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No, they would have been screwed due to forensics and how they kind of made up their plan on the fly.
#1) The guy they're trying to pin it on, Sidney's dad, would have bruises from his restraints around his hands, and probably from the duct tape they kept over his mouth. Forensics would look into this, and even ask Stu and Billy about it after them surviving the incident.
#2) Their ending in mind was Sidney's dad kills Sidney, and then shoots himself. The gun, however, came from Dewey, and Dewey wasn't in Stu and Billy's plan. I mean, yes, the dad could have just slit his throat or something, but the fact that they didn't stick to the plan and decided to use the gun instead of the knife was stupid on their parts. Their fingerprints would have been found all over the gun if they didn't wipe their prints off properly. The knife, I can only hope they wiped off properly if the knife was the original method for the dad to kill himself.
#3) Gale's camera was still in the house. It would have shown Billy shooting Randy in the hallway, Stu with the recorder in hand changing his voice. Police would investigate and see that the camera was broadcasting to the TVs in Kenny's van. Now let's pretend Billy and Stu just carried through with the plan without explaining to Sidney whats going on. Would the cameras still be found? Yes, because they both didn't anticipate Gale having a camera hooked up inside the house, which is why Stu had to make sue she was dead when she crashed the van. He didn't though, and she would survive and tell the police to check the footage gathered from camera.
To be fair, before the events of the first film, only the Sheriff and 6 of his deputies knew of the Creeper and seen him before Darry, Trish, Jezelle, Sgt. Tubbs, the prisoners and the rest of Tubb's men were attacked by the Creeper. So yes, they were very ill-prepared, but it kinda makes sense. Still, its stupid how they thought 7 men could take it down. Three of them are dead by the end of this one, and they don't reappear in the second one, so their inclusion in-between 1 and 2 has no purpose. So maybe a possible fourth film can explore that better?
The Creeper wants his hand back because if people like Gaylen Brandon or Sheriff Tashtego were to get ahold of it, they would be able to know how to kill him, since they're the only ones who know his origins.
The Sheriff can't communicate with his deputy about firing off the machine gun because the Creeper's horn is blocking out the sound. Plus, the deputy is probably only focused on gunning the thing down, since he seems to be flashing back to when the Creeper ripped out his dad's heart 23 years prior when he sees the truck.
The Creeper warning the cop with his finger has less to do with him not wanting to be shot, but more of him not wanting a reason to unnecessarily harm someone. It's a threat to her saying "You pull that trigger, I'll come for you next."
The second movie showed that the steel post in his head also had no effect on him either, so really headshots or removing his head does nothing. The trap he had in his truck poked out his eye, so he did have a hole.
Still, I agree with you, this movie is really stupid. I still don't understand how he'd think the girl of the douchebag on the bike were dead when he threw them in.
Jeepers Creepers 1, 3 and 2 occur within 4 days of each other in 2001.
The first film took place on day 19 when the Creeper's church hideout caught on fire, ending on the morning of day 20 when the Creeper rips Darry's eyes out. The third one took place from the night of day 19 when the Creeper flew off with Darry, to late night on day 20, possibly early morning of day 21 when he reads the sign "We Know What you Are". At the end of the third, we see a school bus of teenaged basketball players, including the teenaged male protagonist, heading out to compete in a game. Teenaged male protagonist tells his lady friend he was probably going to stay with extended family after the game. The second film shows Taggart's son getting abducted on Day 22, and Day 23 is when the school bus of kids are driving back. Since we don't see the teenaged male protagonist on the bus, we are to assume he stayed with extended family while his teammates got murdered in the second film. And then 23 years later, the Creeper is hung up on the wall in Taggart's farm, while Trisha writes a post saying she will kill the Creeper as Spring approaches.
My bad. Here’s what I meant to say.
We had the one scene in season two in which Daryl gets impaled on one of his arrows that was previously used on a walker, and he turns out fine. We’ve had a couple scenes in which characters had used knives to stab through zombie heads, and then cut someone else with it later ( Shane on his own hand and season two, and Sasha accidentally cutting Abraham’s arm season five), and they turn out fine.
Back on here to see what the hot topic of the show is now. To clarify, it is out of the comics, and it works well within the comic book universe because the characters were smart enough, for the most part, to not get walker blood anywhere on their physical person.
