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Comparing Booth and Dalton -- Spoilers


Cliff Booth (Brad Pitt) is the real deal. He's the genuine embodiment of the John Wayne archetype that Rick Dalton (Leonardo DiCaprio) plays in his films, yet his life pales in comparison to that of Dalton's. He spends his days running errands for Dalton, constantly reassuring him that he's worthwhile, but lives in a trailer behind a drive-in while Dalton lives in luxury. Dalton got famous pretending to be Booth onscreen.

Throughout the film we see Booth effortlessly navigating dangerous situations. Whether he is casually leaping onto a rooftop to fix an antenna or talking smack to Bruce Lee then backing it up with his fists, he's a real life cowboy. His scene at Spahn Ranch is basically a real life Western. He shows up, confronts the band of outlaws, does what he says he going to do, then turns the tables on the punk who let the air out his tire. He's a bad ass and then some.

Meanwhile, Dalton is wrought with indecision and insecurity, and only shines in a pretend Western. He has to dig deep and really channel a character, and focus on the fact that he's acting. He cries over the approval of an 8-year-old girl. After his scene, in which he's compared to another famously overwrought fellow, Hamlet, he basks in congratulations for being tough in the moment of fake danger.

Then comes the end, where Booth does all the fighting, gets stabbed, kills two of Manson's clan outright, and mortally wounds the third, who staggers into the pool and would have drowned anyway, when Dalton, in an over-the-top fake Hollywood manner, as opposed to Pitt doing it with his fists and his faithful dog, burns her to death with a flamethrower. And then, of course, Dalton is given all the credit. He ends up relating his heroic tale to Sharon Tate and her friends while Booth is being taken to the hospital, and the film ends with him being granted entrance to the New Hollywood that had previously shut him out, and leaving behind the Old Hollywood, and the best friend who gave him access to it.

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I think that is a great analysis, start to finish. Thank you!

These two guys are allegedly BOTH the heroes of the story...but its Cliff who gets things done, to the end, and Rick who benefits, to the end.

Tarantino has recently said of actors looking at this script: "Everybody wanted to play Cliff."

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I think everyone wants to BE Cliff.

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The Rick Dalton character was way more awesome!

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How so?

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His hilarious intolerance of hippies and the way the character acts.

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What other actor, if any, could you see in the role of Cliff Booth?

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There are only so many "A level" movie stars in Hollywood at any given time, and I think Brad Pitt was the best choice, and the best "fit" for the role.

That said, a few possibilities:

Tom Cruise...who was evidently actually under consideration to play Cliff. I wonder if Tom balked at sharing the credits with Leo(usually, the name "Tom Cruise" is the only name above the credits.) Cruise could have played Cliff in his "Jack Reacher" mode -- fake working class, low boil, sudden ability to beat everybody up. But let's face it -- there is still a bit of the "boy" in Cruise. And he projects "privilege."

Matt Damon....in the beginning, I never thought he was much of a movie star(as critic Anthony Lane said, "Cary Grant would have tipped Matt Damon five dollars to park his car") , but The Bourne Identity films made him one...and a very tough hand-to-hand combat action star to boot. So Damon was "name" enough to play Cliff. But he, too, is fighting "the inner boy" and lacks both the cool and the ladies-man aspects of Brad Pitt.

I would add that both Cruise and Damon have the "middle aged fitness" necessary to play Cliff. But Pitt's still got some abs...

Michael Madsen . A "wild card." He has a short bit in OAITH. Is he too old and not fit enough for Cliff? I'm not sure. What Madsen does have is a quiet, smoldering quality that "explodes." Consider both his psycho in Reservoir Dogs and his strip club bouncer in Kill Bill 2. Both of those roles have aspects of Cliff within them.

Jason Statham: If he could kill his accent...maybe. Grow his hair? Wear a wig?

Note that by the nature of the role itself, the actor has to be white (rules out Will Smith and Jaime Foxx) and has to look similar to Leo.

All things considered, I think they got the right man with Brad Pitt.

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That's a solid list, but I agree-- none work for me the way Pitt does. Besides the fact that he and DiCaprio have similar looks and builds, Pitt is convincing as a tough guy. Tom Cruise is too small, and it's always hard for me to believe him as a tough guy. Damon is allegedly 5'10 to Pitt's 5'11, but when you see them stand side by side it looks like like 5'7 and 5'11. Regardless, Damon *seems* short and squat onscreen, and he lacks the acting chops of Pitt.

It's tough thinking of a second choice. Not only does the actor need to be right around 6'0 tall and have a similar build and features to DiCaprio, he needs to be handsome, charismatic, and convincingly tough. I'm really drawing a blank here. I could name about a dozen actors from the past, but it seems it's a type Hollywood doesn't cast much anymore.

