As expected, the fake rightwing “fans” of Star Wars are complaining about a black woman villain. And that is what they focus on.
Understand this. Star Wars has always been a progressive franchise. It’s about a group of rebels fighting a fascist Empire. Even the casting of Leia and, later, of Lando, was about progressive inclusion. There is nothing wrong with casting a POC and woman as Reva. So far, this character is doing her job well.
This franchise is not for rightwingers and their usual bigotry.
So, the rightwing “fans” should just leave this board. You are not true fans and you don’t belong here.
You people think everything is progressive just because at some point in time, they added a black person or female character. Give me a break. Everything woke becomes garbage and all of this forced diversity and the hiring of mediocre POC actors to meet these quotas is what's killing these once great franchises.
ALL Hollywood studios and streaming services have mandated diversity quotas which is why everything made these days is much more diverse than in decades past. Google it.
I know, right?
I usually refrain from ignore functions, never needed them. Times change, however.
My ignore list on this board is rather massive by now and as soon as I stumble over someone that is clearly just a shittily programmed NPC, I pull the plug. Life is too short to waste it with the drivel of cunts.
Meaning she is an obvious diversity hire like most black characters/actors in recent years and it really shows but god forbid anyone notice that pattern and point it out or object to it as clear evidence of White replacement for fear of being labelled a racist nazi bigot.
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Meaning she is an obvious diversity hire like most black characters/actors in recent years and it really shows but god forbid anyone notice that pattern and point it out or object to it as clear evidence of White replacement for fear of being labelled a racist nazi bigot
I don't see. I just see your fear of being labelled "a racist nazi bigot" yourself. Which is - let's be honest - just a label issued by not that well educated people using simple boilerplates.
I noticed that he wrote "White" (with capital) which I'd call a little...odd. But I agree that it is a simple marketing step to add certain characters to attract a bigger audience. So it has nothing to do with the "praise of diversity" but it is just about money.
I swear, some of these fanboy assholes only like Star Wars because it's about a male virgin finding out he has superpowers! That's what they care about, not all that blather about doing right and fighting evil or anything.
Is that what you've taken away from the posts from those not impressed - the reason is because of the inquisitors color of skin? Ive read dozens of posts about Obi Wan on this site and others and not a single person expressed the reason they don't like is because she is black, their arguments are because they "believe" she was hired only because of the color of skin and many comment on her poor acting.if its true she was hired because of skin tone, then it would also be true to say that someone else wasn't hired because of their skin tone.
These dirtbags are why I've never gotten involved with the fandom, there are so many "fans" who are filled to the brim with hate and anger, they've seen the movies a bazillion times and learned nothing from them, and all they want to do is yell and ruin the discussion for everyone. And some of them aren't just awful human beings, they're racists as well, and they're going to bitch and bitch about the new villainess because she's the new target for their obsessive hate.
That's what they get out of all the joy and beauty of "Star Wars", targets for their obsessive hate.
Racists and incels always complain about what they label as "affirmative action" hires because they expect ALL HIRES to be white men. That self-entitlement from right-wing white males is racism and misogyny.
White males only make up 30% of the population, but believe entitled to 100% of the main roles in TV series and movies!
I love how people seem to think they are the sole guardians of who a true fan is and who a toxic fan is. No, Lando and Leia were NOT cast because of their race and sex. They were cast because they were the perfect actors for those stories. Lando's character had nothing to do with the color of his skin and because of Billy Dee William's talent, charisma and energy, he is one of the BEST and most iconic Star Wars characters.
The problem with this actress and her character is she wasn't cast because of character. She WAS cast because of the color of her skin and need for diversity. Maybe if the directors and creators would stop trying to force this view on fans, people wouldn't see it in the show. When interviews go around and the discussion isn't 'I'm really excited for this character because of the depth of the story' and instead, we get 'I really love this character because it's about time diversity found it's way into a franchise I could care less about and if you don't like it, you're racist' that's a major problem.
