The incel phenomena

It's just yet another bullshit internet label used to insult people. Apparently some people, especially Americans, like to label each other with the purpose of insulting, especially when they discuss on the internet, where people also have started to use the term Gay as a general insult, for example. This was never so when the net was primarily used by businesses and universities, it has been downgraded by juvenilia since around the new millennium. Back in the nineties I also never saw the use of "would of", I was actually pretty confused when I first saw that, but people from non-English speaking countries now copy this just because they copy American English thinking that must be the way to communicate on the Net. That in combination with so called memic and viral spreading of often short lived terms make people use such terms.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with US America or Americans, but because the US is dominant on the net, and communication just so happens to be in English, the terminologies usually spread from there. Since the net became a place for everybody, it also allowed people of a young age to participate in discussions on the net and wild spread of stupid insults is the result, because they tend to be quick to copy new trends.

So, basically it does not matter what "Incel" means, it's just yet another tool in internet discussions. It's what you use when you have no real argument in a discussion, and as such is an ad hominem, which is a desperate attempts at a come back against a superior argument.

Basically anyone who uses these kind of words in a discussion, whether on Movie Chat or other places, have already lost the argument, similar to Godwin's law. Unfortunately as the press people also read the internet bullshit, they are influenced by this. Basically journalists in their thirties are influenced by ten-year-olds on the net.

I don’t know much about the subject to engage discussion, but I do have a question regarding Incels having their own language, in particular what does the chavs mean in regard to them?

I know Chavs are kind of “subculture” of trashy young people from council flats in the UK, notably parodied in the character of Vicky Pollard in Little Britain.

Is there another meaning of the word?

It wasn't the media that invented it. They've picked up on it, yes. And misunderstood it like they do most things that are internet culture

I struggled with women when I was young too. LOTS of men have struggled since the dawn of time. But I kept at it and eventually "cracked the code" on talking to them. Which is basically just develop enough all-around social skills that you aren't repulsive. Luckily, I was born just old enough that during my struggling years I didn't stumble upon a self-pitying community and allow myself to stagnate. Anyway, after developing some minor social skills, I stumbled upon this incel culture and found it fascinating. They have online forums where they talk about their frustration

You are looking at things the wrong way. There is a documentary on incels on YT that is pretty fascinating

A young man who can't get laid tends to "put the pussy on a pedestal". These guys just take that to an extreme. Some "factions" focus on how ugly they are. They believe that the main thing preventing them from finding love is their looks and that's really what mating comes down to. In reality, even if they are ugly, they also have many other flaws and they may also be trying to get girls that are just out of their league. Others focus more on being poor or being socially awkward

What they all have in common is stubbornness and zero self-awareness. They are, for the most part, sexist AF. They describe single moms as undesirable despite the fact that they themselves think being found undesirable makes them worthy of sympathy. They tend to view women as one homogeneous group that all thinks and acts the same. I think that it is, in part, a mental disorder. Or at least it is a result of one or more mental disorders. Many of them probably fall on the Autism Spectrum. Many probably have Anxiety issues that they aren't addressing

From what I've witnessed of it, some of them are decent people. They are just lonely and confused. But some are very toxic

there are none...... just a made up word by a few, blown out of proportion by libcunts and feminists

The entire ‘manosphere’, whether it’s incels, MGTOW, or PUA’s is made up of entitled, delusional manbabies who think women owe them something. They think women should have their rights taken away so that they have no other choice but to marry and be financially dependent on losers like them. Many are Christian fundies and are the scum of the earth. Their beliefs are in line with backwards radical Islam. The only reason they oppose immigration from third world / developing nations is because they don’t want sexual competition. But they lack the self-awareness to realize how pathetic they are.

And I’ve been to the forums, so don’t try to convince me otherwise.

I've just left the film feeling the best I've felt in a long, long time.

Joker is a love letter for all us low-status males (not necessarily incels!) who suffer under a system ruled by the rich and powerful which idolises women and make men shut up and accept the societal induced failures. They perpetuate this urban myth of privilege and weaponize it to rub it in all our faces. The director Todd Phillips clearly understands this, the overtones throughout the film prove there is a subset of men in Hollywood who despite being afraid to speak up understand the failings of the system and want to liberate us. If the only way of saying they sympathise with us is by dressing it up as a comic book movie then that's fine by me, the message was successfully delivered and as a testament of that I started to well up several times throughout the film.

I just can't stop thinking about it.

Some people can be involuntarily celibate.

I have a relative who has been in a wheel chair most of his life, is paralyzed from the waist down and has very little muscle control above the waist.

Involuntary celibacy is really a lie. There are people out there for anyone. I've seen some of the ugliest people in the world that are married and happy, certainly people that would appear much less likely to ever have a significant other than most of these so called Incel idiots. The reality is these "Incels" don't have a partner because of how they behave and their refusal to change themselves so that they can find someone. Some of them are probably the product of the participation trophy generation that gives little Billy a trophy just for showing up at the ball field even when he can't play and never bothered to even try.

Well when little Billy grows up he seems to think that he is entitled to have gorgeous women come begging him for sex. It doesn't work like that but little Billy never learned that you have to work to get what you want not just sit back and have it come to you. So let's stop using the word "incel" and call it what it is, losers, lazy losers... or since the snowflakes love to just take parts of words to create a new one we'll call them a lazlo... for lazy loser. Now we have a word that actually fits what it is describing.