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(walks into an empty room five years later..)

How about Bradley Cooper?

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Physically he's a good match as the stunt double. I haven't seen him enough to have a worthwhile opinion on his acting chops.

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It seems it is unanimous here that no other current actors would have fit the bill for Booth and Dalton.

Does anyone have any suggestions from actors from the past?

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The actor that immediately came to mind for DiCaprio's role while watching the film was George Maharis. He had a similar career trajectory, and I think there was even a movie poster for Rick Dalton that was based on Maharis' Land Raiders. I don't think he has the acting chops of DiCaprio, and this may just be me recognizing his story in the Dalton role, but it might work. For Booth, a fitting opposite number to Maharis might be Steve McQueen. Like Pitt to DiCaprio, McQueen is the tougher and more rugged actor, and he'd have perfectly fit the Booth character type.

I could also see Burt Reynolds in either role. He'd make a convincing Booth, but might be even better as Dalton. No one come to mind to pair with him. An out of left field choice might be to cast Cary Grant as Dalton, and Reynolds as Booth.

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I had thought a 40 something Charles Bronson could have played the part of Booth but I’m not sure who he could be paired with.

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You're spot on with Reynolds. I just read that these characters are loosely based on Burt Reynolds and his stunt double, and good friend, Hal Needham.

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The actor that immediately came to mind for DiCaprio's role while watching the film was George Maharis. He had a similar career trajectory, and I think there was even a movie poster for Rick Dalton that was based on Maharis'

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There's that funny bit in the movie where Rick tells James Stacy(Timothy Olyphant) that "the Georges" were up for The Great Escape: George Maharis, George Peppard, George Chakiris.

I think that is the three that Rick names, and in 1969, there were at least two OTHER Georges who were actually becoming major stars: George C. Scott and George Segal.

The fate of the "three Georges" mentioned by Leo:

George Peppard actually got to be a movie star for about ten years, from "Breakfast at Tiffany's"(in a role Steve McQueen wanted!) through How the West Was Won, on to the huge hit The Carpetbaggers and then the reserved seat attraction The Blue Max. In "OAITH," we see George Peppard on the marquee in his new movie "Pendulum" at the theater across the street from the one where Sharon Tate sees "The Wrecking Crew."

George Peppard's movie stardom petered out in the early 70's and he switched to TV, first as "Banacek" in the 70's and then more successfully with "The A Team" in the 80's.

Meanwhile, George Maharis walked off of Route 66 and into a losing movie career. I can only recall one major movie on Maharis' resume -- The Satan Bug(1965), a John Sturges thriller with Maharis tracking a mad scientist(Richard Basehart) who has stolen a deadly biochemical. I vaguely recall George Maharis getting one or two more movies, but back to TV he went...and then he disappeared.

George Chakiris won the Oscar for "West Side Story"(Supporting Actor 1961) but played "ethnic" parts in the main after that film. I don't recall much longevity to his career.

No, the "star Georges" were Scott, Segal...and Peppard.

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I think the reason Maharis came to mind as Dalton's real-life inspiration while watching was the way he left Bounty Law then failed in acting. That and the poster with DiCaprio subbed in for Maharis planted that seed, but in truth he's an amalgamation of all the leading men who failed to adjust to the new Hollywood.

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I think the reason Maharis came to mind as Dalton's real-life inspiration while watching was the way he left Bounty Law then failed in acting. That and the poster with DiCaprio subbed in for Maharis planted that seed, but in truth he's an amalgamation of all the leading men who failed to adjust to the new Hollywood.

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I understand now. Yes, George Maharis(unfortunately for him) is a classic example of a hot TV star who left a hit show(Route 66, which continued with Glenn Corbett as his replacement), tried movies(The Satan Bug), failed...and never really came back strong after that. I vaguely remember Maharis being in a few 1970's TV movies. I'll have to go to imdb and check his filmography.

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For Booth, a fitting opposite number to Maharis might be Steve McQueen. Like Pitt to DiCaprio, McQueen is the tougher and more rugged actor, and he'd have perfectly fit the Booth character type.

I could also see Burt Reynolds in either role. He'd make a convincing Booth, but might be even better as Dalton. No one come to mind to pair with him. An out of left field choice might be to cast Cary Grant as Dalton, and Reynolds as Booth.

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You're tripping through different types of actors in different stages of film history, there, but the message is clear: once upon a time there were plenty of actors available who could "play macho."

Here are some "random pairings" for Rick and Cliff :

George Maharis and Steve McQueen
Paul Newman and Burt Reynolds
Paul Newman and Steve McQueen
Burt Reynolds and Charles Bronson
Kurt Russell and Dennis Quaid
Kevin Costner and Kurt Russell



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I think that was the idea, right-- search the past for actors who might work in the film? I think the best combo yet is your choice of Newman and McQueen.