No one cared that Finn was black. Everyone cared about this exciting idea of an ex storm trooper. No one cared that Rosario Dawson plays Ahsoka. I don't even like the prequel anything but I loved the Ahsoka character and Rosario played her perfectly. No one cared that the actor playing Jar Jar was black. We just cared that the character (not Ahmed Best's fault) sucked.
There's a lot of diversity in Star Wars even though you "Lefties" don't want to acknowledge it because it doesn't fit your narrative. You want people to like this black female character, tell the actress to shut the hell up and act. If the character was good, you wouldn't need to defend them the way you do.
No one cared that Finn was black. Everyone cared about this exciting idea of an ex storm trooper.
And that would have been a 100 times more interesting story than the shit show they actually put out. But no they had to push there strong female character above all others and turned Finn into a stupid comic relief who liked to constantly scream her name.
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I agree. I didn't hate Rey in the first movie. Yea, I rolled my eyes at the obligatory 'I'm a woman, I don't need a man' stuff but that's just how women are written now and I just have to get over it. I actually didn't mind Force Awakens at all. I think the only thing I didn't care for was cutting Poe out of half the movie. He disappears and doesn't show up till then end. It's fine but When you open the movie so strong with him and Finn, it really disappointed me he wasn't in more.
As for Finn, I definitely was disappointing in the bait and switch with him. The storm trooper story line was very interesting. Him possibly being able to be a Jedi was interesting. I loved how heroic he was and wish he had been given some payoff to those heroic deeds. Instead, most of his actions failed or he got saved by other people. All for the sake of making Rey look stronger. I'm sorry John Boyega left the series feeling bitter. Disney really treated him wrong.
I’m not confused that you’re totally silent in response to the actual poster that eviscerated your post. It looks like everyone else in this thread is likewise taking you to task while you’re flailing at a bystander
I apologize if I came across “in bad faith.” I read your original post to me as a bit condescending in calling me “confused.” It does seem unusual however, that you are addressing Melissa’s opposing points by posting to me. It gives the impression - however inaccurate it may be - that you don’t want to respond to her directly because you know the system will alert her and you don’t want to deal with her response. I’m willing to listen to your basis for your original point and eager to see you defend it to those who have the knowledge about Star Wars to frame an opposing view.
I have no reason to be afraid to her responses. This is just a message board.
A few years ago, I would’ve responded. But, now, what is the point?
Arguing with Melissa, is just like arguing with Amber Heard. She is just going to double down on her lies.
Anyway, I pointed out her lie about no one caring about Finn being black.
I remember when the teaser of the TFA came out and rightwingers having a meltdown. In the old IMDB, some rightwinger said that he was upset with Finn because Star Wars was supposed to be a “white male fantasy.”
John Boyega was aware of this backlash and tweeted:
“To whom it may concern … Get used to it,”
If you are going lie about something so obvious, you are not worth my time.
Nothing but good will to you from me. I did not know about Boyega’s comment but looked it up and saw the obnoxious people he dealt with. I now see what you were talking about with that example. There are obnoxious people from all political persuasions As you can tell I lean conservative but I don’t know if that means I’m a “right winger” that you were fired up about. I agree with you that the Star Wars movies I watched as a kid were meant explicitly to portray a wide diversity of heroic and villain characters from all races genders and species. When it came to the heroes, the whole point was to show the audience nobility could reside in anyone regardless of their demographics. Clearly that was meant as a metaphor for the real world. I do however believe that when it came to the Star Wars movies I watched, Billy Dee Williams and Samuel Jackson and James Earl Jones were black actors widely beloved in Star Wars or otherwise by most everyone left or right Anyway, I hope we’ve found some common ground and I look forward to more chats with you in the future - even if we disagree.
While Star Wars had political allegories, it was not this political as we see in the forums.
People loved all the characters, regardless of race or gender.
