire represented the Nazis - not Soviets.
Bad stories and character development are the main problems. They're also not offering anything new. Just nostalgia-driven storytelling. Destroying the original characters was a huge mistake, too. Personally, I don't want any standalone movies with OT characters either. Old Republic Jedi Sith Wars with brand new characters. Hire some TV and internet scifi writers and story developers since they're doing great work.
He's right that episode 9 will die at the box office, but prolonging its release will just make people angry who might want to see it. It's better to undo as much of Johnson's hatchet job as possible. Bring back Luke and Snoke.
The trailer looked like crap. Script is stupid. Visually is dark and muddy. Only Ford can be Han. Solo=mediocrity. Caper plots are boring.
"Ironically, the idiots boycotting might have liked it the most."
Nope, don't think so. Boycott to be continued.
Can we finally agree that Lawrence Kasdan is also over-rated as a writer, too?
I doubt they make that mistake twice.
No, but the pervert was once married to his own cousin.
The critics lost credibility with me because of their negative reviews of Star Wars. But, as bad as critics were back then, they're even worst now. The critics raved about Last Jedi even though it has plenty of plotholes, no character development, no continuity, tells instead of shows, uses gimmicks instead of storytelling, numerous errors...
I also don't get the impression they can follow a movie.