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I think that was the idea, right-- search the past for actors who might work in the film?

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Yes, and at ages they were IN the past. Kurt Russell and Dennis Quaid are too old for these roles today...but they likely might have gotten cast in the 1980's.

I suppose you could cast less "WASP" in one of the roles, and go for Arnold and Sly.

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I think the best combo yet is your choice of Newman and McQueen.

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Well, as we know, they were together as superstars in "The Towering Inferno" in 1974, but ALMOST were Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid(McQueen dropped out, Redford dropped in.) Newman and McQueen were, for a few years there, the top two male movie stars in Hollywood and as "Inferno" proved, McQueen was the more macho of the two; Newman the more suave.

QT suggested that in Leo DiCaprio and Brad Pitt, he had the Butch Cassidy stars Newman and REDFORD for today. But I think you'd have trouble casting Redford as the macho part of the team in OAITH.

Newman and McQueen. The perfect time, age and casting for OAITAH in 1974.

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I thought we had license to pluck any actor from any time, so I could have Warner Baxter and Burt Reynolds if I so desire. And honestly, having typed that, I kind of do. I maybe like that one as much as Newman/McQueen.

The true point, which is quite depressing, is that we don't have much to work with among today's crop of actors.

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I thought we had license to pluck any actor from any time, so I could have Warner Baxter and Burt Reynolds if I so desire.

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Hell, yes. I realized that we had expressed that "latitude" when you brought in Cary Grant and Burt Reynolds.

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And honestly, having typed that, I kind of do.

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Hmmm. Humphrey Bogart and Clint Eastwood?

No, they are too much of a mismatch.

Gary Cooper and Steve McQueen.

Closer.

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I maybe like that one as much as Newman/McQueen.

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Fair enough.

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The true point, which is quite depressing, is that we don't have much to work with among today's crop of actors.

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Well, a lot more Westerns and war movies used to be made. Here's some macho stars of the past: Clark Gable, Gary Cooper, Robert Mitchum, Kirk Douglas, Burt Lancaster, John Wayne, Richard Widmark, William Holden(sometimes), Jack Palance, Richard Boone, Dean Martin(sometimes, in Westerns), Frank Sinatra, James Garner, James Coburn, Rod Taylor...

Boy, the list does go on and on...

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When Rick succeeds, so does Cliff being his stunt double...

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Except that Cliff has been blacklisted, so more often than not Rick's working and Cliff isn't.

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Except that Cliff has been blacklisted, so more often than not Rick's working and Cliff isn't.

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That's right. The movie is a bit subtle on what is happening.

Cliff can't get work as a stuntman much anymore -- the combination of his wife's mysterious death and his fight with Bruce Lee had gotten him blacklisted. So now he is mainly Rick's driver(because Rick has too many DUIs and can't drive), "gofer" ...and friend.

Cliff lost his gainful employment (stunt man) in Hollywood first. Now, with Rick worried that his TV career is winding down to nothing, BOTH Rick AND Cliff look to be unemployed in Hollywood -- Rick won't even be able to pay Cliff to be his driver, etc.

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Just came across an article that provides a nice summary of the film and makes a similar point about the two main characters.

"Rick spent the movie trying to portray a hero; Cliff spent it being one—and like all heroes, he didn’t spend any time bringing attention to the fact."

The entire piece is worth reading, as it makes some salient points regarding some of the controversy over the portrayal of Tate in the film.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/08/tarantinos-most-transgressive-film/595309/

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CLIFF BOOTH 2020

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"film ends with him being granted entrance to the New Hollywood that had previously shut him out, and leaving behind the Old Hollywood, and the best friend who gave him access to it."

I hope that isn't the case and I find it hard to believe the Dalton char' would.

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Your reply was truncated, but I think I get what you were saying. I don't mean he was personally abandoning his friend. I meant that as Booth was being driven away in an ambulance, having suffered from an injury that would almost certainly end his career as a stuntman, Dalton was finally being allowed "behind the Green Door," and was on the cusp of starting a new acting career, one that likely wouldn't need a stuntman. He'd still be buddies with Booth, but the days of "them against the world" are over, and Booth will go back to his meager life in a trailer while Dalton will live among the Hollywood elite.

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I got the feeling his injuries would be recoverable for the indestructible Booth and would just amount to another set of scars. Dalton’s career takes off again and Booth joins him again as his trusty stuntman and friend.

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Booth mentions as he being carted away that he might have a limp afterwards.

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He'll likely have a limp, but there's also a clear implication that moving forward, Dalton is going to be performing in more modern roles. No more westerns or retro action flicks that require a stuntman, but rather films like Polanski made-- psychological thrillers, crime noir dramas, films that require the acting chops he was able to channel in the earlier scene.