My issue today is that there are threads and posts criticizing Reva and the first thing they emphasize is that she is a black woman. If they were just talking about her acting skills or writing, I wouldn’t be mad.
Yes, this is the kind of discussion I want to have in these forums. I hope we continue chatting. Cheers. 🍺
If you can prove this Boyega stuff I'll believe it, but I don't. There was never any backlash against Lando or Mace Windu so why would there be backlash against Boyega? I know toxic, involuntarily celibate Reylos like you want there to be a backlash so you can virtue signal, though.
“What I would say to Disney is do not bring out a black character, market them to be much more important in the franchise than they are and then have them pushed to the side. It’s not good"
^Now THIS I believe. Disney bigots definitely treated his character shabbily. I can confirm this.
“Nobody else in the cast had people saying they were going to boycott the movie because [they were in it],” he continued. “Nobody else had the uproar and death threats sent to their Instagram DMs and social media, saying, ‘Black this and Black that and you shouldn’t be a stormtrooper.’ Nobody else had that experience. But yet people are surprised that I’m this way. That’s my frustration.”
"She said no one cared Finn was black. That is a lie. Rightwingers had a meltdown the moment they saw Finn in the teaser of TFA."
NO, the FANS had a meltdown because traditionally Stormtroopers are clones of Fett. Which clones cannot and shouldn't been black. As soon as the reason for which Stormtroopers are not clones any more is explained, nobody cared anymore.
Well, idiots like you might think that you can clone a latino guy and get a black clone.
NO, the FANS had a meltdown because traditionally Stormtroopers are clones of Fett. Which clones cannot and shouldn't been black. As soon as the reason for which Stormtroopers are not clones any more is explained, nobody cared anymore.
Which shows that they are not true fans. True fans know that Storm Troopers and Clone Troopers are not the same. Even back then.
Besides, this is set thirty years after ROTJ. There was no rule that it had to be a Jango Fett clone.
I was there. They complained Finn was black, just like they are complaining Reva is black.
Well, idiots like you might think that you can clone a latino guy and get a black clone
Thank you very much. I'm sorry you don't know more about Star Wars. Take some time and watch the movies. Watch them in release order. Original three, prequels, and Disney sequels then move to the other movies and shows. I say this because the movies are products of their time so you get to see them evolve both in effects, story lines and the political stuff that has riled many fans. Don't listen to the hype on either side and just watch them for enjoyment. We all have our favorite timelines and stories but you shouldn't let all the controversy ruin the films for you. They are worth seeing at least once.
"No, Lando and Leia were NOT cast because of their race and sex. They were cast because they were the perfect actors for those stories. Lando's character had nothing to do with the color of his skin and because of Billy Dee William's talent, charisma and energy, he is one of the BEST and most iconic Star Wars characters."
I don't disagree with your assessment of BDW's talent, however, it was very well known at the time (1980) why he was being cast as Lando. There were many complaints (silly ones, I think), that Vader was "racist" because he was voiced by a black man and had a black outfit. This was widely reported and known a the time.
"The problem with this actress and her character is she wasn't cast because of character. She WAS cast because of the color of her skin and need for diversity."
I can't disagree with this. Certainly, she was hired to include a black female character in the story. I find her motivations vague and her performance a bit one note. Whether this is her fault or the scriptwriters fault (or both?) remains to be seen. Maybe she'll grow into the role, and maybe the story will iron out her less than clear motivations... or maybe not.
"No one cared that Finn was black."
Go back into the archives at filmboards.com. You will see there was plenty of I'm not saying EVERYONE cared, but quite a few did.
"No one cared that Rosario Dawson plays Ahsoka."
I personally don't care for her portrayal. I don't think she was the right choice. Something about her eyes that doesn't work. They are too hard and lack the warmth of the Clone Wars character, and same thing with her voice.
"No one cared that the actor playing Jar Jar was black."
I don't recall any racist stuff either, although there were complaints directed at Lucas due to the Caribbean accent and look of the character. Didn't bother me that much, but it did some people.