Problem is, this show since Season 2 has had multiple scenes in which our characters get shot with arrows that had been previously used to kill walkers, and live somehow. Characters will stab or attack a walker at close range, even dig their hands into a walker’s skull (Daryl season 5), and turn out fine. Hell, characters will get walker blood sprayed on them near the face and basically anywhere on skin for the sake of having a scene where blood sprays on our characters and gives Talking Dead something to talk about, especially now since it went from 30 minutes to 1 hour since Talking Dead has been on the air.
Within the TV universe, the walker rules or zombie guts and blood NOW only apply in service to the plot, rather than the plot being in service to the established rules.
I have never seen St. Elsewhere, but I know of it’s ending, and how it’s more confusing when you take the crossovers that show did with other shows, and the crossovers those shows did with other shows, and it’s like all of these shows are inside this kid’s head.
I think the “it was all just a Dream” ending can work for certain pieces of work. The original Phantasm movie used it well I think. Roseanne’s ending I was fine with, but I’d have to rewatch that again. But for this show, personally, I would have been pissed if it was either purgatory or a big dream. 6 years in, and it turns out Jack was in a coma from plane crash? Or turns out Kate had a dream where she had the flashbacks of multiple characters and side characters?
Admittedly, a lot of the show is pointless and stupid once you get into the final season and a plot starts to form after 5 years of bullshit, but it can’t be denied that these guys at ABC and the creators pulled this shit off for 6 years. Quality aside, I’m more annoyed with the people who hate it for the wrong reason, and more than that, how many there are that do.
There are some who I have to explain it to, and then they’re like “oh that makes better sense, I love it now, and it’s not as pointless.” To that I say “No, this show is actually pointless for other reasons. You hated it because you somehow misinterpreted an ending that was not supposed to be interpreted in the first place.” I’ve misinterpreted things that were meant to be interpreted before, but not things that were not meant to be interpreted.
Thanks for clarifying this a bit. What I’m more curious about is this: for Army of Darkness, Sam had some rights to Evil Dead II (there are some shots of the second one in Army of Darkness), but yet he reshot scenes of Linda and Ash cutting off his own hand for some reason. Was their another rights issue there, or did Sam do that for comedic effect since he did the same thing in the second one?
Also, the three movies on their own, the reshot scenes are fine, to me at least. It’s only slightly confusing in Ash vs Evil Dead when they reference events from these movies, and it’s like “which Linda we talking here? Linda #1, 2 or 3?”
I’ll give Jigsaw: The Game Continues this. It’s possible Lawrence Gordon or another unrevealed accomplice were helping Logan with the game he set up in this one. It’s been said by producers in the commentary that the car Eleanor flags down at the end is possibly important for future installments.
Maybe it is Gordon. Heck, the hacksaw he used to cut his foot off went from being thrown outside the bathroom to being in Eleanor’s hidden studio closet a decade later. Unless that’s just an hacksaw for Eleanor pay tribute to Jigsaw or something.
Either Logan was one of the Pig Men at the end of Saw 3D, took the hacksaw as a souvenir, and placed it in Eleanor’s apartment to set her up. Or Eleanor got it online, like she did with the designs for the Spiralizer. But unless I’m mistaken, im pretty sure it was subtlety implied that Logan sent her the design for the Spiralizer online, and she didn’t know it was him. So maybe he sent her the hacksaw too.
I’m gonna say they’re dead. The only other main teenager character amongst the running group was Big K. If he were alive, I think it would have been shown or mentioned. And yes, I know Big K isn’t as important as the other characters. Hell, he’s as useless as the background extras. But, considering he isn’t credited as an extra, but as a character with a full name (Kimball ‘Big K’ Ward), I’m going to call that a main role. And since this main role is never heard from again after the Creeper attacks this group again, i’d say he died offscreen.
