Even great directors can make terrible movies
Tenet is surely proof of that.
shareEven great idiot can produce an original thought. Let us know when that happens for you.
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Nope. It was excellent.
shareThen we are in total disagreement. Though I salute your steadfastness.
Agreed. One of the most interesting ideas I've seen in forever. No one else even tries any more. We get soap opera sequels of everything now. Sad.
shareSome people watch movies just to find fault.
shareIndeed. Frankly, most of the criticism of this movie on this board (and elsewhere) often comes off superficial.
Just "it's terrible" or "it doesn't makes sense". Movie's terrific, and indeed, it's nice to see things that try something new. The way he filmed the combat scenes, especially the final one, was fantastic.
I still wish he had adapted the novel, The City and the City. I thought that truly unfilmable until I saw this movie.
As superficial as the leads connection to the bad guys wife, and her connection to her 'son'?
shareBut do you at least understand what the film lays out?
shareNo, do you?
shareYes, I can explain It to you If you want.
shareSomeone has an IQ of 230.
shareWhat? You don't understand the time travel Nolan invented with this movie?
I don't say I understand everything that happens in the movie, but I understand the time travbbel he lays out.
I think it is more about a movie so boring whether you can finish it.
I assume you need to have a really high IQ and the propensity to dig into complex stuff to finish the movie.
Of course you could be really cheap and don't want to waste the ticket money.
Either way, really.
So you aren't interested in the time travel Nolan invented in Tenet?
shareI don't even remember whether I finished the movie, certainly do not remember any time travel.
If there was anything remotely interesting in it, I think I would remember more than that.
The only thing I remember is that I've seen it and the new batman was in it, that is how little I remember.
Why the hell you answer if you have nothing to offer here then?
And of course there was time travel, that was the whole point of the movie, that Nolan invented a new kind of time travel
I thought I was making fun of you.
You know it is not fun at all if I make fun of you and you can't even tell.
So I am guessing you are one of those really cheap people.
So you aren't interested in this kind of time travel?
shareI am not interested in time travel period.
Time travel is always messy, in terms of logic.
Marvel's time line concept is the neatest I have seen, it is still problematic.
All other time travel involving going back in time, it is just illogical.
Well there are two types of time travel in fiction, determinista and multi dimensional ( andca third one which mixes elements from both). The most realistic is the multidimensional, as in a deterministic universes time travel really is illogical.
Tenet createsca new deterministic time travel where youdon't dissapear and appear in a pasta point of time, but is your body which travels backs at thexsame speed we "travel" forward in time
But you can see it will have the same problem.
Like what happens to your body? What about your memory? Can you time travel with things? Or do you have to be naked?
Let's say you bring back things before they are even created, what happens then? What happens if you go back to before you were even born?
It raises too many questions, questions can't be answered in a neat way. It has to be "This happens, because that is the setting" that kind of thing.
It is not a good excise of intelligence, most likely a waste of time, which you can't get back.
To begin with, do you understand the difference between deterministic and multi-dimensional time travel?
Of course, one is ordinary linear time travel, one is Marvel multiverse time travel.
But like what I said before it is really not something you should waste your time on, unless you are a physicist that is.
No. In the deterministic there is just one dimension, so every travel you make to the past or the future was already there and you change nothing. It destroys the notion or free will and even our concepts of past, future and present, because basically everything happens at the same time. It doesn't have much sense because in a deterministic universe there simply wouldn't be time travel, but it allows to create very funny movies, like Tenet, Timecrimes or Harry Potter and the Prisioner of Azkaban.
In the multidimensional time travel when you travel past in time you aren't going to the past of your dimension/temporal line, but to other dimension (although identical to your dimension), so you can change whatever you want because you aren't in the same temporal line you started with, and it allows to create other fun movies like Terminator Genysys (just this of the Terminator saga) or the spanish Mirage. This has more scientific sense than the deterministic one.
Then there are movies which mixes elements from both, like Back to the future or Looper, but for me these are just less serious and interesting than the others.
It's a terrible movie. And Nolan is only "great" at visuals. He should stick to commercials and music videos.
shareThe fact you don't understand it doesn't mean it's terrible. And no, Nolan is the only director making blockbusters with intellectual contents right now, and God bless him for that.
shareThere's nothing "intellectual" about Nolan's movies. Don't confuse complicatedness with complexity.
shareYou are wrong, they talk about metaphysicial aspects of reality (principally his metaphysical tr¡ilogy, Inception, Interstellar and Tenet) through blockbusters structure, which has a lot of merit itself. Other thing is you aren't interested in the themes thay talk about.
shareAnd you seem easily impressed by metaphysical jargon. No offense, how old are you? Simply using intellectual language doesn't make a story more 'complex.' True complexity is determined by psychological criteria, character arcs, dynamics of relationships. None of Nolan's movies succeed in this regard. The plot of Interstellar is a convoluted, implausible mess. The actual story is cheesy and sentimental. Nolan simulates complexity. His films are intellectualistic, not intellectual. He is the Jordan Peterson of filmmakers.
shareWhy is a convoluted Mess? He succeds in explaining complex concepts through a blockbuster structure, no one in Hollywood does that.
For good sake, he invents a new kind of time travel in Tenet, even if the characters aren't good just for that the film deserves a very special recognition.
Complexity of what? Astrophysics, black holes? Sure, those are very complex scientific issues. Just like the calculation of an aluminum car body for high-speed tilting trains. If someone were to make a movie about this theme, would you consider it a complex movie? Probably not, more like an instructional or educational film. As I said, complexity in a film arises from its interpersonal relationships. And here Nolan fails regularly. But I am willing to give him special recognition for his visulals.
shareYes, talking about complex issues in an entertaining way has a very special merit tbat no one more achieves now.
Not every film is about personal relationships, his best work in this way is The Dark Knight.