I don't disagree with your assessment of BDW's talent, however, it was very well known at the time (1980) why he was being cast as Lando. There were many complaints (silly ones, I think), that Vader was "racist" because he was voice by a black man and had a black outfit. This was widely reported and known a the time.
To build on that, there were complaints that there were no black people in A New Hope.
That is why ESB and ROTJ were much more diverse. Not only black actors, but Asian and Latinos as well.
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I know for a fact the "race" of Darth Vader was always an issue for some (both from the white and black perspective). David Prowse is dead now, so I can say tell this story. I met Prowse in person at a Star Wars convention some years ago. This was before the gargantuan "Star Wars Celebrations" of today. Well, not so much "met". I was in the same room with him at a panel, so I saw him in person. Anyway, I'm sure you've seen raw footage from ANH were Prowse is speaking the lines in his own Yorkshire accent. The performance is terrible. Prowse has claimed over the years that he had the understanding that his own voice would be used in he the final cut, and wasn't aware he had been re-voiced by James Earl Jones until he watched the film at the premier. This was some 20 years later, and Prowse was still complaining about how his voice should have been used. It made me and some others in the audience a bit uncomfortable and embarrassed for him for not acknowledging what Jones had brought to the role and how important his voice was to selling the character. He then said that Billy Dee Williams had been hired to "appease the black faction in the United States". My impression of Prowse was that he was a very working class Brit who felt that his union job had been taken away by a black actor (a Yank black actor no less), and he was still nursing this grudge decades later. I have heard other people with anecdotal accounts of Prowse's resentment towards James Earl Jones for "stealing his job", so this wasn't an isolated incident. Yes, race has always been a thing in Star Wars.
P.S. I found Prowse a very charming and interesting fellow despite that sour note. I'm not saying he was an evil person, but he was a working class product of his time (Enoch Powell, etc.) and still carried some of that baggage.
A New Hope was a practically all white movie. They were hired because they were white since white = generic.
Black moviegoers who helped make Star Wars a success complained about the racism which is the reason Billy Dee Williams was hired for The Empire Strikes Back.
White racists did complain about Finn being played by a black actor! You may find some old posts on this site about it. Their argument was that stormtroopers were clones and should all be white. Only the original stormtroopers were clones, slowly replaced by enlisted men which I told them.
If you're focusing on this character's race, which you are, then that's all you care about and you're a racist.
Huh? The clones were never Latino. If you're referring to Temuera Morrison who played Jango Fett, he's Māori and partially white. Before the prequels, it was assumed that the stormtroopers were all white men. Lucas moved towards more inclusion for the prequels.
BTW, Latino is an ethnicity , not a race. There are white, black, Indian and mixed Latinos.
The rabid racist fans complained about Finn's race long before the movie came out.
but guess what: the sequels (you know, when Finn is introduced) are AFTER the prequels that established that Fett was NOT white.
People complaining about his race were worried on how he will be introduced, stupidly as a clone or will they give him a different background. And in this age the worries are justified. Look on how Anne Boleyn was made to be ... black against any reason/logic.
No, the original trilogy had a white actor as Boba, but he never removed his helmet.
It's the prequels which establish Fett as nonwhite with Maori actors.
Finn has nothing to do with the Fetts. The stormtroopers are children forcibly removed from their homes by the First Order.
No, those "fans" were just racists and still are.
King Tut was black, but white actors play him! Furthermore, most people are too stupid and uneducated to know that he was black. At least people know Ann Boleyn was white. Of course, most people are too stupid and uneducated to know that black people lived in Tudor England.
I think it would be unfair to single her out. The show's writing is pretty bad - at least so far.
Even if she WAS a good actress I doubt she could pull off her character.
I'm hoping that she'll improve. Her character has just gained her independence and shown her true strength, she's at the crux where she ought to stop being the perfect Assistant Inquisitor, and start being her real badass psycho self.