Scotty’s girlfriend is never seen after she’s pushed out of the speeding vehicle, and Izzy is never seen again after crawling away from wreckage. All we see is D, Minxie, Bucky, other chick and other guy. Not even a shot of them tending to the wounded if there were any instead of gazing at the burnt remains of the truck. So I’m assuming Izzy and Scotty’s girlfriend are dead. Izzy probably crawled away enough before the explosion but died from injuries. The girlfriend probably snapped her neck or hit her head hard enough because of Izzy. Plus, i’d rather think that because it makes the intense chase scene oddly dark. A man tries to save a woman only to wind up killing her, but simueltaneously, she would’ve been dead as he is if she stayed in the truck.
Halloween II isn't perfect by any means, but that's just my personal opinion. If anything, it shot the franchise in the feet by not going the anthology route Carpenter wanted, and by declaring Michael's motive to be his family, which does nothing but tarnish everything we saw in the first one. He could've killed Laurie at any moment, but decides to stalk her, and then spend a majority of the night stalking Annie until he decides to kill her.
Look, I hate the cliched answer that horror movies have villains who for some reason are unstoppable, and unable to be killed but c'mon man. Let's look at a few examples from other movies if you don't believe me.
Michael Myers is unstoppable, taking 11 bullets to the chest, 2 bullets to the eyes, a knitting needle to the neck, a coat hanger to the eye, a knife to the chest, fell two stories off a balcony, caught in an ether explosion and manages to walk around for a little before collapsing. Guess what? Not a zombie, or undead. Why? Because of one of two things. A) he gets put into a COMA, grows his eyes back, and manages to slightly heal from his burn wounds, and wakes up 10 years later. Zombies or undead people don't get put into comas. People with a pulse do. B) He manages to get away from the fire, hides out in the hidden basement area of his house for 20 years, heals from the wounds and again grows back his eyes.
Leatherface in The Texas Chainsaw Massacre Part 2. Leatherface is human throughout this entire series. Took a goddamn chainsaw to the gut from Dennis Hopper, through stomach and out the back, and continued to fight Dennis Hopper, and gets knocked out by a hammer when he would've collapsed already from blood loss or very much be dead, considering the chainsaw in his gut still had blades running and active. A chainsaw to the cut, and a hammer to the head...only unconscious. Grenade supposedly blows him up off-screen. Next film acts like that film didn't happen. There's a character in that movie who gets hit in the head with a hammer graphically probably two dozen times, probably more, gets his face cut off, and gets the flesh on his arms and chest skinned off...yet still alive to cut out main heroine free before collapsing dead afterwards. Leatherface in TCM III gets hit over the head with a heavy rock probably a dozen times, and falls into a swamp to drown, only to pop up alive and well the next morning right before the credits roll.
Any suspenseful moments they try to use with Morgan would just be pointless because he's literally wearing plot armor. Unless it turns out Fear does a time-jump to catch up to TWD timeline is currently now. But even then, that takes away the charm that Fear had, and by doing that, Fear will wind up being the origin story of either a new group of survivors or a new group of villains. A lot of people had been suspecting the Whisperers, and I'm going to have to agree on that.
Okay, there are multiple problems for dropping the reveal that Lennie James is involved, and picking him in general.
First, they show a picture of him with three of the four main cast members whose fates were left up in the air at the end of Season 3 of Fear. We were supposed to get the reveal of their fates by the premiere. So, the wait to see who will make it has been proven to be completely pointless, unless someone is really striving for Daniel to make it. (Seriously, though, like Daryl Dixon in Season 3, Daniel has nothing left for his character to do now, so if he dies, I'd be fine. If he doesn't, then they're really stretching his character out for no reason.)
Second, dropping the ball that Lennie would be in Fear before they conclude his character's arc on the main show takes away the eventual surprise when his character either dies or when he decides to go away and do his own thing. If he is going to die, there's no longer any suspense on whether or not if he will die or not. And if he does go away to do his own thing, then the time dedicated to him from Seasons 5 to now are pointless. So, he showed back up in Season 5 and 6, only to just cram "all life is precious" down people's throats, then give up on that shit in Season 7 and 8 to be all about killing the enemy, and then leave again.
Third, picking Morgan in general doesn't make any sense, story wise between Fear or TWD, and screws up the already screwed up timeline even more. If Morgan dies in TWD, and appears in Fear, then his character being in Season 4 serves no purpose other than to entice viewers to watch Fear. And there is no purpose if they go that route, because his character arc will have been completed already. The thing that made Fear somewhat bearable than TWD was the fact it wasn't bound by another source material to follow on, meaning any character can go or do whatever at any given moment. Now, we would know nothing bad is going to happen to Morgan because we know he dies later.