By 1969 the rugged leading man days of Hollywood have wound down, and the meek anti-hero days have dawned. The leading men are no longer of the archetype from which Dalton's image was built. Suddenly hippie types like Kristoffer Tabori, Michael Sarrazin, and Chris Jones are getting leading roles. The hippie children of Dalton-esque actors are making movies-- Robert Walker, Jr., Peter Fonda. Even Arlo Guthrie is starring in films. Even actors we today think of as tougher or more staid-- Jack Nicholson and Michael Douglas come to mind-- got their start playing counter-culture, shaggy, hippie types.

The sense I got from that last scene was that between a new wife and a pass behind the Green Door into New Hollywood, Dalton no longer needs Rick the way he once did, and their friendship will never be the same.

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Your reply was truncated, but I think I get what you were saying. I don't mean he was personally abandoning his friend. I meant that as Booth was being driven away in an ambulance, having suffered from an injury that would almost certainly end his career as a stuntman, Dalton was finally being allowed "behind the Green Door," and was on the cusp of starting a new acting career, one that likely wouldn't need a stuntman. He'd still be buddies with Booth, but the days of "them against the world" are over, and Booth will go back to his meager life in a trailer while Dalton will live among the Hollywood elite.

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In the "immediate short term," I think Cliff as he was being trundled into the ambulance asked Rick both to look after his dog and to look after Rick's wife....and yet soon Rick has abandoned everybody to go up the driveway and hang with Sharon Tate.

Its a rueful little take on Hollywood ambition.

That said, with THIS "once upon a time ending," Rick and Cliff are about to be big, big heroes, and the doors of Hollywood will swing wide with all sorts of work, I would imagine. Maybe not movie stardom for Rick, but better TV roles. And maybe not stunt work for Cliff but....stunt coordinator? Rick's highly paid assistant?

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FilmBuff, good post. I've seen the movie and generally agree with you, other than the huge spoilers you included. You should have known enough to put a "Spoiler Alert" in your post.

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That's a solid list, but I agree-- none work for me the way Pitt does.

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Nope. Many a major director has said the key to making a good film -- maybe a great one -- is to cast correctly. Pitt was easy to accept as war hero/stunt man/reduced to driver Cliff. Cruise would have been less so. Damon even loss so than that.

However...I can see Tom Cruise or Matt Damon in the LEO role(Rick Dalton.) Cruise or Damon could have given us the cocky/scared aspects of a TV actor rather than the full-on tough guy that is Cliff Booth.

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Besides the fact that he and DiCaprio have similar looks and builds, Pitt is convincing as a tough guy. Tom Cruise is too small, and it's always hard for me to believe him as a tough guy. Damon is allegedly 5'10 to Pitt's 5'11, but when you see them stand side by side it looks like like 5'7 and 5'11. Regardless, Damon *seems* short and squat onscreen, and he lacks the acting chops of Pitt.

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All agreed, across the board. I accept that Matt Damon is a bankable star(Bourne, The Martian.) I still don't quite accept him as a REAL star. (And truth be told, The Martian aside, with Bourne done, Damon still struggles for hits.)

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. I'm really drawing a blank here. I could name about a dozen actors from the past, but it seems it's a type Hollywood doesn't cast much anymore.

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The "male ideal" has changed. It occurs to me that we have all these Marvel superheroes and that a lot of them have muscles(Chris Hemworth, Chris Evans) -- but they don't project "tough" and (like the Aquaman cuy), they don't project "real." Its the same with The Rock. He's "bigger than life," he could not have played Cliff.

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That did not occur to me, but you are correct, and I've amended the title.

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Great analysis of the 2 characters.
Now that we've seen Pitt play Cliff...and define the character, it will be tough to envision ANYONE else playing him.
Part of what made Pitt a great choice is....he has a weathered (but still very capable) look, and he owns it. He doesn't try to be a prettyboy anymore. He's a man with a lot of miles on him--and it shows.

But he's still an Alpha, and can play Alphas very well. Another poster said it already: Every guy wants to be Cliff. He rolls through life, rolls with the punches, and doesn't let life push him around.

Pitt is also a great choice because he's willing to go dark in a role (like the violence depicted in the final act). As great of an actor as Tom Cruise is, I don't know if even HE could pull off the dark parts of the role quite the way Pitt does. It would be interesting, though (Cruise was quite good in Collateral).

I think my favorite scene was the Spahn Ranch scene. Cliff never for one moment lost his cool or his nerve. He conveyed an Alpha. He never flinched and never showed even a hint of fear. A man in complete control. Pitt was so great in this movie...and I hope Oscar is taking notice.

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That’s a great analysis of the final scene, displaying the duality of the two characters and how their fates differed at the end.

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Fantastic analysis.

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Great post. Especially the last paragraph.

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