So far I haven't been thrilled with her performance (or the special effects department's attempt to show what a badass she is, that scene was dark but still looked clumsy), so I'm hoping she'll open up and blossom into the kind of villain I love to hate.
I'd love to share your optimism but so far they have been doing a cliche "angry female".
The pseudo-jedi was literally the only bright spot... Until he forgot he was a conman after like 15 minutes.
Actually, they should make a show about him: a grifter pretending to be a Jedi and making a living "doing magic" on the Outer worlds and then unwittingly becoming a target or something and having eventually to step up.
I thought she was trying to do "barely contained psycho", not "cliche angry female"! Cliche angry females don't chop off people's hands just because they're a bit miffed! But yeah, right now the character needs to change from "barely contained psycho" to "completely uninhibited psycho", now that the brakes are off. I hope she can pull it off, and bring a bit of psychotic glee into her role, all my favorite villains enjoy being a villain!
But yeah, the fake Jedi was a highlight, I hope they bring him back! He might be my favorite new character!
She simply doesn't look right. A knock kneed fat has with a fat face doesn't look like a Jedi or Sith, she look more like a soccer mom at a costume party. Maybe they could have cast her as one of the Hutts. But she needs to lose weight and learn to act.
Pointing out poor casting decisions isn't racist or rightwing simply because the poor casting was for a black woman that doesn't have the acting skills to be in an infomercial. Who doesn't belong in any intelligent discussion is some liberal cunt that doesn't have the brain cells to have an intelligent conversation and chirps racism like some parrot because it's the only word they use when their ignorance is pointed out. In other words, piss off cunt.
You started this thread and the only person yapping about her skin color is you. Others have clearly stated she doesn't fit the part, some clearly stating because she can't act for shit. I don't give a fuck if they cast the character as a black, asian or whatever the fuck race they want... but if they want to cast the character as a black woman they need one that looks the part and that can act. Even if she could act she doesn't look the part. Then again the casting in this show has been pretty shitty, just look at the little fucker they used for Leia, she has a forehead you could land a plane on which is completely wrong for what we know Carrie Fischer had. Women don't have hair magically start growing down their forehead so here you have a white girl that doesn't look right for the part. The problem is the casting for the show is shit.
I have checked back through every thread title in the Obi Wan Forum and not a single title states anyhting about the actors skin colour. In fact not a single new thread even references this woman.
This is the titles of the 1st page of threads. Where are these right wingers upset that Reva is black?
Inquisitors are stupid
How can Han Solo not have heard of Jedi and the Force...
This is a Prequel
Wow so you cant actually buy any of the SW stream series on dvd/blu
spoiler- why wasnt the villian there
Great so we lose "Spoiler"
Can they Drop the Leia story now.. it felt like they were going with the Mando and baby yoda plot
The action/chase sequences..
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I started this thread because of the other threads and topics started by the rightwingers.
Threads. Plural.
So by that your entire defintion of right wingers (again plural) is one person who didn't actually state she was bad because she was black it was actually the typical trolls on this site that twist everyones words and just scream racism at any criticism of black people.
The Grand Inquisitor who looks like a really cool bad ass adapted from the animated show, and we get an uninteresting agenda character as our main villain, cause shes black check and a woman check, so automatically she kills the far superior male character, cause of course she does cause she has a vagina.
Who looks more like a Star Wars villain? Grand Inquisitor? or this lanky little black woman with attitude? Doesn't matter the woman wins, everytime, cause agenda. She'll likely kill the other male Inquisitor as well before its over and it'll be a squads of 3 Inquisitor females.
This is his post. Where does he state she is a bad actor because she is black. All I see is someone pointing out the female centric Disney which is exactly what it is. This show like all the others will be another Disney bait and switch. Use the more popular male character to advertise the show when infact it is about the less interesting female character that no one cares about.
Weird how the woman's race bugs you this much...