Okay, if that was the case, fine. But wouldn’t setting the film 16 years in the past be more expensive and put a lot of limitations to what they can do, considering the time period they’re trying go for in this one? And why bring back a character portrayed by an actor who has gotten bigger, older and quite frankly, more fragile in over 16 years when only one minute has passed since we last saw him in the first film? The Creeper makes sense, since he’s under makeup. But Sergeant Tubbs inclusion in this story was not needed.
Honestly, if this movie had a budget, the more interesting story was what happened in 1978. We can see what the Creeper has done to this town in the past, see Kenny and Darla as the right skin color, and witness the birth of this group of hunters led by a pissed off sheriff 46 years later for a Part 4 with Taggart. But having the hunting team in 2001 in between the first two movies make it feel kind of pointless, considering they’re never to be heard of again. Only three of them died, and the rest just disappear.
See, it’s shit like that I never understood. When I watch a movie or an episode for the first time, it’s to invest my time in the world or story unfolding before me. If I wanted background noise while I do chores, check social media, eat meals and relax, I put music on or something i’ve seen numerous times before.
Meanwhile, people I know claim to still watch this show and love it, while I had given up before season 7. Last night I hanged out with a friend when it was on, and they’re doing anything but watch the show. To fuck with them, I watched it, and at the end started asking them questions that they would only know if they watched the episode. And they surprised the shit out of me when they couldn’t even name any of the main characters. I haven’t watched the show since season 6. Occasionally I’ll look the show up to stay current, because I did love it once. But after about 2 years, I can remember Gabriel and Eugene’s names still. Meanwhile, they watch it live and don’t pay attention at all to what’s going on, yet they call themselves fans. It’s really confusing why anyone does this.
Clearly homage to the end of the original Saw where John Kramer slammed the door closed.
Theatrical Cut: Implication that the baby is a possible result of an in-vitro fertilization experiment by the Cult, possibly trying to clone Michael. There are dead babies, failed experiments, kept in fish tanks with what looks like DNA coding mixed with runes. If they’re not the result from some of the female patients, I’d say they’re all possibly Jamie’s, as if her life wasn’t already a living hell. Whether if Michael or something/someone else is used in this process is unknown.
Producer’s Cut: Michael Myers is 100% the baby’s Duncle.
Not in the first film, and not in the second film either. The red shirt was very jarring and noticeable during all of the daytime, afternoon scenes. At night, its kind of not noticeable.
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The thing that irks me the most is the incompetence of the police in these movies. I know this is a horror movie, so obviously the police would not do a good job, but the police in these movies are absolutely retarded. Let's talk about Bride for a minute. Charles Lee Ray's fingerprints are found at a crime scene, ten years after his supposed death. In New Jersey where his corpse was buried, police would find that he was in fact dead, but a doll that was once impounded as evidence from Child's Play 3, is found with blood oozing out of it next to his corpse, and the DNA would match Charles Lee Ray's dna as well. So obviously, this doll would be kept in evidence this time, right? Maybe investigated, or maybe people will start listening to Andy, Kyle, his mom and others? Nope, Hollywood is going to buy that doll and use it as a prop for a horror movie based on that doll's supposed murder spree. How the hell does that work in police work?
Now you get Cult of Chucky, a psychiatric hospital that will for sure have security cameras showing three dolls up and about killing people. Oh wait, the last Chucky doll may have destroyed the video footage off-screen like he did in Curse, off-screen. But even then, Chucky expects police to think the nurse and the multiple personality guy to have committed the murders, yet the one victim had his head crushed in with a red heel worn by the paraplegic, who is now missing. And how can a paraplegic stomp his head in when she's FUCKING PARAPLEGIC? And how do they expect to write off the dolls as being not possessed when the doll Andy caved in clearly has blood and shit that will, almost 30 years later, show that its DNA matches the once dead serial killer Charles Lee Ray.
While I love the first movie (which was re-written by other people who weren't Don Mancini), these sequels that Don Mancini wrote and directed have seriously gotten fucking ridiculous.