And here it begins. Where does he state that her race bugs him. It doesn't. But because he just mentions that she is black then that is automatic racism with you lefty wierdos.
So yes you are lying. You have picked one poster and twisted his words like all the other lefty idiots to fit your narrative and then you yourself gone on a rant about it.
Now call me a right winger and go away. Would be funny that to be honest considering where I live.
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I'm not bothered by her fucking race, i'm saying the creators of the show are using her race and sex to check boxes, and its pretty obvious. Shes a terrible actress, shes not in the role for her amazing acting. She sticks out like a sore thumb with the Inquisitors, no business at all being part of their squad but to check boxes, why else you think shes not pale like the others? gotta show us shes black
Are you related to Smollett?? Because you lie just like him.
Reminds me of that story with a shop owner stopping a black individual on the way out. And the black is like "what, are you stopping me because I'm black?? Racist!!!" and the shop owner is like "no, I'm stopping you because I have you on camera, shoplifting".
You just can't stop playing the race card, can you?
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People are complaining about her acting skills and draw the conclusion that since she wasn't hired for her skills she was hired for her skin color. NO ONE would say anything about her being black if she was decent.
Reminds me of a friend, black and very athletic, we were joking about a shoplifter that was running from the store and the guards couldn't catch him.
When I said "well, if you were to run I could never catch you either" and he was like "what, because I'm black???". No motherfucker, because you're highly trained.
Some people, like you, see racism everywhere and where is not. Like in this case.
Stating that she was hired due to her gender/race just to tick some boxes (because obviously she wasn't hired for her skill) is not racist. It's just stating a fact.
If I tell you that my manager at a previous job told me that he cannot convert me from contractor to permanent because I'm white and would had been a formality if I was black or another minority that would mean that I'm racist???
The Empire is supposed to be racist and fascist, yet they hire the straight out of the projects girl to chase Obi-Wan? It's so ridiculous, I don't care how much of a former youngling turned dark Jedi she is, the Empire and its Inquisitor Division would not hire her--period.
There is no indication that racism exists in Star Wars (outside of droids that aren't allowed in drinking establishments). It probably SHOULD exist, it probably MUST exist, but we aren't told that it does in this universe. The only reason the original trilogy had so few non-white actors was because that was a reflection of when (1970s to early 80s) and where (England) it was filmed. It wasn't implying it was a racist society, aside from droids (droidist?). Other races are markedly more present in the prequel trilogy, and this trend has increased in the Disney era. The Star Wars universe itself didn't get more or less "racist" or "diverse", the films and shows were made in a period of greater diversity in casting. I won't argue Ingram's casting was good or worked. I will withhold judgement on Reva until I know exactly why she is the way she is. I do think this was a mistake to not make her agenda clear from the start.
I swear you guys are dumb as fuck. In ANH the empire IS the essence of racism and it's a clear symbol for the 3d Reich. All are white (and is not yet established that the Stormtroopers are mostly clones of some colored Bounty Hunter).
FFS, Vader even makes the salute every time he strangles someone ...
There is nothing in ANH which indicates that the Empire is racially motivated. The prequels don't indicate this either. We follow mostly human characters because we are humans and want to see our own as heroes.
The Rebellion is (mostly) human, (mostly) male, and all white in the first one as well. We get Lando in Empire, but only Lando. In fact, we only see four people of color (Lando, a cloud city guard, and two of Jabba's dancers) and only three female characters (Leia, Beru and Mon Mothma) of any significance in the first three films. We get a quick glimpse of a few female and black x-wing and y[wing pilots. Do we ever see inside the helmets of the Imperial pilots and storm troopers, so how do we know what color they were? So representativeness wasn't considered important in Star Wars up until the prequels. I wouldn't read any "Empire Is Racist/Sexist" into that. Maybe it's true, but maybe it isn't. I chalk it up to them being made in the 1970s and 80s in a predominantly white countries (USA and UK). Anyway, the prequels put paid to the idea that only humans can be evil or help the Empire.